Sure, but that's their fault for applying their own scale improperly.
People seem to be misunderstanding me. Something can be enjoyable and mediocre (or even bad) at the same time. Like fast food or boring sex.
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Bleeding Edge Review Thread
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Sure, but that's their fault for applying their own scale improperly.
People seem to be misunderstanding me. Something can be enjoyable and mediocre (or even bad) at the same time. Like fast food or boring sex.
In The Netherlands and it seems pretty normal to me. A 7 is considered as good here. Almost no one gets a 9 or a 10.
Mediocre means moderate quality/ not very good
A mediocre donut doesn't taste good. It may satisfy hunger but it isn't good. So it's not enjoyable. If I enjoy crackdown 3, to me it's not mediocre even tho it may be for tou. Average is the word you probably are looking for.
I like MS' focus on MP games but the quality just hasn't been there for me to be tempted this gen. This is just another example of "what could have been" sadly.
This is more a side project that came with the Ninja Theory acquisition buy tho.
That's if the 10 point scale is for AAA only maybe.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
Bleeding Edge has a good foundation but doesn't have enough content right now in my opinion. Anthem had a bad foundation and is in the process of completely ripping out the foundation in favor of a new one.
That's not what mediocre means.
You're mistaking it for a statistical average. Which is completely different.
That's not the point.
The point is you can't be sure of what post launch will be, no matter what the foundations are.
You sure you're not confusing average with mediocre?
The quality bar for AAA games these days is high, so it makes sense the average game is good.
Depends on your school scale. If it's a 10 point scale yes it's a C- if it's a 7 point scale it's a D- borderline F.
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This is still blatant and uninformed trolling. I won't really waste my time arguing with you, but two weeks ago Xbox had a 90 metacritic game, if that's your thing.
Feels like alot of the score term confusion is from people thinking mediocre = average. That's not the case, "mediocre" is 1 step down from "average", just as "good" is 1 step up from "average". However, I will say that a 7/10 game isn't "good" by critical consensus. The majority of games score in the 7 range and if a game falls into that, it's no more special than most games critically. Seems perfectly apt to call them "average" games at that point, objectively speaking.
Of course, critical scores aren't be-all-end-all to user enjoyment. It's a metric you can choose to follow or not. Ultimately you have to conduct your own research and see if a game appeals to you subjectively, as that's where your personal enjoyment is going to be.
Of course, critical scores aren't be-all-end-all to user enjoyment. It's a metric you can choose to follow or not. Ultimately you have to conduct your own research and see if a game appeals to you subjectively, as that's where your personal enjoyment is going to be.
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Clearly you don't. Tameem Antoinades has always said the studio was based upon storytelling. They put everything into narrative and build gameplay around that.
Are you going to tell me Heavenly Sword, Enslaved, DmC, Hellblade are of the same cloth as Bleeding Edge.
People here are way too sensitive. What I'm saying isn't baseless at all. Accept the facts.
Huh, weird. That's not what Rahni Tucker, the combat director on DMC and director of Bleeding Edge says at all (Source)
Also, about this not being really based around storytelling
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I guess you're just not as well informed as you thought you were? Because the facts are clearly different from what you imagined.
Won't waste my time with you either.
Ori does look great. But the releases are few and far between.
Yeah I agree with this. But MS should have the foresight to actually delay a game and let devs spend more time getting it to a point where in its release state it is considered great. This is precisely what I mean. I expect them to have bought this team more time than they were given or had as an indie. It's the entire appeal of having backing like that. The reviews speak for themselves as well. The game is not cohesive or developed conceptually.
People get so touchy about this stuff. I really am looking at it from as objective a standpoint as possible but I am subjective obviously because I've seen what NT produces as a studio without serious backing. Hellblade was what they accomplished without MS. Bleeding Edge is probably their worst-reviewed console game in over a decade.
Don't care if mods want to call this trolling because it really isn't. Expressing an opinion of how something turned out isn't trolling. This is a review thread. If you only want people to agree that the game is good then start a dictatorship.
Been playing this game with some friends, it's not bad and it's enjoyable but needs more polish and less lag/FPS problems. Also needs more characters and game modes
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You are correct with what you are saying. But Tameem has been the main vision behind most of their titles, especially the acclaimed ones.
"Antoniades described creativity and narrative as "core" to the studio. The team emphasised story over gameplay, believing that if the game's story was well-written and intriguing, the quality of the gameplay would also improve since it would attract players to continue playing."
What you're saying is correct but all the scores point to is that said Director's vision was purely gameplay and reviews point to that direction as not solving the game's issues. Not saying it is their fault. But from a reception perspective it's nowhere near the level they typically produce. There's no point in making an excuse for that. Chilled if you like it though? But how much better could this game have been with an actual story? Seems like it was just something cheap to add to Game Pass in truth.
I think it's absolutely fine if you don't like it too, it has a lot of stuff that could and should get better, but much of what you are saying simply isn't true. Bleeding Edge has been in development for 4 years, way before any acquisition was even considered, so it was not though as a "cheap Game Pass title", and it is, in launch, an extremely polished game.
I don't think Tameem's shitty story for DmC was the reason for it's critical acclaim, btw. Tucker had way more influence in it being praised for me, but that's more subjective. The "facts", however, are not what you say they are, that's it.
You disliking or criticism the game isn't trolling, the other stuff you said is, because they aren't true.
No.
