I'm a parent and I want to cut my child's ear lobes off. You're ok with that?
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A friend cut me off over my stance against circumcision
- Thread starter Liquid Plejades
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I'm a parent and I want to cut my child's ear lobes off. You're ok with that?
You literally have the power to prevent the very thing you're calling fucked up
I'm more so talking about long term ramifications.
But yes, both are fucked up procedures up at the time.
Yeah, not sure why everyone is going in on the 'uncircumcised looks bad' angle, when you have AAP saying the benefits outweigh the risks 🤷♂️
You should not make that decision for another human. How you can even think that is okay is honestly incredible.
Religious fanatism is always terrible. Still, sorry for your loss OP, it's always a bummer losing friends.
Also, i don't see why a child that doesn't have phimosis should be circumcised. There's no reason or evidence it's better at all. It's literally just going with a tradition that has no base, from an era before evidence based medicine.
Also, i don't see why a child that doesn't have phimosis should be circumcised. There's no reason or evidence it's better at all. It's literally just going with a tradition that has no base, from an era before evidence based medicine.
Those reasons are pretty rare. Physicians don't even propose the concept to the parents unless they specifically request it (religious) and above that, some physicians feels it's morally wrong to perform what amounts to pointless genital cosmetic surgery.
Parents make medical decisions for their children all the time, until they are 13. What are you on about?
If it's not necessary, it's just mutilation without consent.
Circumcising almost never has any medical justification
That's your opinion. It is a medically covered procedure that the benefits outweigh the risks
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There's clearly a point between "I must make this choice otherwise my child will suffer from a health perspective" and "I must cut off part of my child's dick or some women may find his dick less attractive later in life"
There's clearly a point between "I must make this choice otherwise my child will suffer from a health perspective" and "I must cut off part of my child's dick or some women may find his dick less attractive later in life"
I'm sorry but the way you came at me, it just seemed like I was your introduction to society or something.
True, the pediatrician didn't list 'kids dick looking good later in life' as one of the benefits of circumcision
You don't see any conflicts of interest? You can't imagine any kind of social biases or pressures at work there?
Ugggggh I know I'm doing the anecdotal thing which I hate but I know plenty of intact people ( I am as well) and not a one has ever had an issue. If my future children NEED it due to some unexpected medical necessity then ok, otherwise nope nope nope. They'll thank me one day for the extra sensitivity haha
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One organization from one country, and the sentence says " the benefits outweigh the risks but the benefits are not great enough to recommend routine circumcision in boys " so yes while it is saying it's positive it's not positive enough for normal everyday boy births so it's not the ringing endorsement some may think.
User warned: inflammatory point of comparison
Honestly that sounds something a anti-vaxxer would say 'you can't trust doctors to tell the truth about vaccines, it's a conflict of interest!'
It also says "the benefits are not great enough to recommend routine circumcision for all newborn boys".
And everyone outside the US is against it ...
Make whatever excuse you want for taking the decision away from another human.
It's mutilation and NOT your choice to make.
Well yeah, but this isn't Seattle area pediatricians. This is the main organization of pediatricians in the United States, and backed by the CDC as well, this isn't a rando small group of rogue pediatricians.
Did they list any benefits that couldn't be solved with basic hygiene?
It. Is. Not. Required.
In any way.
And it is not your choice to make for someone else.
That is it.
True which is why they don't recommend across the board, that the choice is the parents in discussion with their doctors.
Literally every other equivalent organization in the entire world disagrees.
Ok, and people are free to follow the recommendations of their countries organizations, never said otherwise
What they are saying is that the medical argument doesn't really hold up under scrutiny. Institutions either oppose it or refuse to recommend it.
...yup.
Use your heads for two seconds circumcision defenders. The entire point was never about medical reasons (which are extremely rare), it was simply to get boys to stop jerking off - due to the nerve damage that circumcision caused.
Those thread remind me of the ones about slapping kids. There will always be a hard defensive stance surrounding subject around kids, and wanting to defend both our own parents for the choices they did about us, and who we grew up to.
"I turned out great." Is what we would read in those topic, in this case the same thing happen....for penises.
"I turned out great." Is what we would read in those topic, in this case the same thing happen....for penises.
It isn't if someone does it for you without giving consent. This isn't equivalent to a vaccine or filling a cavity.
I'm assuming it wasn't your choice to get circumcised and you're making the choice for someone else and parading it as your choice when the rest of the world is AGAINST it and the country you live in is at best a wash on it being a good thing.
