SageShinigami

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This has been in my head for a few days now, spurred on by a TikTok I saw from Adam Conover where he claimed "people liked television until Netflix came along with their streaming lies." I usually agree with a lot of Adam's takes, but that one I called out as BS because tons of people hated television by then. I certainly did.

Then I started thinking: when did television start becoming less relevant to me, or "fall off"? And I realized my answer was 2004-2005. That was when television gradually started to "optimize" for the sake of making more money and better ratings.

Growing up in the 90s, television networks all had their own identities. A&E was mostly (though not entirely) a stuffy channel where you got Agatha Christie's Poirot or Nero Wolfe. Sci-Fi Channel aired things like Knight Rider or Amazing Fantasy or Dark Shadows.

Most channels didn't have a lot of original programming, so they'd pull from prior decades to fill time, leading to viewers of all ages being exposed (or re-exposed) to tons of series from television history. Cartoon Network lived off this for the first 10 years of its existence: Flintstones, Smurfs, Alvin and the Chipmunks, Centurions, G-Force, etc.

But as early as the mid-2000s, networks began "optimizing". Channels started running more marathons because they could get similar ratings or better than if they aired varied programming throughout the day. Suddenly a channel that might've aired over a dozen shows a day in the 90s aired half that. The endgame of that is modern MTV, where they just re-run Ridiculousness, Catfish, and Teen Mom for the entire day.

Gradually networks lost their identity, which is how you got stuff like the History Channel airing Ice Road Truckers and Sci-Fi airing ECW and SmackDown before just saying screw it and changing their name so people would stop whining at them about it. And everyone gave up on older television, relegating it to channels like Boomerang, Toon Disney, and TV Land (later MeTV), so they wouldn't have to pay any licensing costs. No big deal really, though it does suck to lose out on easy exposure to older media like that.

I saw all that stuff starting to happen in the mid-2000s, leading to me gradually being disinterested in the entire service. I was ready to cut the cord long before the streaming services came along, they just gave everyone else an excuse to move on too.

What about you? Were you ever big into cable, and if so when did you fall off? Lastly, obviously this is all my perspective as an American, people from other countries are going to have wildly different opinions I'd imagine.
 

TheMadTitan

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When the History Channel and The Learning Channel stopped being about history and learning. When MTV stopped playing mostly music related shows and forced everyone to MTV2. When MTV2 started doing the same and forced everyone to MTVU, but only three people on Earth besides me even knew what MTVU was.

When History Channel 2 stopped showing Modern Marvels.
 

IDontBeatGames

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When this show started to get played 24/7 all day long for whatever fucking reason on MTV, that's when I began to fell off of cable. I have no idea what Rob Dyrdek has on MTV executives but whatever it is, it's gonna be massive because I've never met a single Ridiculouness fan in my life.
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mrmoose

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It seems like cable, (probably) starting with HBO, started going to original series. I think on the contrary this became a boon of sorts in terms of quality television: I see it as a benefit that the likes of TNT, Sci Fi, Cartoon Network, Disney Channel, Nickelodeon etc. started budgeting worthwhile original shows instead of relying on repeats. I'm not sure if it's just my own bias but I do think reality tv programming (starting with the Real World then proliferating endlessly) kind of made a lot of these stations unbearable to me, but I'm sure that also brought along with it a bunch of viewers. I can't even tell you what HG TV used to be like because I only watched it when they started having reality shows, for instance.

So for me, cable fell off when these series were easily available on streaming or other methods. When HBO Go became a thing, I rarely watched HBO, I'd just watch the stuff on demand and the channel was just something I paid for so I could stream it. It's so much easier to not be beholden to a channel's schedule and just watch things on demand. That alternative to cable is what made me fall off of cable, and it's telling because while I still do have cable, the main things I watch on it are sports (including wrestling) which is not really available elsewhere. If Max is able to get the NBA and AEW on their service...
 

Mekanos

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I would say I stopped "watching" TV, as in, sitting down and watching any ol' show on TV for the heck of it, in the late 2000s. I would catch certain shows as they aired but most of the time just recorded it with DVR. Even LOST, which I was super into, I watched via ABC's free streaming (those were the days) until I caught up in season 5 in 2009. This was also around the time I was getting more into anime, which had less options on TV (and all of it was dubbed).
 

Firima

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Adam Conover was wrong about that for sure. TV went to shit as soon as reality TV showed you could bring in a ton of ratings without half the staff needed to run traditional television, and the writer's strike in 2007 had the unfortunate side effect of greatly hastening the networks' complete transition into that model to lessen what they saw as a net negative financial exposure via reliance on a bunch of moving parts that could strike at any time.
 

