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Are you satisfied with Disney's handling of the Marvel franchise so far?
- Thread starter I Am Captain America
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I'm making an educated guess based on the quality of Marvel Television's output under Loeb, which was a completely separate and unrelated division to Feige's Marvel Studios. I love Squirrel Girl, but I did not need to see her done by the people who made Agents of SHIELD or the Netflix shows, all of which I found okay-to-unwatchable. New Warriors will be along eventually, handled by real pros this time.
It's gotten to the point that Peter mourns Tony Stark more than Uncle Ben. Something is seriously wrong with this picture.
Peter stanning a billionaire is gross af. (And before someone mentions the Osborns, how does that tend to work out for Peter?)
i don't doubt they would not do Squirrel Girl justice because it is a completely different tone, but saying SHIELD is "ok to unwatchable" is against the law in some countries.... it features some of the best seasons ever made by marvel and i am safe to say this without even finishing Falcon or watching loki
Yeah that was a dodged bullet. She will eventually show up. Now that everyone's getting a Disney+ show the chances are even greater.
Extremely happy. Though I don't give credit to Disney, I credit the individual writers, actors, directors and Feige for tying everything together while simultaneously ensuring each movie retains it's own identify and feeling- something that was sorely lacking during Phase 1 and some of Phase 2 imo.
The only thing I don't like thus far are the stupid reactionary idiots online, the absolute flood of alt-right trolling, the weird Tobey Maguire army, the dummies that continue to think that "all Marvel will only be G-rated because Disney" despite all evidence to the contrary.
The only thing I don't like thus far are the stupid reactionary idiots online, the absolute flood of alt-right trolling, the weird Tobey Maguire army, the dummies that continue to think that "all Marvel will only be G-rated because Disney" despite all evidence to the contrary.
Objectively? Sure, it's a juggernaut. They did an incredible job.
Personally, no, but I've been more of an X-Men and Spider-Man guy when it comes to Marvel and they've yet to do much with the former and I don't think they've done well with the latter.
Personally, no, but I've been more of an X-Men and Spider-Man guy when it comes to Marvel and they've yet to do much with the former and I don't think they've done well with the latter.
I give credit to Disney for being smart enough to leave it all to Marvel Studios to make creative decisions. Here's a blank check-go nuts.
We've seen Peter mourn Uncle Ben in two films already. If Marvel had done that you would have people complaining that they spent too much time on Uncle Ben. Peter stanning Tony makes perfect sense in the MCU and as Far From Home shows, he now knows Tony was far from perfect. I will never buy this narrative that Peter is Tony Jr or that they've erased Uncle Ben. He is still Peter Parker in all the ways that matter
No matter what complaints I may have with the Disney-ification of the MCU, I will forever be grateful that they got Ike Perlmutter out of the driver's seat and put Kevin Feige in charge.
Thanks to that move we get Black Panther, Shang Chi, Kamala Khan, America Chavez, etc. And we get to see a bit more of some of the many social issues that Marvel COMICS have looked at over the decades brought up.
Thanks to that move we get Black Panther, Shang Chi, Kamala Khan, America Chavez, etc. And we get to see a bit more of some of the many social issues that Marvel COMICS have looked at over the decades brought up.
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Into The Spider-Verse did a better job giving tribute to Uncle Ben than any MCU movie. This Peter also seems to have no money problems. And if you want to go into the supporting cast, we can, because they are unrecognizable.
This is a poor representation of Spider-Man and his world.
Tony Stark especially. Peter should be fighting the urge to punch Stark in the face every time they meet.
The MCU'a a pretty staggering achievement. Generally really good blockbusters pumped out at an incredible rate and faithful to its characters.
Disney knew they had a good thing going and when shit started getting awkward internally they just gave Feige all the power and moved out of his way. So I'd say they've handled it well.
Not to mention the D+ shows have started really strong. I have issues with parts of Wandavision but the concept and execution of the sitcom episodes was great. Falcon has started brilliantly.
On the Spider-Man topic I get why people don't like the Tony aspect of him. But it makes too much sense. Tony was the godfather of the whole MCU, he's the reason is took off and became what it is and turning Iron Man into a worldwide superstar is one of their crowning achievements. He's the lasting legacy of the Infinity Saga and it makes perfect sense for him to mentor Pete and for Pete to mourn him.
They're playing the long game with this Spider-Man. Locking him to Tony early made him almost irreversibly linked to the MCU and incredibly important to the universe. They've dealt with that relationship and his grief about it in his first two films. That's done. God knows how many films he has left to grow and explore other aspects of himself.
