Great post. Sums up a lot of my feelings on the internet without being mean or nasty. That last sentence especially gets to the core of it.
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A singer by the name of Doja Cat has been revealed to have taken part in racist conversations online
- Thread starter Armadilo
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Self hate is always sad to see.
She seems to be having trouble dealing with the fact shes biracial and actively hates her black side.
Sad sad state of affairs.
Her current hit song was likely a rip.
And the person who produced it?
Dr Luke, the man who is currently still going through legal actions regarding the physical, emotional and sexual abuse of Kesha.
en.wikipedia.org
Shes in good company already.
As long as more shit keeps coming up im sure she will keep getting dragged for a little while....she doesnt have anywhere near the level of stans that other artists who have been dragged have.
If other artists start distancing themselves from her she going be to not really charting and being that artist you once knew.
Second album that no one talks about.
She doesnt exactly have a squad she can keep making tracks with to boost her popularity after this slup.
Atleast she got the Klan.
She seems to be having trouble dealing with the fact shes biracial and actively hates her black side.
Sad sad state of affairs.
Her current hit song was likely a rip.
And the person who produced it?
Dr Luke, the man who is currently still going through legal actions regarding the physical, emotional and sexual abuse of Kesha.
Kesha v. Dr. Luke - Wikipedia
As long as more shit keeps coming up im sure she will keep getting dragged for a little while....she doesnt have anywhere near the level of stans that other artists who have been dragged have.
If other artists start distancing themselves from her she going be to not really charting and being that artist you once knew.
Second album that no one talks about.
She doesnt exactly have a squad she can keep making tracks with to boost her popularity after this slup.
Atleast she got the Klan.
To be fair, she was only known as being a meme who dressed up as a cow and sexualized herself for a long time. She hasn't had any mainstream success until very recently.
hopefully for the remainder of her career but i know that's too much to ask for these days
And people wanna give her the benefit of the doubt, lol.
This is some hard-R shit. This is beyond Kanye shit. This is beyond Candace Owens shit.
This level of self-hatred is jaw-dropping. She can fuck off into the sun. Ain't no sympathy for someone turns on their own.
Hope her career falls off a cliff.
This is great.
Not at all to defend her, but I feel like she's taken her fame pretty seriously and stopped a lot of this stuff in recent years. I'm sure someone can expose where she's fucked up recently, but it is a good point worth considering. I approve strongly with call-out culture, but I do think more people have skeletons in their closet (either big or small) that are embedded in a lot of people's pasts. But hard not to see how often social media is also getting out of hand in terms of piling on much more innocuous things or people. I'm not counting Doja as part of this, she's had a sketchy history for yeears, lol, rather I've also had Hana Kimura's much sadder situation on my mind a lot too.
It's hard not to see why a counter-culture site like 4chan was so lucrative to a young and dumb and internet un-savvy generation.... But it's still surprisingly underappreciated for being a pretty serious problem that attracts a disturbing amount of people in a number of detrimental ways...
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Doja Cat: Reloaded
But this internet-bred tendency toward the offensive has gotten her in trouble in the past. While she never makes direct reference to it during our conversation, the topic of her controversial 2015 tweet, which directed a homophobic slur toward Tyler, the Creator and Earl Sweatshirt, looms...
www.papermag.com
welp (found on reddit)
Paper Magazine Interview, December 2019:
" [But Doja's omnivorous cultural appetite shouldn't come as any surprise, given her background as a suburban teen...]
But, Doja confesses, underlying all of her online activities was a near-"religious" obsession with a chatroom — which she declines to name or share any further details about (tinychat /redpill), citing the fact that "people are fucking crazy" and will try to hunt it down — that she still frequents to this day.
According to Doja, she'd skip school for days at a time, holed up in her bedroom and hanging in the chatroom. She'd spend endless amounts of time engaging in the "light-hearted play-fighting" that was the predominant mode of communication in the chat.
"People would pick on me and use horrible, horrible language, just the worst, and I just didn't understand why people were so crazy on there," Doja says. Rather than leaving the chat room, she instead developed a thick skin and eventually joined in on the fun via her own "offensive" rhetoric. "So I became the person who would make offensive jokes and do things sort of out of the box. "
Link: https://www.papermag.com/doja-cat-b...ew-2641564531.html?rebelltitem=3#rebelltitem3
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I've seen this behavior before in gaming communities. Both with chicks and dudes (excusing misogynist remarks/attitudes) and minorities and hegemony (excusing racism).
Honestly I think it's rooted out of insecurity and the subsequent desire for attention regardless of how it's obtained.
Ehh, I don't think it's beyond Candace Owens shit. Candace unfortunately popped in my feed a few weeks ago saying that the Arbery murder/lynching was justified and the time before was her saying 'Hitler had some points!' a year or two ago?
Even in racism, there's levels, LOL.