BossAttack

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When this show started to get played 24/7 all day long for whatever fucking reason on MTV, that's when I began to fell off of cable. I have no idea what Rob Dyrdek has on MTV executives but whatever it is, it's gonna be massive because I've never met a single Ridiculouness fan in my life.
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There was actually a great YT documentary that covered his whole takeover and his super smart business acumen.
 

AMAGON

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Middle of 2000's when ways to download shows at the time instead of revolving my life around tv schedule
 

Kendrid

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When it went to being almost all reality tv. I loved Survivor and Big Brother but burned out and can't stand the thought of watching any show like that again, or any other contest type show.
 

gozu

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Early 2000s. I have not watched tv commercials outside of the Superbowl.

I just can't. I could tolerate 1 to 2 minutes of commercials per hour. That's it. 15 minutes is laughable :)
 

thediamondage

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A combination of

  • for a while Netflix had EVERYTHING. You didn't need to look up where to stream and shit, if it was slightly older chances were really good it was on netflix
  • network shows became extremely mediocre, designed to watch while you were doing something else (no complex plot to follow)
  • cable/streaming shows became very serialized/story arcs and complex and bingable and started winning all the awards
  • a lot of attention was diverted to youtube, influencers, tik tok, twitch, etc
Once you made that fateful decision to cut the cord you realized you don't miss anything about network TV and that was the beginning of the end.

Now we're in a mediocre spot though where everything good is littered across a dozen streaming sites and any movie you want to watch could be on any one of them and they constantly hop around. All the Fast and Furious movies recently got put back on Netflix but it won't last, they will be gone in a year or less and back onto wherever someone pays more for them.

The only good thing I suppose it is super easy to cancel a service anytime and reup later, basically pay 1 month of content a year and watch everything on that service you missed. I'm 100% sure all the streamers are working desperately on ways to prevent that though. Soon enough we'll probably see streaming sub prices tied to 2 year contracts and penalties for trying to cancel early, just like cable TV.
 

Sobriquet

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There was actually a great YT documentary that covered his whole takeover and his super smart business acumen.
Thanks for the tip. I think this is it:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

I recently went on vacation with some friends and every time we got back to the hotel we'd check if Ridiculousness was still on. It was every single time until one day we stumbled on some music videos. Music videos! On MTV!
 

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Don't think it completely fell off but I guess sometime after Big Brother got going, reality TV went into overdrive, history, learning and documentary channels flipped the script and the internet with social media exploded which kinda distracted a lot of people and brain cells expired. Still think TV shows were always getting better and better but the sort of round the TV viewing on a set time died not long after Lost if I was to guess.
 

Rodney McKay

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I fell off cable around the 2007-2010 era when I was in college and could just download commercial free episodes of new shows from places like Ninja Vids or whatever it was called.
And that was usually before they even aired live on the West Coast too.

I loved it when Netflix came along and I could watch so much stuff (even if it was older shows or whatever).

And for all the complaints these days about "needing" a dozen streaming services to see everything or shows moving around a bunch, it's still better than cable ever was IMO.

For one thing, keeping a ton of subscriptions is stupid, you should only have a few and just rotate them as you run out of stuff you want to watch on them. Sure you might miss out on watching some show day one, but it's been so long since a show was actually so good I didn't want to be spoiled.

Yes it's annoying when a streaming service purges a bunch of stuff or moves it to another service, but I'll take that occasionally over cable where you just get what they give you that day. No need to do VHS recordings to catch re-runs of a show I might have missed.
 
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When all of the science, history, etc channels became almost nothing but reality TV garbage and watching movies/shows online started becoming more common. This was in the late 00s to very early 10s. That was when I removed the cable box from my room. Haven't had one in a decade now.
 

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Personally speaking I became an adult in the early 2000s and any sort of appointment TV fell by the wayside for me. Sorry Arrested Development. I just got too busy going to concerts, hanging with friends and working.
 

BossAttack

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Thanks for the tip. I think this is it:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

I recently went on vacation with some friends and every time we got back to the hotel we'd check if Ridiculousness was still on. It was every single time until one day we stumbled on some music videos. Music videos! On MTV!

That's the one.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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When the price became exorbitant for what the customer was getting and the value proposition disappeared for many. I'd posit that it had more to do with price than anything else. People started cutting their cords to save money.
 

louiedog

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When they made it cheaper to bundle TV and Internet as a package than having Internet alone. There were several years when I only had a TV package due to that. Sometimes it was worth it to have a plan that I used but sometimes it was just the SD-only basic tier and I didn't even have the box hooked up, it lived in a closet to reduce my bill.

That's more an effect than a cause, but marks the time that they were desperate for people to sign up.
 
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YouTube, Netflix, and (formerly) Justin.Tv. Between those three platforms I could watch literally anything I want, so cable became wholly irrelevant to me.
 

NinjaScooter

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mid 2010s probably, or whenever HBO launched their streaming app. Cable is basically only useful for sports anymore.
 