I don't really think representation has anything to do with art style and overall visual and tonal approach, which is what I was talking about. The oni mask design has been done in like three other character shooters already and the character designs feels like someone gave a designer Apex, Fortnite and Lawbreakers and said "Can you do something kinda like this?". It's not even explicitly bad or anything, it just looks exactly like what you would think one of these would look like. Nobody would be able to pick this out of a lineup. Anyway I don't mean to derail the thread, like I said, I just don't get "Wow this looks unique!" from screenshots and trailers. It's exactly what's popular right now and has been for years (wacky bordering-on-cartoon-violence with quippy one liners straight out of GOTG or Thor Ragnarok). This honestly feels like the modern version of brown / greyed out military shooter.
Very much so, it's incredibly unique, has a lot of personality, and doesn't at all look the way you describe.
Can you post some pictures and elaborate on this? I haven't played Lawbreakers but I've played some Fortnite and a lot of Apex Legends, and these games really don't seem similar to Bleeding Edge, and Fortnite & Apex have different art styles compared to each other as well.
(Haven't really played or cared about Lawbreakers so I can't comment on that)
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I enjoyed the beta. The little that I played anyway, and I really like the character designs.
Its nice to see a character based shooter like this where you can't look at it and go "that's the tracer one" "that's the widowmaker one" etc.
Its nice to see a character based shooter like this where you can't look at it and go "that's the tracer one" "that's the widowmaker one" etc.
I don't agree and I think I made it pretty clear why. It's not that they're the exact same games, it's just that visually and tonally I feel it's borderline indistinguishable from the rest. Nothing makes it stand out to me. You can point to a wacky design or two but even that feels like a trope at this point, looking at stuff like Battleborne designs and the fact that they put a fucking hamster in Overwatch. That and the dialogue is so played out it's (literally) not even funny.
Again, really don't want to muck up the thread with this stuff since there's people who genuinely enjoy it in here but if you don't see the similarities between the visuals and tone of those games then I'm afraid we're just going to have to disagree. I'm not saying those three games are exactly the same, but they're going for extremely similar looks and this game just looks like a synthesis of that. It's somewhere between Apex and Fornite in the cartoony-real sort of spectrum. The dialogue just adds to that. I don't really think we can go anywhere from "Wow, this game has the exact same visual and tonal identity as almost every other character shooter from the last three years" and "No, I don't think it does".
Don't really think I have anything else to add other than reiterating what I already said :)
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There are currently 870 people playing the game on Steam. I imagine the number is significantly higher on Xbox One. And it's all cross-play.
I'd probably give it a 6/10 from what I've played, but I use the full scale. So a "3 star" game if you like; competent and mildly enjoyable, but in no way essential and it won't keep me coming back.
They have been developing that game for about 2-3 years it was being shopped around when MS acquired them. It seemed to be a game they wanted to make to give them a proper change of pace and something new to try. Not every game is going to be the likes of Hellblade etc sometimes games are just going to be something fun they try and people should encourage that.
Games are in development. I am super glad they are not rushing. Ori is amazing as is but 2 months more of polish would have been icing.
Im sure hellblade 2 will be a highly reviewed game given the firsts reception.
What's sad is that Kung Fu Chaos isn't even one of the BC Xbox games.
An Xbox 1st Party Cult favorite being ignored by the BC team for what ever reason.
Glad gamepass will give it more exposure. Mid 70s from a small team with limited budget sounds about right.
I don't know what people want then. A few years ago it was "it's all brown-grey grimdark and bro shooters" and now multi-coloured and diverse is "bad" because it's "focus tested". Why is diversity/variety bad? The characters aren't even diverse for the sake of ticking boxes, they make thematical sense.
People aren't going to do so because it's just another game in a sea of other games, from the least popular of the Big 3 consoles, with plenty of more important things going on in the world, but I still think people should at least try and put this game in context; it's a side-project, made by a small team, that may only have actually seen the light of day because MS gave them a green light. Do you really think if PS had signed NT instead this game would've ever materialised? And to be clear, this isn't a slight on PS cause they just have a different thing going with their portfolio, but I think this type of smaller yet still polished game is perfect for Gamepass and could easily see it getting expanded on or a sequel down the line.
If the choice was between only Senua 2, or Senua 2 as well as smaller projects like this coming to a sub service no less, why not option 2?
If the choice was between only Senua 2, or Senua 2 as well as smaller projects like this coming to a sub service no less, why not option 2?
Bleeding Edge got greenlit four years ago. Not by MS, but by the higher ups of NT.
My point still stands, do you think if Sony had picked up NT this game would've come out? I don't think it would've.
Since all the people who work for sony praise their creative freedom, it would have.
unfortunately people can't play for fun any more, they need some artificial carrot to aim for.
thanks cod4.
I don't know, how many players did/does ReadySet Heroes have? Sony occasionally greenlights and publishes some smaller mediocre stuff too. Predator isn't looking too hot either and will face the same challenges next month as a multiplayer only game, albeit the IP itself might have a little pull there.
Third parties continue to dominate the multiplayer landscape, outside of Switch of course. And new challengers continue to struggle. Probably why Sony has been so focused on single player games this gen.
Sony releases smaller games with little fanfare all the time.
I still remember Drawn to Death, small title developed by Jaffe, his team, and Sony. It it was including on PS+ as well I believe. It was kinda fun, nifty art style, but some serious balance issues & needed more polish (I think I only played 3-4 matches tho, seemed easy to me)
Most likely, they aren't just going to cancel a game well in development, right after acquiring a studio just because it won't do all that well, be a terrible start to the relationship. Though they'd probably send it out to die in a similar way.
I played some of it and I kind of liked it, but what's up with the blurry textures? I played it on PC too, was the same as my Xbox One X.
Yeh but to be fair. Thats the bare minimum, anything under a 5.5 is a fail. 6-6.5 average. 7 is good but not great. 8+ is great and guarantees you entrance to medicine/dentistry/aeronautical engineering.