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War With Iran: A Campaign Of Catastrophe
- Thread starter Hiphopopotamus
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More of them should have voted against Trump then, because he made this course clear.
Yeah lets start a war with Iran.
Surely this will end well. Not like our invasion of Iraq destabilized the entire region or anything. Invading Iran will just make the Middle East a better place. Also this will surely not be difficult and should only take 3 to 4 weeks max.
Surely this will end well. Not like our invasion of Iraq destabilized the entire region or anything. Invading Iran will just make the Middle East a better place. Also this will surely not be difficult and should only take 3 to 4 weeks max.
They both proved what everyone should have already known: that wars are politics pursued through armed conflict. You don't win a war just because you got a higher KDA than the other guy.
Well, I'm confident because the IDF lost. Like, that actually happened and everyone knows it. If you're just having trouble accepting it, you'll just have to come to terms with it on your own. No real point in going back in forth with you.
Oh ffs. Pulling out of the Iran Deal doesn't mean war. At least not between the US and Iran, that is incredibly unlikely for a ton of reasons we've gone over before. What it does mean though is the US further alienates our allies in the UK and EU, further destroys our international trust and credibility, and pushes Iran even more squarely into Russia's orbit. It's a total self own by the US for literally zero gain. So a Putin wet dream.
What were the goals in invading Iraq and what were the goals ion the 2006 war.
Iraq: Regime change in Iraq, an easy win for revenge-thirsty neoconservatives, a show of force
Lebanon: Punishment of the Lebanese people for supporting Hezbollah, an easy win for revenge-thirsty IDF, a show of force
Iran would be the richest, largest and most advanced nation to be invaded by the United States since WW2. Also probably the first nation to actually be able to threaten US mainland if they really wished to do it.
Pretty much. As of 2 pm, American soft power will be dead for a generation.
This statement is untrue
Israel was not pushed back, IDF was told to return because public support was withdrawn.
This statement is also laughable
IDF didn't get its ass handed to them. They destroyed key strongholds in southern lebanon and forced Hezbollah to retreat from the border.
The fact that the only evidence you guys have that IDF got its ass handed to them is that they didn't keep going is utterly laughable.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HJ13Ak01.html
Like, can you guys try to back your shit up instead of making claims you can't possibly back up.
Actually, the goal was retaliation for kidnapping soldiers in a border raid, but let's not bring facts into this discussion.
Hezbollah no longer has any presence in Israel's border with Lebanon, no strongholds, Lebanon military now has a presence there (which they were supposed to have), and hasn't led an attack in how many years?
But somehow the IDF lost? The fact that Nasrallah said this
This is as adorable as people saying the US forces were defeated in the Tet offensive.
Hardly anyone in America gives a second thought to Iran. I have no idea what it is they've done to deserve the US ire? I'm not stupid and I keep up with current events as much as possible but going to war with Iran for no particular reason seems, well, stupid.
Member has been banned (1 week): trolling. History of similar infractions.
Here we go with the statistics again. If you don't give a shit to do anything against your government's decisions except vote 'yes' or 'no' on a poll, I don't care about what thr majority of Americans think.
Ah moving to trolling because you can't actually muster up a response. I'll just report and move on.
As an American, I think we deserve this. We've been so naive for the past 60 or so years believing that we can just bully the world into getting what we want. Now that other countries are emerging as world leaders, we need a few decades to realize our standing in the world. American ignorance is at an all time high, and it needs to crash down hard.
Probably for the best at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
Our politics are too volatile right now.
Well that's incredibly childish but OK.
War isn't some first person shooter where the guy who got the most kills is declared the winner. War is politics. If Israel starts a war that turns out to be massively unpopular and has to withdraw, then Israel obviously lost that war.
Just like America in Iraq. Or America in Vietnam. You have to be a literal child to think that the winner of a war is the side who got the most kills.
Except no, that's not how it works. What courses have you taken to even suggest this is true?
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-strategic-victory-and-a-tactical-victory
https://www.npr.org/2018/01/29/5808...tical-defeat-the-tet-offensive-50-years-later
You will literally not see anyone with a modicum of understanding say that political objectives and military objectives are the same.
You have to be you to actually believe that there isn't a military victory in Hezbollah being dislodged from southern Lebanon, having a 2 to 1 ratio of casualties in a DEFENSIVE war, and being forced to have their own military leader say that yeah we probably shouldn't have done that. Literally, Hezbollah doesn't exist on the border and lost their strongholds. Do you actually know ANYTHING about the war? Lmao.
You can claim that Israel politically lost the war, but that has NOTHING to do with the fact that there is no evidence that IDF was pushed back or defeated by Hezbollah.
You're quoting a guy who believes that genocide is key to winning in Gaza but OKAY
Your first article also doesn't say anything like that lmao.
The ceasefire wasn't in place and the conflict was still ongoing when that NYT article was written, but the subtext was clear - Hezbollah was putting up a good fight and the authors seemed to know that. We know they would go on to be victorious once the conflict came to an end. Well, maybe you disagree but rock out, bud.
Except IDF forces didn't enter into a large-scale ground invasion until the first week of August, when the article was written.
This was also written before Hezbollah left the south and abandonded their strongholds.
You really should understand the difference between defeat and a bad performance.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ill-but-reality-is-more-complicated-1.5448210
That's استکبار جهانی for you. Lack of empathy and arrogancy are a huge part of American culture.
I'm still laughing that you thought to quote Giora "In Gaza, there is no such thing as innocent civilians" Eiland was a great idea.
Don't make things up in your head. I don't really care about typical racist attitudes that Zionist might hold, I was only interested in the admission he made.
Ok so you thought it would be smart to quote a man who honestly believes that massive losses of life are the only way to frame success in the middle east. OK.
So what is the right path of maintaining a modern army/air force/navy?