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Anti-Feminist movement in Korea has picked up significant support stemming from, among other things, women mocking men with the š¤ emoji.
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Lol. You're telling me a minority literally being killed by their opppressors had some clap backs based on the same nonsense they are being oppressed for (because its not women who made up the small penis is less masculine or any other "im more man than u, bro" nonsense) to the point they were throwing bows in bars?
I love it.
Also, I need to push back at how body-shaming and toxicity is always wrong. The women were forced into radical action because "talking" obviously didn't work, its not as if emoji's existed for decades on decades. You have entrenched misogyny that wasn't being solved by reaching out, I can't get mad at them for going a more "radical" route. And it's honestly these pushbacks are weak-sauce and not that radical, "reading a book" on basic empowerment and trading insults at hateful protestors isn't like The Weather Underground.
So like is this their Ice T-Cop Killer?
If it wasn't for those ladies brave pushbacks, the conversations would not be being had, news-media wouldn't be focusing on it, etc. Let em rock, and im praying for em.
I love it.
Also, I need to push back at how body-shaming and toxicity is always wrong. The women were forced into radical action because "talking" obviously didn't work, its not as if emoji's existed for decades on decades. You have entrenched misogyny that wasn't being solved by reaching out, I can't get mad at them for going a more "radical" route. And it's honestly these pushbacks are weak-sauce and not that radical, "reading a book" on basic empowerment and trading insults at hateful protestors isn't like The Weather Underground.
So like is this their Ice T-Cop Killer?
If it wasn't for those ladies brave pushbacks, the conversations would not be being had, news-media wouldn't be focusing on it, etc. Let em rock, and im praying for em.
You need to go back to 90's-era shit where for a brief period of time this was one of the most popular songs
I recently read Kim Jiyoung, Born 1982, and it's an eye opening book about sexism in South Korea. The fact that a man could feel victimized is absolutely incredible.
User Banned (2 weeks): Concern trolling about misogyny
Likely.
No one should be tone policing the women using this emoji and gestures. Women are being oppressed and decided to fight back. Nothing wrong with that.
Saying "Please don't abuse, beat, or kill me" doesn't seem to be working.
Perhaps consider a better comparison when Japan literally used Korean women as sex slaves.
People have been banned for implying that Netanyahu's administration is comparable to Nazi Germany. Why is this different? It's the same historical context that makes this an extremely problematic comparison.
The fact that you think this is even an okay comparison or joke to make in light of what they're using that emoji for makes you part of the problem tbh.
Not to defend the misogynist culture in Korea, but one must put it under historical context to better understand this phenomenon. The militant conservative culture in Korea largely flourished during the Korean War and beyond (with decades of dictatorships and coups). And Korea has a complicated history with the US. On the one hand, the US prevented SK from falling to the hated Communists in the North (and just like the US during the Cold War, the SK culture became reactionary to any left leaning ideology.) But on the other hand, due to war time poverty, many SK women turned to prostitution with American GIs as their main clienteles. Before the American Military Government handed power back to SK regime, White Americans were simultaneously saviors and occupiers, which put the already fragile national image under stress.
United States military and prostitution in South Korea - Wikipedia
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in South Korea? yes.
One of the highest pay gaps at .55 for every dollar.
earned income is .476
barely more than 10% of all managers, owners, and lawyers.
Economically, socially they are forced into situations that are far from equal compared to their male counterparts.
There's a reason why women have had to resort to this, it's like you're willfully ignoring the background history leading up to this moment with the facts and misogynist culture in South Korea. Respectability politics is nonsense. Feminism is never acceptable no matter how polite to misogynists. You're just protest policing and telling women to watch their language if they want more support, and blaming their way of protest for the misogyny instead of focusing on the men.
Some people are so absolutist in their morals they end up looking like fools. No thought or nuance at all in their stance.
Any change to the status quo feels like an existential attack to some people
I don't think it's possibly true either. I've spent a number of years in Korea and and sometimes go to the public baths to relax with teammates after a soccer game. In a public bathhouse you see a lot of penises even if you're not trying to look. Like anywhere else in the world some dudes are well-hung and others aren't. And I don't think it's selection bias. Just about everyone goes to the bathhouses here and nudity - at least sex-segregated nudity - is not as big of a deal as it is in the States.
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Update: After review it appears that this thread has not been generating good discussion and for that reason it will remain locked. Sexism in Korea is a serious problem that should not be dismissed or excused. At the same time, there is a world of difference between Korean women using that emoji in this context to protest sexism, and westerners who are not Korean using it to stereotype Korean and Asian men.
Update: After review it appears that this thread has not been generating good discussion and for that reason it will remain locked. Sexism in Korea is a serious problem that should not be dismissed or excused. At the same time, there is a world of difference between Korean women using that emoji in this context to protest sexism, and westerners who are not Korean using it to stereotype Korean and Asian men.
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