Nobody needed a third Uncle Ben death within 15 years or whatever.
Disney knew they had a good thing going and when shit started getting awkward internally they just gave Feige all the power and moved out of his way. So I'd say they've handled it well.
Not to mention the D+ shows have started really strong. I have issues with parts of Wandavision but the concept and execution of the sitcom episodes was great. Falcon has started brilliantly.
On the Spider-Man topic I get why people don't like the Tony aspect of him. But it makes too much sense. Tony was the godfather of the whole MCU, he's the reason is took off and became what it is and turning Iron Man into a worldwide superstar is one of their crowning achievements. He's the lasting legacy of the Infinity Saga and it makes perfect sense for him to mentor Pete and for Pete to mourn him.
They're playing the long game with this Spider-Man. Locking him to Tony early made him almost irreversibly linked to the MCU and incredibly important to the universe. They've dealt with that relationship and his grief about it in his first two films. That's done. God knows how many films he has left to grow and explore other aspects of himself.
Nobody needed a third Uncle Ben death within 15 years or whatever.
These movies aren't trying to give tribute to Uncle Ben. It should be understood.
We know he was a dumpster diver before Tony showed up. These are updated takes on the characters, calling them unrecognizable seems kinda disingenuous when they have been updated and diversified for a new audience and so that they aren't repeating the same dynamics we've already seen. It's only a poor representation if you think it has to be 1:1 faithful to the comics, which no MCU movie has been. Comic fans are usually more on board with adaptation changes but for some reason the MCU Spider-Man has some of y'all really tight. I hoped you said something when The Amazing Spider-Man films were trying to act like Peter's parents were ever important and implying he was destined to be Spider-Man, or when the Raimi films made his webs organic and yanked him right out of high school after an hour. Much more egregious choices than anything the MCU has done but yet, they are still enjoyable
It's honestly baffling.
More than my wildest dreams. When the X-Men come on the scene I might just fall over dead.
Spider-Man playing with other Marvel characters. Never in my life did I think I would see this
I can't even imagine going back in time and telling myself "in 2019 Iron Man will be bigger than Batman," I really can't
Spider-Man playing with other Marvel characters. Never in my life did I think I would see this
I can't even imagine going back in time and telling myself "in 2019 Iron Man will be bigger than Batman," I really can't
I'm not sure if Spider-Man in Civil War was the best move for Civil War, but it was definitely the best move for Spider-Man for this reason.
Nope. Much prefer Fox Logan & Deadpool to anything that's come out of the MCU.
Also like to see a Marvel movie without the tie ins, these stories are shoehorned with an eventual team or the backdrop of another hero's past event. Would be nice to get a contained trilogy without anyone else.
Also like to see a Marvel movie without the tie ins, these stories are shoehorned with an eventual team or the backdrop of another hero's past event. Would be nice to get a contained trilogy without anyone else.
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I did. I have frequently said how bad The Amazing Spider-Man films are. Not just as Spider-Man films, but as films in general.
I don't need a 1:1 comic adaptation, but I want a more accurate adaptation than one that takes Miles Morales' best friend, renames him after the fake Hobgoblin, and makes him Peter's BFF. There are ton of characters and stories that we have never seen in a Spider-Man film despite there being so many of them.
That witches also shoot laser beams in the MCU is so funny lol
I can see them introducing Squirrel Girl in the Miss Marvel show.
I've loved what they did with iron man 1 - Endgame. Not interested in their future stuff like Eternals (even though I'm a big fan of Kirby creations I never could get into them) Ms. Marvel, Shang-Chi, Love and Thunder or young avengers.
I'm currently enjoying falcon and winter solider and enjoyed WandaVision. Looking forward to Dr. Strange and Spider-Man 3. Will probably tap out after that and come back for the F4 and X-men.
I'm currently enjoying falcon and winter solider and enjoyed WandaVision. Looking forward to Dr. Strange and Spider-Man 3. Will probably tap out after that and come back for the F4 and X-men.
