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Are all gyros created equal?
- Thread starter Grifter
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I'm tempted to say no and vote for Switch based on vague feelings, however the quality of the gyro implementation also varies wildly between games, so its hard for me to separate which problems are gyro hardware based and which are software based.
100% thought this was about Greek sandwich meat.
The Switch has had the best integration I've seen, but I also haven't tried all available options.
The Switch has had the best integration I've seen, but I also haven't tried all available options.
The PlayStation gyroscopes are the best, especially the DualSense. The Switch's gyroscopes only poll at 60Hz, while the DualSense can poll at 250Hz (& possibly 500Hz going by some readings) before overclocking.
The Switch's gyroscope is technologically inferior to what Sony has. A 60Hz polling rate is fine for the Switch, but it's not the best choice for PC gyro usage competitively. I'm honestly not sure why everyone is voting Switch.
That's more of implementation, not the actual gyroscope hardware.
It's due to software. Splatoon & BotW are some of the only AAA games I've seen where gyro aiming is treated as the default.
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In software, yeah, you have a point. But I got the impression from the OP that they meant hardware, where Sony has Nintendo beat.
Pork gyros are the OG, beef/lamb pressed meat is garbage that nobody in Greece eats.
Now that that's out of the way, I remember the PlayStation Move gyros working really well.
Now that that's out of the way, I remember the PlayStation Move gyros working really well.
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The DualShock 4 polls at 60Hz via Bluetooth & 250Hz when wired.
Linus consulted JibbSmart (one of the top guys regarding gyro as well as the creator of flick stick) for the video.
PS4 and Switch Pro (including Power A controllers) feel basically identical to me and are both great. Steam controller is a little less sensitive but that can easily be compensated for. Joy-Con are also pretty good and being split controllers makes them feel the best but I haven't used them in a while cause all of mine have drift.
Well it depends if this is a HW or software thread. If this thread about HW, then that's not entirely accurate. That's the rate the controller reports readings. The sensors poll much higher
GitHub - dekuNukem/Nintendo_Switch_Reverse_Engineering: A look at inner workings of Joycon and Nintendo Switch
A look at inner workings of Joycon and Nintendo Switch - dekuNukem/Nintendo_Switch_Reverse_Engineering
github.com
GitHub - JibbSmart/JoyShockLibrary: Read DualSense, DualShock 4, JoyCon, and Pro Controller input on PC -- compiled for Windows, but code should work on other platforms.
Read DualSense, DualShock 4, JoyCon, and Pro Controller input on PC -- compiled for Windows, but code should work on other platforms. - JibbSmart/JoyShockLibrary
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But again, I don't know if OP meant to ask which actually has the best HW or which has the best...implementation for devs?
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Ugh, I would've watched that video in my queue already if he didn't use terrible titles (and thumbnails).
Splatoon is so much better than 2. I'll forever be confused how much time and effort they put into making it as good as it is in the first one. Yet 2 feels noticeably slower and not nearly as responsive. Really annoying...
It's weird because I feel like at times skyward sword feels like it has better gyro than breath of the wild, and I also think that Splatoon 1 has better gyro than Splatoon 2. So I don't know if the Wii u gamepad for example has better gyro than the switch pro controller/joy cons.
At the same time I'm guessing ring fit Adventure primarily relies on the gyro and it works pretty well for the most part. There's a discrepancy between the hardware and gyro implementation in games.
It's really good in Astros playroom though.
At the same time I'm guessing ring fit Adventure primarily relies on the gyro and it works pretty well for the most part. There's a discrepancy between the hardware and gyro implementation in games.
It's really good in Astros playroom though.
Supposedly Dualsense has the better sensor, but honestly I don't feel much difference playing on PC with the Pro Controller, DS4 or DS5.
I don't know if we ever found out how differently the gamepad and joycon/ProCon sensors behave, but since the gamepad is larger, your muscle memory can make playing with other controllers feel off.
I don't know if we ever found out how differently the gamepad and joycon/ProCon sensors behave, but since the gamepad is larger, your muscle memory can make playing with other controllers feel off.
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I imagine any hardware differences would be too small to notice but software differences can be very noticeable. Form factors play a role but I don't know if there are any I would say that are better or worse than others, just different. For example I prefer using the Switch pro controller for games with gyro controls now but early in the Switch's life I played a lot with split joy cons. Once I got the pro controller it took a while to get as comfortable with it as I was with the split joycons
Splatoon 2 doubled the input lag on motion controls, along with introducing more input lag on everything and running multiplayer at a significantly lower tick rate. They never improved it after the game came out and it remains one of the biggest blemishes against the game.
I tried to look into this for a video and found what I think (based on teardowns, emulator github pages, and whatever random info I could find online) are the gyros used by the Dualshock 4, the Switch pro/joycon, and the Steam controller.
I have no idea how to interpret any of that data, but the Steam controller cursor was much less sensitive by default (using the same Steam config settings for all 3) and consistently performed a little worse for me in Aimlab than the DS4 or Switch Pro. The DS4 had the highest scores by a hair (Steam averaged 38,000, Switch Pro was 39,500 and DS4 was 40,000). It's hard to pin the difference on the sensors when it could also be the controller shape, weight and trigger pulls making the difference.
I don't think anyone has confirmed what the Dualsense is using yet but based on the ifixit teardown someone suggested the TDK ICM 40608:
Maybe some smart person with a math brain can say what the different numbers and squiggly shapes on these pages mean.
I have no idea how to interpret any of that data, but the Steam controller cursor was much less sensitive by default (using the same Steam config settings for all 3) and consistently performed a little worse for me in Aimlab than the DS4 or Switch Pro. The DS4 had the highest scores by a hair (Steam averaged 38,000, Switch Pro was 39,500 and DS4 was 40,000). It's hard to pin the difference on the sensors when it could also be the controller shape, weight and trigger pulls making the difference.
I don't think anyone has confirmed what the Dualsense is using yet but based on the ifixit teardown someone suggested the TDK ICM 40608:
Maybe some smart person with a math brain can say what the different numbers and squiggly shapes on these pages mean.
There was actually specs released on them iirc. I forgot the video where the person looked into them, but apparently at the time DS4 had better response, Steam Controller's was pretty low end. This was before Dual Sense.
I think it was probably a JibbSmart video (Flick Stick, JoyShockMapper creator). They post here sometimes so maybe this thread will get their attention and bring the stats here.
I think it was probably a JibbSmart video (Flick Stick, JoyShockMapper creator). They post here sometimes so maybe this thread will get their attention and bring the stats here.
250Hz wired, but I got weird readings like 500Hz for wireless. Perhaps the older Bluetooth standard was a bottleneck for the DS4.
It's actually one of the worst. It may do well, but it has a bad drifting problem.
Hah I do that too, avoid his videos because of the thumbnails and click bait titles. He mentioned he has to do them, they do much better to draw in clicks. The colorful and meme looking thumbnails draw the eye. They did a lot of research on this.
The dual sense and ds4 have the best gyro which makes the lack of support on their native platforms even more hilarious.
One of the worst things ever conceived by man. It tastes like how air freshener smells, just weird and gross.
My first impressions with the Switch's gyro was in BOTW, and wow, was that shrine awful. I figured it was mostly a tech issue with the joy con's gyro
I'm not sure why you assumed that. It was an issue of the gyro shrines sucking
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Cool, which are you preferring to use now?
I did just install DS4W and see that I get a choice up to 1000hz but it may just put all the choices in the UI.
DualSense for sure. As for you, that may just be the settings. But it wouldn't surprise me if the Pro Controller could also be overclocked.
