Nothing at all, 2020 was 100% normal for me, can't recall what you might be referring.
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Avengers Kang Dynasty (May 2025) and Avengers Secret Wars (November 2025) announced
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Hugh Jackman Logan shakes Tobey's hand.
$18 billion at box office confirmed.
Thunderbolts to end phase 5 feel appropriate, aren't Thunderbolts basically Avengers replacement in universe, lol
I guess my point is that Hickman's books work so well and are so great because Doom was a long established character and Hickman took him to new heights through a slow burn process that culminates for me in New Avengers #33, which establishes Doom as an incredible anti-hero. That's where I'm cautious, keeping my expectations in check and going in there with an open mind, because it would be mechanically unrealistic to expect a Secret Wars movie to have the same character impact.
My best guess is that here, it would work in reverse and serve first and foremost to establish Doom as a character, even if we see him a few times before that. And they could definitely use that one story beat from Shooter's SW to do that.
That's exactly what I'm getting at. I'm just saying that if they make God King Doom a reality in SW, they're likely going to pull on that thread from the original since Kang is going to be at the heart of everything. Plus, it would follow suit with Doom's typical motivations of wanting to ascend to godhood/supremacy if he defeats the MCU's biggest threat across two phases.
Marvel tends to mix elements from different versions and different storylines. Look no further than their other biggest event films, where they mixed Infinity Gauntlet with aspects of Infinity.
I get where you're coming from and like with anything from the MCU, expecting it to be a straight adaptation is treading in dangerous waters lol. I do hope they're able to cement the importance of characters like Doom and make them captivating to general audiences. Regardless, Marvel has an opportunity to set the stage and develop some of their biggest villains across more projects than they did with Thanos. I hope they're able to nail it.
Well Secret Wars still looks pretty early on in phase 6. So there's still plenty of time for Doom.
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I assumed Avengers were phase 6 as they weren't on the complete phase 5 chart. And 2025 would also make them the first year of phase 6
Honestly even without Covid being a factor it makes sense to take such a huge break between Avengers films. After Endgame, the Avengers don't even really exist anymore from an in-universe perspective and from a real-world perspective we needed a ton of breathing room between Endgame and the next Avengers film. Multiverse Saga is the post-Avengers MCU. Phases 7-9 will probably each have their own Avengers movies again, though probably with their own twists; Young Avengers, West Coast Avengers, etc before the culmination of whatever the third saga is.
Phase 6 will likely last a year and a half or two years(like Phase 5). Secret Wars in Nov 2025 is the final movie of Phase 6.
Kang Dynasty -> Secret War will absolutely start with the Kang finale and introduce Doom to the mix, likely similar to Secret Wars II in that Doom was already fucking around in various points in time without anyone knowing. Doom's gonna fight Kang in some way and take over as the main villain, and It's a perfect fit. I'm very hyped for what the MCU does with this stuff.
My only worries is that Time Runs Out won't get the time it deserves, but maybe they'll do it completely differently and it will play out during phase 6 overall.
My only worries is that Time Runs Out won't get the time it deserves, but maybe they'll do it completely differently and it will play out during phase 6 overall.
What was the point of a lot of phase 2-3 films?
They had nothing to do with infinity stones.
Never heard this take before lol.
They _literally_ just gave you "the point", and they already did with Loki and all following shows and movies. Multiversal war, Kang, Avengers Secret Wars. It's one thing to not be interested, but a whole other to still ride the "where is this even going i am so confused none of the movies do anything" train. It's just silly.
I mean...we've seen the multiverse explained, the start of the Thunderbolts, the first mutant and the fallout of the Infinity War mixed with some new origin movies. That was Phase 4. That's more than phase 1 and 2 combined.
Now this I can get behind. I can't deny that there was a lot of seeds to be planted for the future and they did that well enough. But beyond Loki I haven't been very interested in any multiverse stuff. I never have and never will. I dislike the concept and the possibilities it brings (retcons, fake out deaths, doubles,...). So I'm really not in for the ride.