I get and even agree with the pathology. There are minorities who bask in being the example of 'one of the good ones' (hell, I remember reading a recent article about a female alt-right figurehead that realized, oh noes, that their sexist shit included her too). I think in the incel chat there's a white woman there too, I assume they are asking her to show her tits too.
But there's less racist ways to indulge in self-destructive behavior, nahmean? Her self-esteem issues are evident and explain it, but it doesn't really excuse.
Oh yeah definitely I didn't mean it in a way to excuse her behavior. It was more a commentary on how I've seen this behavior manifest before.
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Well Doja would be in those video chats showing her ass to them and doing anything that they wanted for their pleasure
Agreed. If you are yearning for acceptance and a group that normally would tell you to fuck off but gives you just a wee bit of conditional 'attention is seen as everything in the world.
Why was she uncancelled?
Did she finally show her tits so the internet forgave her?
Or did her apology for homophobic slurs pop up and people realized how sorry she was for saying those things.
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After all shes only said it 15 thousand times.....15.....thousand!
I think there's a lot to unpack here with Doja's particular case, because I think I read somewhere a while ago that although she is biracial, she was primarily raised by her white mother in a predominately white neighborhood. And, for clarity, I'm not condoning her self-hatred; rather, I find her rather pitiful and I am trying to make sense of why and how she ended up here. I understand there are concerns with pathologizing racism, but I think that it is helpful to understand why people in certain marginalized identities feel accepted in bigoted online spaces. I think it's different when the topic is more about self-hatred.
To be honest, I don't think we have the language to describe edgy online groups and the self-deprecating ironic humor often found in these spaces. This phenomenon is fairly new and we're only just now seeing the ramifications of what uninhibited internet freedom and exposure is doing to us.
This is actually really sad to me.
I'm not as big a fan of hers as friends of mine were, but I'm mixed and a decent bit of my family alienated themselves from other black people here with their elitism about their supposed connections to "sophisticated", wealthy, European culture. I went on 4chan and stuff growing up too, before it became really apparent and uncomfortable for me how people like me, my family, my friends were looked at by a lot of people there. A lot of this feels like looking at someone like myself, who instead of moving out of those communities filled with anti black/queer rhetoric, went in the opposite direction and doubled down on the idea of hateful shit just being a meaningless joke.
I hope she learns, but I'm not optimistic. It's a shame.
I'm not as big a fan of hers as friends of mine were, but I'm mixed and a decent bit of my family alienated themselves from other black people here with their elitism about their supposed connections to "sophisticated", wealthy, European culture. I went on 4chan and stuff growing up too, before it became really apparent and uncomfortable for me how people like me, my family, my friends were looked at by a lot of people there. A lot of this feels like looking at someone like myself, who instead of moving out of those communities filled with anti black/queer rhetoric, went in the opposite direction and doubled down on the idea of hateful shit just being a meaningless joke.
I hope she learns, but I'm not optimistic. It's a shame.
Why was she uncancelled?
Did she finally show her tits so the internet forgave her?
Or did her apology for homophobic slurs pop up and people realized how sorry she was for saying those things.
After all shes only said it 15 thousand times.....15.....thousand!
She sounds like my uncle used to talk about it back in the 90s.
i really don't think she has, she clearly still gets some type of fulfillment out of hanging in these spaces because she was caught red handed as recently as last week. she hasn't grown out of it at all
but otherwise i do agree with your post
I dont think I hate gay people.
Gay is okay.
Is such an odd way to end her not apology....cuz note she doesnt actually apologize she basically just says it was a long time ago get over it.
The internet forums/chatrooms clearly ruined her perception of reality.
Its actually kinda scary to think what people raised on the darker side of the internet are gonna be like as adults.
She is 24. In 2008, when Project Chanology got 4chan into the mainstream as a response to Scientology, she was 12.
As far as the idea of someone's gender, ethnicity, or background meaning they're held to a higher standard by default..... I have many pamphlets for you to read. Here's one.
Yeah, this really opens up a larger conversation about the effects of the internet. With a "little digging" people can find more progressive spaces and challenge their world view into being more tolerant, patient, and open-minded with other people's life experiences. This is demonstrated in this thread by some posters saying that they've changed for the better after finding this forum, and I know there are other progressive online spaces that engage in similar conversations that people have here.
But, I think it's important to also recognize that some people can also easily stumble upon spaces that are rife with self-deprecating, depressing, "ironic," edgy, straight-up hateful dialogues. It seems that people often forget that for every 4Chan and Reddit feed that hosts more progressive spaces, there is almost always a counter to that with giving edgy/hateful communities a space on the same platform. Since our sense of real-life and digital identities are slowly merging, it's going to be interesting to see more case studies of "regretful and pitiful" instances of online socialization like this happening in the future.
This video makes a lot more sense now that we know all this about her. Now I'm starting to wonder if she has a severe raceplay fetish.
i bet shes a gamer and/or 4channer, probably fell in with the wrong crowd early on and degraded from there
Depends on what we are talking about? Internalized bigotry? I think a big part of the successes of the patriarchy and white supremacy is how we are all effectively brainwashed and unwitting tools, POC included.
