You have to take into consideration how it got there.
It is similar to how a game can sell several millions but still be deemed an underperformance.
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Analyst Daniel Ahmad: Switch in 34 months estimated to have shipped more consoles than Xbox One in 74 months
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It is similar to how a game can sell several millions but still be deemed an underperformance.
-that's not true
-no according to Matt Xbox was/still never profitable to them so they have to find new ways
-we don't know sbout that yet (could be/couldn't)
-maybe i find myself liking Sub more and more since i can play more games (My budget for games was really one old game evey year and now around 50$ for the whole year.... so sub is the future for me
Looks like Microsoft will be forced to do a press event before e3 in order to change narrative.
Edit: ahhhh i see the people who still think console sales matter next gen when everything will also be sold on pc and playable on phones have arrived. Joy
Edit: ahhhh i see the people who still think console sales matter next gen when everything will also be sold on pc and playable on phones have arrived. Joy
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Some countries are not so bad like in UK, great in Mexico number 1 console sold, ok in Canada and ok in some latam market too like Brazil. And they are blown away by Sony in other country.
The PC has a few Sony exclusives from this generation on or coming to PC, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn, The Show... Rumors about Dreams coming to PC too. Sony has even published that smaller 'ready set heroes' on PC and that other Sony game Tiny Army or whatever it was called, came out on Switch.
Sony seems to be chasing the same strategy on PC as Nintendo is with mobile, the difference being that Nintendo is making separate smaller games for mobile.
the original switch was designed and marketed as a hybrid. It's both. It's a hybrid because Nintendo says it is, and because of common parlance.
Eh.....no. First the dockless Switch was available since May 2018, not 2017. And that sku is literally called "2nd unit set". It's targeting households who already own a Switch + dock and other accessories. Hence why it doesn't come with the Joy-con grip, dock, hdmi cable. An AC adapter is also NOT included. That alone says enough. The Switch is a through and through hybrid. The Switch Lite is the pure handheld.
This is literally what's included in the box:
The need to separate portables and home consoles have disappeared with the platform holders supporting both devices at one time anyways. The name is no longer a sales category anymore, Switch is a portable, even if you look at it as a home console device, you have to admit that it takes extra pieces of hardware to achieve this, it doesn't simply allow USB-C to HDMI, you need a separate, sometimes sold separately device, in order for it to work, and now a cheaper model has dropped that function all together to chase a lower price point.
The Switch is a portable, it can also be described as a hybrid or home console, but it is a device you can play on the go, and that feature dominates every design choice made by Nintendo, from the controllers that remove, to the screen that covers 40% of the body, to the large battery that takes up 40% of the inside space of the device.
It's all semantics and opinions here, but if you want to call the Switch a portable, you are 100% correct. If you want to call it a home console or a hybrid, well you'd only be mostly accurate.
Both stats is interpreted from this chart. Its not really clear but what is clear is handheld is favored over dock. I play sometimes when is docked too but majority of the time it used handheld. Still not a hybrid. It is clearly a portable console with a dock.
what everything will be sold on PC and phones? Just because Microsoft will do it.. does not mean that the others do the same.
Nintendo will not sell their games on PC or Phone, Phone market is already doing well for them with their Phone games. Sony we don't know .. we know they have PS Now, but that still needs consoles to sell. We have rumors saying 3 year old games will come to PC, that still changes nothing.. maybe it will change soon, but what we know now is that MS is the only out of the 3 that is betting big time on subs and other platforms to play their games on.
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Newer games like detroit become human came to PC sooner than that though, there also seems to be hints about PC getting Dreams eventually here too, also The Show is coming to PC too now. It's not just a couple games, but it isn't every game either... I think Sony is just using the PC market like Nintendo is trying to use the mobile market.
Tbh, I don't care what you call the Switch, that's whatever. Just wanted to point out how wrong you were about almost anything about the "2nd unit set". Date available wrong and usage also wrong. It's not for people who wants a "portable-only" Switch. Because that wouldn't even work, since it doesn't come with the AC adapter.
makes sense.. but this comment
does not fit into that .. and that was the comment I was responding to.
Yes, ZhugeEX told us that around 1 year ago. I don't wanna be wrong with that but is the number I have, 41M by January 2019. I hope I remember correctly.
If I'm wrong please someone correct me (could be 43M? I think it was 41M though)
portability is a requirement of it being a hybrid. Saying it is a hybrid console tells you everything about it and is consistent with marketing. A hybrid is a subset of portable by definition. So calling it that is correct but doesn't tell you as much as calling it a hybrid which is appropriate as well
The design is a handheld. The dock is a separate unit that connects it to the TV. They market it however they choose. Heck the WiiU is more of a hybrid in terms of design to me. Switch is a stand-alone portable console. The dock doesn't even need to exist as a USB C to HDMI cable should have worked but of course Nintendo does not allow that.
Being wrong on the internet is a capital offense sure, but being wrong about timing is really the only thing here imo. N3DS didn't come with the AC Adapter in the states either, were these suppose to only be sold to existing customers? USB-C is a very common cord, the lack of it's inclusion isn't a big deal.