ConfusingJazz

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It's absolute trash to say people "were happy" with the cable model, they tolerated it. As a response to Millenials not going into cable as hard as previous generations, channels did 3 different things

1. A few went to prestige TV
2. Sports channels were seen as safe
3. Most channels went to 24/7 Reality TV bullshit to cut cost

Hey guess what, number 3 killed it. The only one that seems to actually draw numbers is the Andy Cohen-verse on Bravo. Most people just decided that they never looked at 90% of the channels on their cable box, and cut the cost.

Personally, I think sometime around the last writer's strike. Internet speeds went up, and Netflix became super useful.
 

BassForever

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As someone who still watches a lot of sports cable never really "fell off" for me. I'd still watch Toonami if it didn't mess up my sleep schedule during tax season.
 

ConfusingJazz

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For the sake of not just paraphrasing Adam, here's the TT in question. The broader point is how streaming has been devastating for the entertainment industry, but the suggestion that before Netflix "TV was good, people liked it" still gets under my skin.


View: https://www.tiktok.com/@adamconover/video/7264227179083386155


The WB cable channels were always going to die. They were literally the first channels Netflix replaced. TBS, TNT, USA, etc etc etc were just glorified tape machines.
 

sfedai0

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I just never even got cable to begin with. Mom was not willing to spend that money and the occasional piracy, anime and video games was more than enough to not need cable. Then I moved out just as Netflix started streaming. The end.
 

Bjomesphat

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When I moved out on my own in the late 00s and realized how not only expensive cable was, but how expensive it was to just get decent quality. The most basic garbage cable package was already too expensive, we're talking like one set top box and SD channels. To get HD (720p HD), and multiple boxes and DVR was just a ridiculous amount of money each month. Needless to say, they basically forced us to pirate stuff. No regrets either.
 
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SageShinigami

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As someone who still watches a lot of sports cable never really "fell off" for me. I'd still watch Toonami if it didn't mess up my sleep schedule during tax season.

Toonami was formative in the years where I first got into anime, but its relevance died immediately after I got good internet. I'd rather give Crunchyroll $8-10 a month and have access to 90% of currently airing anime.
 

TalonJH

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Honestly, I stopped watching/paying for cable when Netflix started sending out disc. Before then, I was the type to have the TV on all the time just for background noise. After college and moving out on my own, the TV was mostly only for watching Netflix DVDs and playing games. On occasion, I've had to check local digital broadcast for local college sports for my spouse. I doubt I'm saving any money. I subscribe to so many services.
 

Temp_User

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When I wanted to rewatch some specific episodes of The Wire or HBO Rome in a relative's place and i dont have my DVD's with me.
 

Zippedpinhead

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In the late 90's cable pay channels were great. My parents got two years of starz for nothing when they signed up for satellite. Do I would watch movies endlessly. Invariably one of the movie channels we had would have something worth watching (even if it meant joining in 20 some-odd minutes into the movie)

Sure I would still watch the big shows of the time, if only to keep up with my peers. But the real stuff was the movies. So I would ask myself

"why does Cable not make it so I can JUST get the channels I like? Why do I need all these other channels I just surf by?"

These same movies got me into Netflix in college, since buying/renting individual DVDs was so pricey. And it all went downhill from there. Eventually (post grad, on my own) I would move on to my own server, so I could stream to my PS3 with all the DVDs and TV shows I could "conveniently acquire".

And then Netflix became an app, and I suddenly didn't need that server or the DVDs.

But all this time cable came along. Tied to the fastest internet in my area like some sort of boulder or jail weight. And even then I convinced myself I needed it too. How would I get my local news or watch those shows I shared with my peers. I needed that DVR!

Until I didn't, next day airing and locals being added to streaming services finally convinced me to cut the cord.

And I finally got what I asked for all those years ago, a way to pay for only what I consume as media and not "all the other channels I just surf by".

And I probably pay more for it.
 

msdstc

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I really only watched cable for sports starting around 2010... but even then I still would browse the channels and check out things like HBO for their series. Once netflix streaming dropped, it really became apparent that cable was on borrowed time. I didn't get my own place until 2015, but when I moved out I never even bothered with cable. I tried PSVUE when that came out for a bit, but ultimately found I really didn't need cable television for anything. I feel if I had moved out earlier I still never would've got it. The internet is a better source for news, and streaming services cover the rest.
 

BassForever

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Toonami was formative in the years where I first got into anime, but its relevance died immediately after I got good internet. I'd rather give Crunchyroll $8-10 a month and have access to 90% of currently airing anime.
Watching Toonami was a communal experience with the Toonami regulars on this site and other social media platforms. They often got to premier dubs which is my preferred method of watching anime.
 

horkrux

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Gonna be honest, they never fell off for me. It was the opposite even; people stopped watching them, so the ones I was most fond of - our videogame channel here in Germany (GIGA), as well as all the music channels - ended up dying. While there is definitely plenty to replace the former, the latter only has youtube and it's no adequate replacement with its weird curation.