Vulture, Mysterio, Tinkerer, having him actually Spider-Man in Queens, going to Europe, these movies are very much doing new things with the character that hasn't been done yet. You say you don't want a 1:1 adaptation but that what it sounds like to me. On the subject of Ned being like Ganke, Peter didn't know Ned in high school in the comics so that period in Ned's life is pretty much open to interpretation. Other than being on the heavier side and into LEGOs, that's all the similarities those two share and (that's pretty much all there is to Ganke's character rn anyway) I feel like even then it's overblown. He's also dated Betty in Far From Home, which is something accurate to the comics but people never want to bring up
It's not some poor representation, it's just different
Like 1 in 5 superhero movies was decent-to-good before Marvel stepped in. You'd go through an X-Men 3, Daredevil, Green Lantern, and Fantastic Four before you got to a Spider-Man 2.
They've brought the batting average way, way up.
They've brought the batting average way, way up.
I love it, though I would like to see them take some more risks thematically. When it's a big megacorporation focussed on hitting the widest demographics possible, my expectations are pretty low on that front though.
Also the cg is sometimes inexcusably awful considering how big the budget is for these films lol.
Also the cg is sometimes inexcusably awful considering how big the budget is for these films lol.
Yeah, sure. When the announcement came out that they were going to buy Marvel, everyone panicked and swore up and down that they would kill it for good with strict rated G material. I think they've done a good job thus far, but things can always dip and turn sour.
They have done a good job letting Marvel be Marvel. I am also glad they can read the populous and are allowing them to start addressing things like Racism in America and how even a hero they are cheering one minute is still a worthless thug to them the next when the suit is off. I suspect there is still a lot that Disney will block due to the Chinese Box office though
The "Ned" character in the MCU is why the Spider-Verse team massively pulled away from Ganke in their film. The MCU decisions are impacting other, better, Spidey movies. Randy Robertson still has yet to appear in a Spider-Man film if they didn't want to do Harry Osborn again.
Vulture and Mysterio were also massively retooled to the point that their motivations make them Iron Man villains instead of Spider-Man villains.
Also, their MJ reveal was definitely on the weak side of things. Instead of getting "face it, tiger" (which I think Zendaya would have fucking nailed and which has never been in a film), we get a more normal "quirky" love interest for the sake of a pointless surprise.
Despite all this, I don't think these are bad films like the Amazing films are. But I do think they are bad Spider-Man films. Because they don't feel like Spider-Man. They feel like an OC that borrows some of Spider-Man's iconography.
Marvel is competently bringing to the big screen characters and storylines I thought would only exist in my imagination. It's incredible and I'm trying not to take it for granted. The MCU is not above criticism, but it says something that I'm still consistently enjoying their output after 22 movies and I'm extremely excited to see how their TV shows improve, evolve over time, and integrate into a movie + TV shared universe. Meanwhile, other studio's superhero output is mixed, in my opinion.
And when it comes to characters like Spider-Man, who is my personal favorite, I'm just enjoying how they're adapting him to this world and shared universe. I've seen the poor, self-isolating Spider-Man who grieves his Uncle Ben over multiple movies. I'm totally fine with seeing a Spider-Man that exists alongside and works with characters like Iron Man, Dr. Strange, etc.
And when it comes to characters like Spider-Man, who is my personal favorite, I'm just enjoying how they're adapting him to this world and shared universe. I've seen the poor, self-isolating Spider-Man who grieves his Uncle Ben over multiple movies. I'm totally fine with seeing a Spider-Man that exists alongside and works with characters like Iron Man, Dr. Strange, etc.
My favorite thing in the world is the:
"Marvel so formulaic"
into
"Wheres my Uncle Ben formula!"
In any case its just a side effect of the success anyway. It's 'their' formula, and no one else is doing it right. Not even close, despite many copies. Im happy that it seems to have such a long runway ahead of it. Something like Xmen being able to bring in many lesser known mutants is going to benefit tremendously from it.
Wait do you mean comics?
Because the X-Men are in the best place they've been in since Claremont right now in the comics
And like they just got the movie rights for the X-Men 18 months ago or whatever sooo dunno how can you can say this means Disney hasn't handled Marvel well
Overall, yes. The movies and shows feel vanilla and samey to some extent. But they're the only ones to pull off a shared cinematic universe successfully despite being the first to try it, so I give them a ton of credit for that.
Pretty sure that's the fault of Sony. I remember hearing they wanted RDJ when the original plan was for Nick Fury.
Yea, definitely. They paid four cool billion in cash for all of those properties, but people called them crazy since they didn't have movie rights to then most popular franchises. So Feige cracked his knuckles and turned the Avengers, then characters only people who routinely stepped into a comics shop really knew about, into household names bringing in nearly-to-a billion dollars a film. All while Disney pretty much left the comics editorials alone and negotiated to get Peter Parker into their sandbox.