Yup, that statement basically says nebulous benefits and ends with parents choice which boils down to there is no reason to do it but they don't want to tell people in a country with majority circumcision that they didn't need to be and don't need to do it to their kids.
One of the more wishy washy statements of medical opinon to be taken seriously I have ever seen. (And I have done a lot of personal research into gender on the medical side for personal reasons so I have read some damn fishy scientific reasoning from those who don't want to see how science is telling them they are wrong).
As for how one or two statements from American orgs keep getting brought up it reminds me of the gif where the antivaxer is just numb through the 30 opposing reports, and then at the mention of the one report that supports it jumps up all animated like "I told you so"!!
Hey, I don't think you meant it this way, but phimosis is relatively common. I don't think it's cool to refer to it as a 'freak' circumstance.
In US? Doctors probably recommended it for a bunch of BS reasons, the real one being so they can charge for it.
These people using AAP and CDC argument is disingenuous. Your are purposely ignoring counties that are 90% uncircumcised are just as or even more healthier then your own in terms of sexual diseases. Your are choosing the CUT OFF a portion of tour child's gentiles because of "risks". Those "risks" which can be avoided by washing with SOAP AND WATER. No one in this thread has yet to refuted that taking proper care of you penis can avoid disease. An actual comparison is removing all of child's teeth and giving them fake ones because no matter what they will has cavities, can avoid diseases, and they will look better. That's what you sound like. People in this thread should understand that your parents circumcised you because they were circumcised, and so on and so on. The people who stared this practice for non religous or required reasons did it for a few dumb reasons. They didn't want to have awkward conversation with their son, to lazy to teach proper care, were uninformed, or listen to their priest that said masturbation is evil and the fight Satan you need a circumcision. Those that want to take away their child's choice are not parents, they are there child's bosses. They don't want to teach they child to properly take care of them selves.
American cultural attitudes to circumcision should REALLY be taken with a grain of salt. The popularity of the procedure in the US stemmed from the evangelical Christian-adjacent belief, propagated by people like Kellogg, that it is an effective countermeasure against masturbation.
I'm actually shocked at the US figures. Something like 90% of men are circumsised? What the fuck? Like I know there's religious history in all kinds of US culture but I thought it'd maybe be 50% or something. Feels like it's still the 1700's over there in a lot of ways.
Yes I mean the word as in an wholly unexpected occurrence that would require the surgery. We must be looking at different set of stats or definitions because from what I've read it's not super common or at least it most often resolves itself as a child ages.
But if the language is offensive ( and it's not like my phrasing is essential to the point I'm trying to make) then consider it edited.
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I didn't cut my kids, but those CDC and AAP studies are huge meta studies that do look at a lot of data from overseas.
The weirdest thing about all that research is that they really don't have good explanations for a lot of it. It's just stats. Being cut reduces your chance of HIV mostly. No one really knows why (but soap and water are unlikely to be the problem, and it probably has more to do with it being able to enter your bloodstream through the thin skin).
You don't know what you're talking about. But it still fine to not cut your kid. Both the CDC and AAP say it's up to you.
data from overseas.
It's only 90% for white people. The total in the us is closer to 60 (according to the AAP article). https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/3/e756
According to a quick google search up to 10% of children by age 3, and ~1% occurrence in men between ages 16 and 18. Mind you, this is just natural occurrences I believe. Injuries can cause it as well.
I'll never understand the drive to cut pieces off of a child without a clear reason for doing so.
I'm circumcised, why would I buy lotion?
Haven't bought any in 37 years...as far as being related to circumcision.
Good lord why did I read through this entire thread? People are crazy.
Genital mutilation is not necessary for an infant. It doesn't make it ok if they won't remember the specific event, wtf
Hygiene reasons are bogus, you're being lied to.
The rest of the world already knows this. Stop spreading this shit on the internet.
People in this very thread have admitted to justifying cutting up their child for aesthetic reasons based on the opinions and/or sexual preferences of friends.
"hey how to you think my child's penis should look?"
Holy shit.
Genital mutilation is not necessary for an infant. It doesn't make it ok if they won't remember the specific event, wtf
Hygiene reasons are bogus, you're being lied to.
The rest of the world already knows this. Stop spreading this shit on the internet.
People in this very thread have admitted to justifying cutting up their child for aesthetic reasons based on the opinions and/or sexual preferences of friends.
"hey how to you think my child's penis should look?"
Holy shit.