Normal TV channels are the same they've ever been, so eh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I just like to have someone else's curation sometimes that isn't focused on my own personal interests. It helps to find something you might have not otherwise considered.
 

Akira86

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streaming is the super-optimization and end result of all that race to the bottom shit they started after the last tv strike in the 00s.

the strikes, the reality tv, the nuking of any kind of real programming for low hanging fruit ratings winners, and ultimately ala carte entertainment are the death knell of any network. if it just becomes a glorified file server for media content there is no network, its just a bunch of disconnected users accessing files you provide and sometimes they might choose.

it might be good for numbers, but it isn't even good for consumption. even the terminology knows it's unsustainable. Binging media, they know the shit isn't healthy. They even have purging.

i know ya'll remember the pleasures of anticipation and satisfaction over the modern instant gratification of watching whole series in a day. That's how we used to like to watch our repeats, not our new and current shows.

they broke tv. they need to fix it.
 
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Cipher Peon

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When I binged my first Netflix show I realized I never ever wanted to go back. And I won't.

Streaming is the future and the future is bright!
 

Bigkrev

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I have this pegged at 2015, which also coincides with it being the first year there was net loss in cable subscribers. I have 2 key items for that year:

1.) The launch of HBO Now- prior to 2015, if you wanted to watch HBO, you had to either have cable HBO or borrow a cable subscribers password to log into HBO Go. 2015 was the year HBO launched HBO Now, which was a streaming service where you could just pay $15 a month to HBO and get a login without needing cable.
2.)While House of Cards and Orange is the new Black were a bit earlier, 2015 is the year we started to get streaming service original shows - Kenny Schmit, Grace and Frankie, Master of None, Narcos, and the first few Marvel shows all came to Netflix. Prior to this, they had had 1-2 original shows a year, but now it was a full programing schedule. This was also the year that Amazon Prime started doing original shows, like Man in the High Castle and Bosch.

It was the combination of no longer being tied to Cable for the biggest prestige network at the time, and that streaming services began to switch from a way to watch reruns of old shows to destinations for new shows that marked the beginning of the end for cable, with small but steady declines in subscribers, to it then getting a bunch of gasoline thrown on it in 2018-2019-2020 as many of the big TV empires like Disney, CBS, Comcast and Warner all launched their own streaming services AND COIVD causing massive declines to cable every year since instead of small ones.

You could argue that 2016 is really the year that streaming service originals began to overtake cable- that's stuff like Stranger Things, The Crown, and 13 Reasons Why, which were 3 of the biggest shows all year anywhere- but 2015 is the point where it became obvious Cable was on the way out.
 

ElNino

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It's absolute trash to say people "were happy" with the cable model, they tolerated it.
Correct, no one "liked" the cable model before streaming, it was just what we dealt with if we wanted to watch on release. We had our shows that we watched every week (Cheers, Mash, Seinfeld, Friends, etc) and certain timeslots (Saturday morning cartoons) and otherwise dealt with the bullshit that was cable TV and commercials.

Sports is the primary reason to keep it around for me, but we also like some of the themed channels for bedtime or background viewing (Hallmark, HGTV, Golf, etc).
 

G_Shumi

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I still thought there was a glimmer of hope for broadcast and cable TV in the 2010s (mostly in the former half). It wasn't as great as it was in the 2000s, but there was still something worth watching.

But I'd be inclined to say the beginning of the downfall of all of that was when shows were available to stream the next day (or sooner) on their websites or on Hulu. I remember whenever I'd have a break in between my classes back in college, I'd go down to the computer lab and occupy a seat just to go to websites for ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. and watch shows I'd missed the night before. It was so revolutionary that I could do that so easily, and without needing to log in or subscribe somewhere! It was so awesome!
 
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SageShinigami

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streaming is the super-optimization and end result of all that race to the bottom shit they started after the last tv strike in the 00s.

the strikes, the reality tv, the nuking of any kind of real programming for low hanging fruit ratings winners, and ultimately ala carte entertainment are the death knell of any network. if it just becomes a glorified file server for media content there is no network, its just a bunch of disconnected users accessing files you provide and sometimes they might choose.

The glorified file server is better than late 2000s/early 2010s television, though. I remember old-school television and how channels had their own personalities, I talked about it in my OP. But they were rapidly wiping that out as early as 2004, when Dog the Bounty Hunter came to A&E. At least with streaming you can get what you want.
 

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I stopped watching it entirely in 2008. I have cable included with my apartment now and I don't even have it hooked up anymore 🤷🏻‍♂️