As a woman who's likely played video games since before you were born, you really don't know what you are talking about. Recent studies have found that women play games at nearly the same rates as men. And no, we are not playing tablet games and candy crush or whatever.
I don't wanna get into it at the risk of derailing but yes and no. The long term has come up though and given that I do most of the housework if certain things don't pan out my gf is fine with me basically being a house husband.
When I see a sexaulised male character, i'm like "Damn, that's fucking hawt." Same thing with a female character. Best example would be MGS, yeah the designs are very fan servicey, but I appreciate the sexiness of both genders,
Honestly? All the more overt examples from my experience came from workplace so... I suppose that explains that.
Would you have liked if Big Boss and Kaz were dressed like that for all of MGSV, though? Do you not think it would just make the game feel kinda silly and it would be hard to take the story seriously with them dressed like that throughout all the serious moments?When I see a sexaulised male character, i'm like "Damn, that's fucking hawt." Same thing with a female character. Best example would be MGS, yeah the designs are very fan servicey, but I appreciate the sexiness of both genders,
It is most certainly a thing. In fact, gaming has the clearest examples of it.
Great or small does not matter. Everything plays into it. That's how these things work. The pervasiveness of these kinds of attitudes and depictions help to normalize certain perceptions and expectations. That's achieved by being present across our culture and society in our movies, tv, news media, fashion, games and on and on. There is no one smoking gun, it's death by a thousand cuts. Which means you have to deal with it everywhere. Games don't get some pass because they're not as prevalent, though they really are these days, as other forms of media.
Context is key, what gets repeated from various studies regarding health concerns is 'do/don't do x', which is often based on a lengthy conclusion packed with nuance, then filtered through a press office to add drama, filtered through a journalist to add scandal, and then filtered through a sub-editor so it fits on the page. If you can read the data and methodology, and research who funded it and why, and thus place the results in context while reading conclusions, studies are very useful. It's a fair bet that peer-reviewed studies in STEM journals are held to a higher standard than an amateur survey of a few hundred people by a third-sector press office looking for biased results to support further funding. Likewise, only looking at tabloid headlines of 'red wine/chocolate/meat will/won't kill you' without such context is useless. Doesn't mean that disregarding all data is sensible when the studies worth looking at tell you exactly how it was gathered so you can draw your own conclusions.
I mean there quite literally is a person ITT denying it, and yea, video games are definitely part of the problem. You should really read up on some of the things devs had to deal with due to publishers trying to appeal solely to male gamers.
Sorry, Fiction. In this thread we've arbitrarily decided that studies don't mean anything, so...
Nobody is saying that sexism has been around for ever They're saying video games aren't doing
'Reputation' is something built up by what various people say. How do you know which of the various people to listen to, the ones who vouch for those companies?
There's at least one poster in this very topic saying the same thing.
I'll happily stick my hand up to this- I read a lot (or what I consider a lot, at least 20 books a year) but around 75% of that is genre stuff: Sci-fi, fantasy, horror, detective stories. The rest is mainly non-fiction. My wife reads more broadly and mixes all manner of stuff in comparison.
When I see a sexaulised male character, i'm like "Damn, that's fucking hawt." Same thing with a female character. Best example would be MGS, yeah the designs are very fan servicey, but I appreciate the sexiness of both genders,
Of course there is an equivalent for women.
There's also Raiden doing naked cart wheels against enemey soldiers in MGS2 (unless being naked on the battlefield for woman is somehow worse then a guy doing it), and him being tied up and interrogated whilst naked isn't supposed to be for sex appeal?You are directly comparing men in swimsuits on the beach to a woman in a swimsuit on a battlefield.
The game with the beach scene, Peace Walker, also allows you to see the female lead, Paz, in a bikini on the same beach.
In MGSV, neither of the game's female characters is clothes. You have Quiet in her bikini-and-tights combo and Paz in her underwear.
There is no male objectification, aside from the (amazing) model swaps.
Honestly, I would be pretty thrilled if female game characters only had to wear swimsuits at the beach or the pool.
Only when a mod/the OP says they are adding stuff, like they did here. Sometimes a recap is also good in a longrunning thread to try and stay on-topic too.
Raiden's situation is meant to make him feel vulnerable more than anything but I can see the sex appeal angle as well to a certain extent. Not to dismiss that a naked man can't be fanservice, but I believe Kojima wanted it to be more comedic and ridiculous, similar to Johnny in MGS1.
Well that someone sees it to be okay for a man to provide for a woman but not the other way around is ofcourse sexist.
There's also Raiden doing naked cart wheels against enemey soldiers in MGS2 (unless being naked on the battlefield for woman is somehow worse then a guy doing it), and him being tied up and interrogated whilst naked isn't supposed to be for sex appeal?
I understand not wanting to tell others to avoid harassment, but some places take surveys of the users and I don't think women would have any reason to hide their gender for those.
