Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)

Damian Mahadevan · Nov 28, 2017

psychowave said:
just for the record your boob can't jiggle up and down from turning to the left. Also, boob jiggling is uncomfortable and sometimes even painful so all your favorite porn actresses are facing severe discomfort while you fap to them.

this has been a PSA

That wasnt a up an down motion on the boobs on Pyra, the impact is to the bottom left, the motion you see is her recovering from the impact. I would assume that the outfit reduces the jiggle here but I dont know for sure. As for porn, I dont actually fap to them when they jiggle, I only watched a few seconds of it because I am curious. But thanks for the info, I didnt know that.

Deleted member 7130 · Nov 28, 2017

Good grief.
Personal "scientific" porn study getting rolled out now.

grimybrit · Nov 28, 2017

What about people who beat their own?

Xaszatm · Nov 28, 2017

Well, speaking of Xenoblade Chronicles 2, that new blade really sure is something. And by something I mean utterly facepalming.

Well, I can't wait for the "what do you have against women with big breasts" thing to start cropping up again...

Crossing Eden · Nov 28, 2017

Damian Mahadevan said:
Well, at least I made you laugh. I am genuinely curious as to how you would know, I dont have a huge dick, I dont know how they work or if they work similarly to mine.

RockmanBN · Nov 28, 2017

Ehh. Didn't think Xenoblade 2 could top again some of its worse desings. Can't imagine how bad the jiggle will get basing on the others shown off.

Damian Mahadevan · Nov 28, 2017

The impact in question:

Lotus · Nov 28, 2017

As someone that actually hasn't been paying much attention to the Rare Blades, this certainly got my attention. They're just doing whatever huh...

WarpSpeedMolasses · Nov 28, 2017

Persephone said:
Because yes, if you have a game where all the dudes are covered from head to toe and your one female character is running around in a trash bag bikini and looking thoroughly uncomfortable about it, it's sexist. It reinforces the (already widespread, particularly in gaming "culture") idea that women are objects who exist solely for male titillation and pleasure. It's not "puritanism", it's wanting to be treated like goddamn people.

Even if all the other issues are glossed over, this double-standard on its own is enough to recognize this phenomenon as a problem. Nobody bats an eye if the token female character is scantily clad. (We've all seen the endless variations of female "armor" that look like period-piece bikinis or lingerie). But if a male character is ever objectified in a manner that even begins to resemble the treatment of a female character, it's usually seen as "vulgar" or uncomfortable. The power-fantasy or "executed comically" approach is almost always there to "off-set" the taboo of objectifying men in earnest.

I don't think there's anything wrong with smutty games, or "normal" games with bits of smutty fan-service. But if you're only treating token female characters like this while all the men are covered up, it's distracting and belittling.

Q_Pippin · Nov 28, 2017

RockmanBN said:
Ehh. Didn't think Xenoblade 2 could top again some of its worse desings. Can't imagine how bad the jiggle will get basing on the others shown off.

Opa-Pa · Nov 28, 2017

I want to travel ten years in the past and tell my younger self that in 2017 Nintendo is gonna publish a huge JRPG with a collaboration of famous japaese artists and music by Mitsuda. "Look forward to it, boy!"

Lotus said:
As someone that actually hasn't been paying much attention to the Rare Blades, this certainly got my attention. They're just doing whatever huh...

Don't look for the rest. This one's relatively benign.

Dmax3901 · Nov 28, 2017

Damian Mahadevan said:
Well, at least I made you laugh. I am genuinely curious as to how you would know, I dont have a huge dick, I dont know how they work or if they work similarly to mine.

Forgetting for a moment any hypothetical value in this line of thought (it's none, tbh) do you think perhaps talking about dicks and tits on a personal level like this is kinda inappropriate?

RockmanBN said:
Ehh. Didn't think Xenoblade 2 could top again some of its worse desings. Can't imagine how bad the jiggle will get basing on the others shown off.

This is fucking ridiculous, it's like satire at this point. Are those... biological 'heels'?

Xaszatm · Nov 28, 2017

Opa-Pa said:
I want to travel ten years in the past and tell my younger self that in 2017 Nintendo is gonna publish a huge JRPG with a collaboration of famous japaese artists with music by Mitsuda.

And then tell him that instead of having actually cool designs, a good chunk of them are sex bait and blatant sex bait rather than using the designs to actually convey personality onto the page.