Then again, I'll also be nearing 40 when Secret Wars rolls around and the MCU has been going for 15 years. I've seen its schtick and it was inevitable that it'd become 'not for me anymore' at some point.
I wouldn't be surprised if, while helping find a way to beat Kang, Doom finds a way to usurp Kang's power and becomes the main threat to the multiverse.
Only just realised but if Thunderbolts is the phase 5 capper then that makes phase 6 only 1 year long? Seems very short?
That's exactly it, and why I'll never enjoy multiverse stuff ever in any franchise (it can work in a one off movie or limited series though). Hate to be Mr "No Steaks!" but that's exactly what multiverse stuff feels like, when you can kill off a character but then just bring in another variant of them, the whole thing feels pointless and weightless to me. So for the MCU to invest what will ultimately be 3 whole phases and 5 years into it, is a huge miss for my personal tastes. On top of that, a number of the phase 4 entries have been big misses in a number of other areas too (some of them in fundemental filmmaking ways), which adds to my dismay.
Hickman Fantastic Four
Hickman Avengers
Hickmnan Secret Wars
is an opus - a work of art. i think you'll be good with just those.
As in he takes Dooms role in Secret Wars or that he is the same character as Doom?
Doubt the latter, especially since
Doom supposedly shows up in Wakanda Forever as the one who baits Namor into invading Wakanda
I'm suggesting both! have we heard any casting rumours for mcu doom?
So? There's plenty of options. To name just a few: Captain America (Sam Wilson), War Machine, She-Hulk, Hercules, Yelena, Monica Rambeau (whatever her superhero name may be)....
You're forgetting or ignoring everyone I mentioned above.
Sam Wilson is Cap now. War Machine exists and Ironheart is coming too. Clint met and blessed his replacement already, Kate Bishop. Thor still exists, even though he has a daughter. Even then, Hercules could fill the "demigod" role. Hulk's arm got better. Also, there is She-Hulk. Yelena exists. Vision 2 exists. Someone will likely take the BP mantle, since it's always been a mantle.
Thunderbolts works if it's a mission that Avengers wouldn't want to touch out of principle (and the person assembling them is even a little bit evil).
Rhodey was absolutely an Avenger, someone already posted the AoU scene.
I'd say Danvers was also an Avenger in Endgame. She checked in regularly, keeping the team apprised of cosmic goings-on and threats.
Enough Avengers are still around that, at least for the first one, it could be a reunion movie. Hawkeye, Hulk, Ant Man, Sam Cap, Bucky, War Machine, Thor, and Captain Marvel team up again and bring their new buddies along. It could be set up in post credits scenes (and Ant Man, Marvel, Hulk, and Cap all have new movies/shows coming up too). Add Strange in there too, who has a connection to Shang Chi, and there's also the Fury show which could end with him bringing the team back together.
Given all of the rumour mill churning going on I'm surprised no casting has been leaked on Doom
What's wrong with Jonathan Majors? He's awesome in everything I've seen him in so far.
I think it's well past the point of being approachable for new viewers, unless they aren't concerned with watching the entirety of the MCU's content.
I think the shows are entirely skippable. When Kang is introduced in the film universe for example, it will be as if it was for the first time for sure. Way more people watch the movies than the shows.
Especially shit like Ms Marvel which had very lower viewership numbers. You almost have to reboot her in film form if she is to become a notable part of the movies because the vast majority will be like...what?
Shows will just be some extra shades for the super fans that watched them. Passive references. Even the new captain America film, it helps to know the personal struggle for the new cap that it showed in the tv show but ultimately you don't have to.
I honestly wonder how kids view the MCU these days.
Back during phase one/two, my friends and I viewed every new Marvel movie as an absolutely huge event and looked forward to them for months prior to release. Now there's something new almost every week, and it feels like a lot of the "magic" around big releases is gone.
Kang yes because it will be a different version of Kang.
But otherwise I disagree. Wandavision is very important for Doctor Strange 2.
I don't expect any sort of reboot for Ms Marvel either. At this point I believe the thinking of Feige & Marvel is like "if you didn't watch it, you didn't watch it, oh well"