Like I said, this is more about opinions than objective facts, over 10% of Switch units can't be described as hybrid consoles. All I said is that it's a portable that can be used as a home console, that is really not something bold or even outside of Nintendo's own marketing, as they show it as a portable in all their marketing and sometimes show it docked.
I agree, I'm not trying to say Sony is in trouble or that all their games are going PC, I'm just pointing out things that seem to distress a lot of people I guess. Sony is going to make some money on the PC market with their games, not a bad business and if it starts effecting the Playstation brand, they could always stop doing it.
46M is the number if the 41M was correct a year ago.
Shy of 50M by January 2021
The dock does need to exist because the switch can't draw enough power over USBC-HDMI to power docked mode. The dock is part of the original concept hand-in-glove. The switch requires 15v adaptor to output in docked mode I believe
The Dock isn't optional but part of the Switch SKU - that's like saying the PS4 isn't a console because the Dual Shock 4 is a separate unit, making it miss a controller.
Actually can't believe there are still people who argue against the fact that the Switch is both a handheld and a home console nearly three years after release.
There's even a dedicated handheld version of the Switch, you'd think some clarity would hit them at that point that original version having both traits differentiates things...
The Switch can be powered by the battery to reach docked mode, you can find proof of this all over the internet with hacked Switch units. Yes it would eventually die, but the real problem with USBC to HDMI is that Switch requires a decoder chip inside the dock, so it can't be done without a custom made cord anyways, and now Nintendo sells it without the ability to connect to the TV at all, meaning that the Switch is definitely a portable, and also a hybrid or a home console some of the time.
Not 8M WW, but 8M Rest of the World! Which it hasn't.
Generous aproximation would be 2M RotW, for a total of 5M WW
No mate, we are at 46M now.
They sold 3M in 2019 in the NPD.
The NPD is around 66-68% of total sales, that makes 5M total, Worldwide, in 2019.
So 41M +5M = 46M
I predict that, if they sold 5M in 2019, they won't sell more than 4M in 2020.
46M now, + 4M in 2020 = 50M January 2021
Edit: If the 41M was correct a year ago
I don't think I'm saying that it isn't a hybrid or a home console. I'm just saying it IS a portable, and at least sometimes it is also those other things.
Any console that barely manages to reach half of the userbase of the previous generation, is generally considered a failure.
Wait. Xbox One managed to break 50 million? Seriously?
Wow. Thought it MIGHT eek it's way to 50 by the end of the gen, but it might even clear it it seems. Not a bad turnaround from the disastrous launch.
Wow. Thought it MIGHT eek it's way to 50 by the end of the gen, but it might even clear it it seems. Not a bad turnaround from the disastrous launch.
That is not the argument being had. No one here is denying that it functions as a home console. From purely design, it is a handheld but it has a dock which makes it function as a home console. To me it is not a hybrid, Wii U is a hybrid.
its designed that way because it's intended to be a hybrid. It is marketed as a hybrid. Which is a subset of portable consoles. It's both
It's a portable that also functions as a home console. It has functions of both, so it's a hybrid. I don't get what's wrong or controversial about calling it such, or what's different about calling it a hybrid from saying it functions as both a handheld and home console...
I took a long hard look at XB exclusives before purchasing a PS4, all I can say is they seem to be boxing themselves into a particular selection of genres and not catering to those that Nintendo and Sony do, as far as variety on consoles Sony is killing them, and now that Nintendo have cracked the case with 3rd parties and Indies none of this is surprising.
In my very honest and simple opinion, not to dig at the Xbox because they are great consolse, but I think MS are still chasing hardware and not enough software, I couldn't find a single first-party system seller on the XB1 but found many on the PS4, I know I'm not representitive of every gamer, but I just found a lot of hardcore, masculine, shoot everything, look-how-bad-ass-i-am types of titles that simply don't appeal to me, I dunno, could be my age but I want substance in story and more emotion in those big first-party titles, and for me Nintendo & Sony have got that cracked.
In my very honest and simple opinion, not to dig at the Xbox because they are great consolse, but I think MS are still chasing hardware and not enough software, I couldn't find a single first-party system seller on the XB1 but found many on the PS4, I know I'm not representitive of every gamer, but I just found a lot of hardcore, masculine, shoot everything, look-how-bad-ass-i-am types of titles that simply don't appeal to me, I dunno, could be my age but I want substance in story and more emotion in those big first-party titles, and for me Nintendo & Sony have got that cracked.
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To put it more aptly: Wii U is far more deserving of the "home console you can take on the go" moniker than the Switch, precisely because the stationary TV experience isn't sacrificed for the inclusion of portability.
The Switch is the virtual inverse of the Wii U right down to it's design, which is why it always humored me when the anti-handheld crowd proclaimed the Switch was "everything the Wii U was supposed to be". Those words are (and still is) a tacit admission marketing was the only difference between their acceptance of the Switch vs. prior handhelds.
Before the Xbox one I would agree with this statement nowadays I would increasingly disagree. The stigma of the dude bro console really needs to die as it's not been true for nearly a decade.
I am of course referring to first party exclusives here. But willing to be proved wrong.