KeRaSh · Nov 28, 2017

RockmanBN said:
Ehh. Didn't think Xenoblade 2 could top again some of its worse desings. Can't imagine how bad the jiggle will get basing on the others shown off.

I usually just ignore design I don't like but this is offensively bad. Like, "do I even want to purchase this" bad.
Furry-Shiva?

ara · Nov 28, 2017

Xaszatm said:
Well, speaking of Xenoblade Chronicles 2, that new blade really sure is something. And by something I mean utterly facepalming.

Well, I can't wait for the "what do you have against women with big breasts" thing to start cropping up again...

Wtf lol. This is so over-the-top it almost feels like self-parody or something.

flare · Nov 28, 2017

Xaszatm said:
Well, speaking of Xenoblade Chronicles 2, that new blade really sure is something. And by something I mean utterly facepalming.

Well, I can't wait for the "what do you have against women with big breasts" thing to start cropping up again...

Do her braids turn into ears at the ends....?
I just can't even any more. I'm amazed as to how far they can push the anthropomorphic shit. I'm truly at a loss for words with this one.

sensui-tomo · Nov 28, 2017

Shiva's kinda always been nude-ish (at least in FF). BUUUUT bad design is still bad (just like bottom one is)

Opa-Pa · Nov 28, 2017

When do they invite Yasuda and the Valkyria Chronicles guy? Go big or go home.

Xaszatm · Nov 28, 2017

flare said:
Do her braids turn into ears at the ends....?
I just can't even any more. I'm amazed as to how far they can push the anthropomorphic shit. I'm truly at a loss for words with this one.

She's supposed to be a snow bunny. The feet are furred and the braids turn into semi-rabbit ears. Isn't that enough for a snow bunny? Let's make the rest completely ridiculous! Also love that the only personality she shows in the promotional art is the "erotic" finger next to mouth gesture.

ara said:
Wtf lol. This is so over-the-top it almost feels like self-parody or something.

Yeah, at this point I'm wary of the Rare blades the aren't showing us.

petran79 · Nov 28, 2017

a Question said:
The design does matter in the context ofcourse as I mentioned before English has a problem where it has few words to distinguish gender. Im not saying 'I NEED TO KNOW THE GENDER!' what Im trying to point out is the fact that design is important for characters especially for videogames. Mae design should not speak "Im a girl" its say "Im a teenager or youngster" but in terms of communication Im pretty sure everybody thought this is a boy before hearing her name.

I remember reading about the movie Night on the Galactic Railroad, adapted from the book. Due to the settings (European town, Esperanto language) it would be difficult to convey this in animated form, had they designed the characters as humans. So they chose to draw them as cats, making them thus racially and even gender neutral.

Ferrs · Nov 28, 2017

RockmanBN said:
Ehh. Didn't think Xenoblade 2 could top again some of its worse desings. Can't imagine how bad the jiggle will get basing on the others shown off.

flare · Nov 28, 2017

Xaszatm said:
Yeah, at this point I'm wary of the Rare blades the aren't showing us.

Maybe they've shown us the worst offenders and are saving the best for release.

Persephone · Nov 28, 2017

Damian Mahadevan said:
Do you have big boobs? How would you know otherwise? Also Pyra has a strong jerk top the left in that gif, jot a simple movement to the left.

Buddy. Pal. Friendo. Boobs do jiggle when you're doing physical activity. E.g. running. But if you're wearing a bra? Walking does not cause jiggle. Turning to the left does not cause jiggle. And before you ask, you disturbed manchild, yes, I have big fucking boobs.

psychowave · Nov 28, 2017

Persephone said:
Buddy. Pal. Friendo. Boobs do jiggle when you're doing physical activity. E.g. running. But if you're wearing a bra? Walking does not cause jiggle. Turning to the left does not cause jiggle. And before you ask, you disturbed manchild, yes, I have big fucking boobs.

yeah but how big exactly? and have you done porn? asking for a friend

/s

Damian Mahadevan · Nov 28, 2017

Persephone said:
Buddy. Pal. Friendo. Boobs do jiggle when you're doing physical activity. E.g. running. But if you're wearing a bra? Walking does not cause jiggle. Turning to the left does not cause jiggle. And before you ask, you disturbed manchild, yes, I have big fucking boobs.

I think you girls are misunderstanding what is happening in that gif. She gets hit on the lower left and that animation is her recovery. So do your boobs move if you get hit form the side?