When I said Doja is old, I am saying she's clearly into adulthood. The trappings of being a woman of color she would have already run into, and would have had to make conscious decisions to say to herself
1)That's Racist!
2)Ehh, maybe I misheard them
3)Oh, they might have thought I was one of THOSE kinds of black woman, luckily I am not.
She's at the age where real life has already smacked her in the face, and thus those choices are a bit more concious and thoughtful then a 12 year old that only knows 7th grade.
But I can say that I too have my own biases. I fully admit I give redemption stories a side eye because often they are a tool of white supremacy (Look at him, he just hugged the Klan member and now he cured racism!) and ask for labor on the victim to help the oppressor feel better about themselves. And it's not like I don't have my own issues too; we all do. But this is so clearly past the weeds...I dunno. Points are made that they are so socialized in casual edgelord bigotry that they don't have a normal barometer for what is clearly hateful behavior. But that idea in itself is a slippery slope that white supremacy abuses.
Doja apologizing with all her heart.When she's alt-right but she thicc
I've seen this before. I grew up on gaming forums, like her.
Not to derail too much, but I have an experience that I always tell women/girls when I see this behavior.
I was involved in a WoW forum, and there were three chicks involved in this story - Chick 1, Chick 2, and Chick 3 (me). Chicktwo and I were both in the same faction and we were friends. Chickone hated us and aligned herself with a "troll" guild (a bunch of 4channers who said lots of misogynist, racist, and generally scummy shit) and loved shitting on us at any chance she could. Chicktwo and I weren't blameless by any means, but yeah Chickone reallllyyyy took every chance she could to call us a bunch of attentionwhores and fake gamer girls.
Then I woke up one morning and logged onto the forum only to see a huge thread in which the troll guild had posted a bunch of pictures of Chickone-- naked photos of her that they took when she cammed with them and was exposing herself and performing sexual acts with inanimate objects.
It was awful to see, honestly. And even though I always *knew* that being one of the good ones meant you were not immune, that you'd be thrown away, that they would turn on you once they decided your usefulness had been finished... I mean seeing it like that was a reminder that no matter HOW much you give up to try and be accepted, they will never truly accept you and you will get thrown under the bus.
I see people who think they are the exception and I always hope they are right. But, I don't believe that they are. Time and time again shows that this just isn't the case.
...It makes me really uncomfortable seeing all this and it reminds me that plenty of folks, including non-white/straight/cis people get trapped up in this...internet cesspool and get so lost you end up being okay with sharing space with those who'll call you nigger or tranny or whatever the fuck. Forget the stan shit or #cancelled shit, I hope she and everyone else like her can get a much needed internet detox and counseling. I dont find the need for treating mental issues and self hate like a sports match result but....whatever. Idk. To anyone reading this who are still one foot in this toxic swamp, I genuinely wish you good fortune and a space to reflect, recover and grow..
Back in the mid-2000s, there were a few women on the IGN boards (The Vestibule primarily) who purposefully made sex tapes and took nude pics for a few people on the board. This was knee deep in the "tits or gtfo" phenomenon. And of course, that shit was weaponized with the quickness. Women bounced with a quickness, some stuck around and flaunted it as a gimmick to save face, and so on.
These kinds of counter-productive things don't really surprise me. It's always disappointing, and given the popularity of the reddit/imageboard format over traditional forum structure, it's of course gotten worse, and it reaching this thread involving a pop artist who got fame with a 4chan-esque meme song really should've been a foregone conclusion.
I don't even know where I'm going with this post beyond agreeing with you by reciting another story, but I'm more disappointed with the Doja thing than I am angry. Maybe because I had my own phase of black self-hate thing going on as a teen thanks to the internet, but I digress.
"The freakiest thing about me? You don't wanna ask me, I'm cancelled"
Well she wasn't wrong lol
Yeah, I saw that too!
She definitely wasn't lying. It seems like she's either into raceplay, or she's ultra submissive. In the video she says she likes being stepped on, she likes being belittled, etc.
Lol I knew I was getting bad vibes from her from some interviews, and watching her snap on people while doing makeup. Also, the Minaj "used to be bi, now im just a hetero" or whatever made me remember how homophobic she was back when the moo song got popular. She adding on now and its just shameful. So many people were starting to turn to her rather than Lizzo because of body/sex positivity and her fair skin. its just disgusting.
My thoughts on this are a bit all over the place. All of it is disgusting. But it's also difficult for me not to think a large part of it comes from her own mental health problems and self-hatred.
The moment I saw her trollish Moo video and those anime girls I feared for this to happen. She probably grew up on these boards, you wouldn't know this kind of language any other way especially not as early as 2015. Sad to see this kind of internalized anti-blackness, but then again if the f-word didn't get her cancelled then this won't either. Her main audience is white anyway and I can only imagine that 4channers are dubbing her their new queen.