Disney done good. Real good.
Disney done good. Real good.
Yup. More than happy. And since I don't give a crap about R Ratings or the like, I suspect I will continue to be.
Disney+ has really given them room to do whatever needs to be done with these properties.
Need a quirky sitcom reality to deal with Wanda's grief? Check.
Want to tell a six part miniseries about Sam coming to terms that he was the right person to wield the shield? (cut the) Check.
Want to introduce Bruce's cousin who will also be a Hulk? Check.
Introduce the group that makes sure the time lines stay correct while also keeping fan favorite Loki around? Check.
Etc
Etc
Etc
The future for Marvel properties is so bright you gotta wear shades.
Also Disney has the balls to actually make this poster before the movie even came out:
Disney+ has really given them room to do whatever needs to be done with these properties.
Need a quirky sitcom reality to deal with Wanda's grief? Check.
Want to tell a six part miniseries about Sam coming to terms that he was the right person to wield the shield? (cut the) Check.
Want to introduce Bruce's cousin who will also be a Hulk? Check.
Introduce the group that makes sure the time lines stay correct while also keeping fan favorite Loki around? Check.
Etc
Etc
Etc
The future for Marvel properties is so bright you gotta wear shades.
Also Disney has the balls to actually make this poster before the movie even came out:
Agreed. They really had to work hard to make C-tier characters popular. So we got the fairly good lead up to Avengers. That's where Feige really shined.
Ironically, I'm less enthusiastic now that they have almost all of their properties back. I'm dreading whenever they bring in mutants.
I'm also less interested after the end of the Infinity Saga. Cap and Iron Man were two of my faves in the MCU. I'm happy with the way their stories ended and understand why Evans and RDJ left the series.
Early MCU had that underdog appeal that no longer applies after Disney bought them. I really dislike Disney. I still have a ton of respect for Feige, though.
I'm ambivalent about the MCU from here on but I also got 10+ years of good films and characters I love. I'm sad about how things are changing, but it's inevitable that things change.
TL;DR I'm not excited for where the MCU is going and I dislike Disney but I love the Infinity Saga and am just glad I was able to experience that. There really isn't anything else like the MCU in film.
hard disagree. Gave us a totally unique spider-man story compared to a rehash of the others.
the point its that he is learning to become strong willed/independent. Heck that was what the last one was about
Would like to see some R-Rated content for the MCU.
I know Deadpool is coming, but I'm hoping will get more than just Deadpool.
Also, MCU still kinda suffers from poorly placed comedic moments from time to time.
I would be curious to see if they could ever make a MCU movie or show that doesn't rely on those type of emotional beats, and still do well.
I know Deadpool is coming, but I'm hoping will get more than just Deadpool.
Also, MCU still kinda suffers from poorly placed comedic moments from time to time.
I would be curious to see if they could ever make a MCU movie or show that doesn't rely on those type of emotional beats, and still do well.
I haven't picked up a Marvel comic since I fell off deadpool sometime in the mid 2010s. I have family who are deep into comics and they haven't raved about anything, so I haven't bothered to pick anything up.
The MCU is ok, I had a good time watching Ragnarok, GOTG, Ant-man 1 and the Infinity films.
I didn't like Wandavision or Falcon. I am yet to try Helstrom, I might watch an episode tonight.
However I assume I'm gonna hate it because everything I've heard makes it sound nothing like the character in the comics and I quite liked the 90s reboot.
The MCU is ok, I had a good time watching Ragnarok, GOTG, Ant-man 1 and the Infinity films.
I didn't like Wandavision or Falcon. I am yet to try Helstrom, I might watch an episode tonight.
However I assume I'm gonna hate it because everything I've heard makes it sound nothing like the character in the comics and I quite liked the 90s reboot.
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Into the Spider-Verse actually reused Cliff Robertson voice clips for Uncle Ben, and it is a much better film than either of the MCU Spider-Man films.
They co-exist, so if its what you want, you got it. I'm commenting only as far as what the thread is discussing. The MCU. I find the entire competitive nonsense between this comic movie universe and another a waste of time when we are getting served from every angle, from live action, to anime to games even (especially in the case of Spiderman). Even less reason to be upset about one of the many co-existing interpretations IMO.
Yeah this is missing. I wonder if they are capable of doing good Rated R content well. Blade is going to be the first I think after Deadpool? But deadpool is established, it being good is more on Ryan Reynolds than Disney more than likely.
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