Deleted member 32561 · Nov 28, 2017

RockmanBN said:
Ehh. Didn't think Xenoblade 2 could top again some of its worse desings. Can't imagine how bad the jiggle will get basing on the others shown off.

... Um. Wow.

So my questions are:

How did this (and the rest but especially this) get past Nintendo for a game marketed to teens?
How big is the backlash from the "CENSORSHIP!!!11!!" brigade going to be if this game gets any design changes for the Western release at all at this point? Because Jesus Christ is it ripe and ready for them.

Pirate Bae · Nov 28, 2017

Damian Mahadevan said:
I think you girls are misunderstanding what is happening in that gif. She gets hit on the lower left and that animation is her recovery. So do your boobs move if you get hit form the side?

We are women. We understand breast physics and how they move way better than you.

Stop trying to mansplain our own anatomy

EMT0 · Nov 28, 2017

Damian Mahadevan said:
I think you girls are misunderstanding what is happening in that gif. She gets hit on the lower left and that animation is her recovery. So do your boobs move if you get hit form the side?

Wow, you even got the condescending 'girls' in too

psychowave · Nov 28, 2017

""""you girls""""

Ferrs · Nov 28, 2017

Damian Mahadevan said:
I think you girls are misunderstanding what is happening in that gif. She gets hit on the lower left and that animation is her recovery. So do your boobs move if you get hit form the side?

Dude seriously, stop. You can't say to women how boobs work. Don't you see how ridiculous is it?

Deleted member 32561 · Nov 28, 2017

Damian Mahadevan said:
I think you girls are misunderstanding what is happening in that gif. She gets hit on the lower left and that animation is her recovery. So do your boobs move if you get hit form the side?

sensui-tomo · Nov 28, 2017

Mewshuji said:
... Um. Wow.

So my questions are:

How did this (and the rest but especially this) get past Nintendo for a game marketed to teens?

How big is the backlash from the "CENSORSHIP!!!11!!" brigade going to be if this game gets any design changes for the Western release at all at this point? Because Jesus Christ is it ripe and ready for them.

got in the same way this did in the last game, which was also marketed to teens.

Opa-Pa · Nov 28, 2017

No way that isn't a very elaborate troll at this point lmao.

Deleted member 32561 · Nov 28, 2017

sensui-tomo said:
got in the same way this did in the last game, which was also marketed to teens.

... huh. Well, I'm gobsmacked.

Also isn't that a screenshot from the Western version? Like... shit. I'd heard they removed the boob slider, never bothered to look into what fanservice stuff they did keep.

Xaszatm · Nov 28, 2017

Damian Mahadevan said:
I think you girls are misunderstanding what is happening in that gif. She gets hit on the lower left and that animation is her recovery. So do your boobs move if you get hit form the side?

Are you seriously telling women, i.e. the ones who live with breasts all their adult life, how their boobs work? Like, really?

sensui-tomo said:
got in the same way this did in the last game, which was also marketed to teens.

Difference is that this time the cheesecake is front and center and I can't even change their outfits. Which makes it even more annoying.

sensui-tomo · Nov 28, 2017

Mewshuji said:
... huh. Well, I'm gobsmacked.

Also isn't that a screenshot from the Western version? Like... shit. I'd heard they removed the boob slider, never bothered to look into what fanservice stuff they did keep.

there is no boob slider and they more or less made the fan service outfits not work on the young member of the game (to which people cried censorship.... about not being able to put some 12-15 year old girl/loli(anime trope) in that same outfit :/)

psychowave · Nov 28, 2017

the next time some dude doesn't believe that mansplain exists please point them towards that one time where one dude tried to explain a group of women (excuse me, """""girls"""") how breasts move

Ferrs · Nov 28, 2017

sensui-tomo said:
got in the same way this did in the last game, which was also marketed to teens.

I think Xeno 2 is in another level though, it goes beyond costumes, and it's also a literally mess design wise.

I mean, I don't know how deliberate was Monolith Soft but Xeno 2 is an utterly mess of clashing styles.
For their part they just didn't had any kind of guideline and they just took whatever stuff the guest designers dropped at them, without any kind of check. And for the designers part, it feels like they didn't even care about designing a character for Xeno 2, and instead created a design cattering their fetishes, or maybe just sent a scrapped design they had in the closet.

It's funny when some people say "shoerning X isn't good if it feels tacked" and then approve this, literally tacked random designs everywhere.

