Not only in rap and hip hop but you should listen to most of reggaetons lyrics. Absolutely disgusting stuff.
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Why is it still acceptable to refer to woman as b****** in hip hop music?
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Very few rappers.
Since the west coast boom in the early 90's, which was purposeful, conscious rappers and the fun rapers are almost all out except some underground exceptions.
Also many rappers are faking growing up in the environment.
There's no difference between nwa and lil pump outside lil pump mumbling.
There is a difference between lil pump/nwa and public enemy/kurtis
I'm not convinced this is true. In what sense is it counter-cultural when it is the standard for what popular music is? I'm honestly kind of surprised that you don't see the contradiction in saying something is both counter-cultural and mainstream. If we're going by what is popular with Americans, rap music is literally the prevailing culture.
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Bitch and cunt are like the word retard. People are going to dig in and keep saying them long past the point where it makes them look like a troglodyte.
Invoking the comparison with nigger is not pretending something is out of bouds when your card is pulled. It's dog whistling that serves literally no purpose but to go "gotcha black people". Audioboxer was right when he said people who do this are ignorant at best more like just out here trolling. It has literally zero to do with the conversation.
Black people generally only want to talk about this with other black people not because the music only affects black women but because you can't discuss black stuff without it veering into racism. This thread is littered with examples. You can't demamd of black people to engage in discussions where the outcome is always the same racist dogwhistle shit. And we wont. Honestly, that right was lost a long ass time ago.
It has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with sex. Why do people not understand the difference? It's an insult against a sex (female) not a gender- in any case you are correct with the moral of your story.
Cos that's all you are worth boo, if you are too lazy to even make an effort to dismiss someone's point why should I be bothered
Open up? Like what issues at work? Issues with the fam? None of them have any issues with that since we been mates since we were kids. Last time a thread as silly as this was when one poster decided that the word stupid should be banned because of reeasons, I guess this is a step up I supposed.
Apparently sometimes gender and sex mean the same thing. So there you have it.
a) "bitch" is a gendered insult as it insults all women regardless of biology b) how would insulting only women with vaginas be any better than insulting all women?
So I see your not intelligent enough to exactly state your reason of disagreement.
Or you just can't relate to the community.
Or both
User Banned (7 days) : Sexism. Member in junior phase.
Because deep down, some women get off on being degraded
So none? Gotcha.
Oddly my post has thought in it you should try it.
Was. Now it's about as countercultural as McDonald's.
Yeah it can get a little much. Oddly enough I hardly ever use the term to refer to a woman, but I say it to my guy friends all the time. It definitely is gendered, but it's also so entrenched in society.
Countercultural themes and motifs are appropriated and assimilated into mainstream culture literally all the time. It's not a contradiction it's an irony. Rap music is part of a culture industry today, just like it was when Public Enemy and NWA were en vogue. There's no contradiction as long as these assimilated elements don't threaten the establishment and still produce profit.
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It's hard to imagine it's okay to degrade most women just because some might theoretically like it lol
Just cuz a person likes scat doesn't mean they always like getting shit on. And the context of these songs aren't to please women, and it's not how many women feel when listening.
Also, what Driggony said.
Apparently it's within culture to say "bitch" and the degree of offense doesn't match up so it's a no go from a lot in this thread.
This seems like an appropriate way to deal with it. And because of that, I can't wrap my head around a lot of the stuff in this thread.
Guess I can only speak for my culture and what flies there. I am not, how the kids put it, hip.
Could you imagine being a living, breathing person and using Urbandictionary definitions in social scenarios?
Kendrick Lamar just won the Pulitzer Prize for music; the awarding winning album feature songs with the word bitch in it.
"Bitch be humble, sit down"
"a virtuosic song collection unified by its vernacular authenticity and rhythmic dynamism that offers affecting vignettes capturing the complexity of modern African-American life."
But yeah, reduce hip-hop culture to being a trump equivalent because you have an anti black agenda.
"Bitch be humble, sit down"
"a virtuosic song collection unified by its vernacular authenticity and rhythmic dynamism that offers affecting vignettes capturing the complexity of modern African-American life."
But yeah, reduce hip-hop culture to being a trump equivalent because you have an anti black agenda.
OP if you're going to censor words at least make it the right length of characters.
EDIT: I can't English or count apparently. Someone get me a dictionary and a calculator.
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Toxic masculinity ups street cred. So does breaking rules. Basically they get double points by saying "F*** You" to PC culture.
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Hip hop culture died In 93.
I'm not sure what culture today's rap is. Well, actually its media produced culture I suppose.
But anyway back to the topic, I don't think the b word makes music be anything less than music. Music is music. Some of the guys using it won awards so if people like it the industry makes money.
There isn't just one "rap culture", it's a huge genre of music which makes the "rap culture is so bad" mantra so overtly racist.
Kendrick, Drake & Migos can all be successful acts with largely different culture around them; they're not all the same because they're black guys rapping
Rap largely hasn't relied on rappers having "street cred" since the 90s, or I guess since the early 2000s. Well, since people like Common, then Kanye and ilk, and conscious/backpack rap came to prominence.
Also, my take is that while "bitch" still can be used as a gendered insult, it's been somewhat reclaimed and become a more generic term with a variety of uses based on the context, much like "nigga" (although, there isn't a harsher variant). You see it as the typical insult against women, an insult against men, you see women use it like "nigga" to refer to their female crew/friends/associates, you see it sometimes as a term of affection from a man to a women (ie. "That's My Bitch" off Watch the Throne). Pretending its use hasn't evolved isn't helping the discussion
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Where/when can I pick up my guide on which words I am and am not allowed to use?
I'm a huge rap fan. Seeing people deny it's the most obscene and misogynist mainstream music genre in America is pretty hilarious. Yea there's a whole lot of rap that isn't misogynist or obscene...but the dominant majority of rap that's consumed is very much so, as are most of the biggest rappers today and in history. Is there anything you guys are willing to take personal responsibility for without bringing up excuses that have nothing to do with the topic at hand? lmao
The word itself doesn't bother me. I definitely cringe at some of the misogyny in the music I listen to, and take responsibility for it. And on the other hand, I marvel at some of it. This is probably the most misogynist song I've heard in a minute yet I love it *shrug* and can't help but laugh at some of the absurdity.
The word itself doesn't bother me. I definitely cringe at some of the misogyny in the music I listen to, and take responsibility for it. And on the other hand, I marvel at some of it. This is probably the most misogynist song I've heard in a minute yet I love it *shrug* and can't help but laugh at some of the absurdity.
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