Deleted member 32561 · Nov 28, 2017

sensui-tomo said:
there is no boob slider and they more or less made the fan service outfits not work on the young member of the game (to which people cried censorship.... about not being able to put some 12-15 year old girl/loli(anime trope) in that same outfit :/)

Yeah I'd only heard about the boob slider "controversy", not the "oh no I can't put a little fucking girl in a sexy outfit". Jesus these people...
Then again this is the same crowd that complained about lingerie being replaced by a princess gown and a zero suit in a horror game so...

MrMysterio · Nov 28, 2017

CannonFodder52 said:
Uhm, if we are talking about non human representation of women, I'd like to take this opportunity to recommend Night in the Woods.
I'd put it alongside Persona 5, Nier:A and Yakuza 0 for my best games of the year, but it's the only one that didn't have jarring representation issues.

Mae is really cool, has very few if any gender identifiers (ribbons, bows, lipstick, heels, gender norm stuff), she's also not slender or objectified.
The game features gay characters that it makes no attempt to draw attention to, it just treats them as normal. Besides all that, the game is honestly great. It's very story focused, but with some sidescrolling and slice of life stuff merged in. It deals with some pretty interesting themes that felt very relevant in 2017.
It's also not a furry game, don't worry. The characters are actually some of the more real down to earth or relatable that I have seen in a recent game.

Thanks for that recommendation. Will buy this later today. Was sitting on the fence with it.

Pirate Bae · Nov 28, 2017

psychowave said:
the next time some dude doesn't believe that mansplain exists please point them towards that one time where one dude tried to explain a group of women (excuse me, """""girls"""") how breasts move

This is it. We've reached the pinnacle.

Dnomla · Nov 28, 2017

psychowave said:
Lol, that jiggle isn't realistic at all. That is not how boobs work.

She's being shocked, jolted from an attack impact in that scene. I don't see how a little jiggle is unrealistic. It's not perfect, but far from not realistic at all. Considering what she's wearing it's fairly believable. And this is coming from someone who has boobs.

I'm not saying anyone has to like it or flat out accept it. I just don't think it's huge deal in this scene.

takriel · Nov 28, 2017

What must these designers be thinking when they move the breast size slider all the way to the right?

psychowave · Nov 28, 2017

Dnomla said:
She's being shocked, jolted from an attack impact in that scene. I don't see how a little jiggle is unrealistic. It's not perfect, but far from not realistic at all. Considering what she's wearing it's fairly believable. And this is coming from someone who has boobs.

I'm not saying anyone has to like it or flat out accept it. I just don't think it's huge deal in this scene.

"a little jiggle"

esserius · Nov 28, 2017

Reading that Xeno 2 thread is kinda depressing. So much "whataboutism" rhetoric.

Ferrs · Nov 28, 2017

esserius said:
Reading that Xeno 2 thread is kinda depressing. So much "whataboutism" rhetoric.

It's the last resort when you have no arguments left.

flare · Nov 28, 2017

esserius said:
Reading that Xeno 2 thread is kinda depressing. So much "whataboutism" rhetoric.

Seems to be the norm when it comes just about every argument these days.

I can't believe we're seriously discussing jiggle fucking physics. It has never looked remotely "realistic" (whatever the fuck that means). It has always been jarring and out of place. And in almost every case the camera puts it front and center for no reason other than to service the player. Quite frankly it's pointless and its inclusion is worse.

Dmax3901 · Nov 28, 2017

Dnomla said:
She's being shocked, jolted from an attack impact in that scene. I don't see how a little jiggle is unrealistic. It's not perfect, but far from not realistic at all. Considering what she's wearing it's fairly believable. And this is coming from someone who has boobs.

I'm not saying anyone has to like it or flat out accept it. I just don't think it's huge deal in this scene.

The thing is if they're doing it for realism why is she dressed like that in the first place?

Xaszatm · Nov 28, 2017

Pirate Bae said:
This is it. We've reached the pinnacle.

Oh, you just know they're going to find ways to top themselves like they have everyday. At this point we should just make a sign that says "It has been ___ hours since someone topped the last statement".

Encephalon · Nov 28, 2017

Am I a bad person for thinking Shiva's design in FFVIII is elegant? I mean, she's basically not wearing any clothes, but as a non straight person who doesn't get anything out of the design, I somehow appreciate it. I'm not saying it's justified, however.

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