TheAbsolution

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President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to "find" enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking "a big risk."
Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office's general counsel rejected his assertions, explaining that Trump is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden's 12,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.
Trump dismissed their arguments.
"The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry," he said. "And there's nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you've recalculated."
Raffensperger responded: "Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong."
At another point, Trump said: "So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state."
The rambling, at times incoherent conversation, offered a remarkable glimpse of how consumed and desperate the president remains about his loss, unwilling or unable to let the matter go and still believing he can reverse the results in enough battleground states to remain in office.
During their conversation, Trump issued a vague threat to both Raffensperger and Ryan Germany, the secretary of state's legal counsel, suggesting that if they don't find that thousands of ballots in Fulton County have been illegally destroyed to block investigators — an allegation for which there is no evidence — they would be subject to criminal liability.
"That's a criminal offense," he said. "And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer."
Trump also told Raffensperger that failure to act by Tuesday would jeopardize the political fortunes of David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, Georgia's two Republican senators whose fate in that day's runoff elections will determine control of the U.S. Senate.
Trump said he plans to talk about the fraud on Monday, when he is scheduled to lead an election eve rally in Dalton, Ga. — a message that could further muddle the efforts of Republicans to get their voters out.
"You have a big election coming up and because of what you've done to the president -- you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam," Trump said. "Because of what you've done to the president, a lot of people aren't going out to vote, and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative, because they hate what you did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And they're going to vote. And you would be respected, really respected, if this can be straightened out before the election."
Throughout the call, Trump detailed an exhaustive list of disinformation and conspiracy theories to support his position. He claimed without evidence that he had won Georgia by at least a half-million votes. He floated a barrage of assertions that have been investigated and disproven: that thousands of dead people voted; that an Atlanta election worker scanned 18,000 forged ballots three times each and "100 percent" were for Biden; that thousands more voters living out of state came back to Georgia illegally just to vote in the election.
"So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election, and it's not fair to take it away from us like this," Trump said. "And it's going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that you're going to reexamine it, and you can reexamine it, but reexamine it with people that want to find answers, not people who don't want to find answers."
Trump did most of the talking on the call. He was angry and impatient, calling Raffensperger a "child" and "either dishonest or incompetent" for not believing there was widespread ballot fraud in Atlanta — and twice calling himself a "schmuck" for endorsing Kemp, whom Trump holds in particular contempt for not embracing his claims of fraud.
More at the article link - https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...5acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html
So tomorrow's rally will be fun.
 

Geist

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Oct 25, 2017
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Trump's trying really hard to self-destruct the GOP on his way out.
 

finalflame

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Oct 27, 2017
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was just coming to post this — what the actual fuck with this clown lmao
 

Stencil

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"Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims"

This is what death throes are like for political careers
 

Psamtik

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is so pathetic. Begging, bargaining, threatening, practically crying.

Straight up Hitler in the bunker shit.
 

jelly

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Oct 26, 2017
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Imagine what Trump is like in actual business, does he send the heavies in to beat you up and threaten your life and family if you don't do what he says?
 

onpoint

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What a fucking loser. Going through all the phases of grief in one phone call huh haha
 

Squarehard

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Oct 27, 2017
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The worst part here was having to listen to him for an hour on a phone call.

Conference call from hell.
 

JaredTaco

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Oct 27, 2017
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I know it's up for debate whether officials can be impeached after they've left office, but how about we test that theory out and impeach Trump again! I feel like trying to steal an election and pardoning a child murderer might be impeachable offenses.
 

jml

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Mar 9, 2018
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Imagine what Trump is like in actual business, does he send the heavies in to beat you up and threaten your life and family if you don't do what he says?
I think his strategy there is for his money/lawyers to just overwhelm people and he's extremely frustrated that this technique isn't working out here.
 

Casa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Pure mob shakedown and intimidation tactics.

Another "perfect call," I'm sure he'll say.
 

foxuzamaki

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Oct 25, 2017
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I thought this was all for the gift but he actually believes his own hype in this, that they literally stole votes from him. And this is a private phone call. Insane
 

jelly

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Oct 26, 2017
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What I dont understand is why he bothers with this election fraud narrative. He could declare the First Empire of Trump and zhe GOP and 40% of the US would instantly be rallying behind him.

It's for next time probably, it was all a fraud so make me President king next time! Also, he probably is that desperate to avoid criminal investigations even if they don't amount to him going to prison and also, he can't make any money except from his idiot base making donations. The magnifying glass is on his corrupt business, he is fucked.
 

ivantod

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't really get what he gains by winning Georgia. Doesn't he still lose the election anyway? Or is the idea to create some kind of domino effect and the thinking is that then more states will "fall"?

EDIT: Just listened to the audio. Fuck me, this guy (I mean Trump) is pathetic. He's literally begging for them to do a crime for him.
 

Plinko

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Oct 28, 2017
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THIS IS WHO HE IS.

This is how he has gotten where he is. He threatens and bullies people into dropping lawsuits or giving him what he wants.

You cannot do that with an election.
 

Psamtik

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Oct 27, 2017
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Imagine what Trump is like in actual business, does he send the heavies in to beat you up and threaten your life and family if you don't do what he says?

It was actually hilarious that he thought that Justices of the Supreme Court would just owe him favors like the members of a zoning board.
 

Palette Swap

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Oct 25, 2017
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This guy is on the money lol, this is so depressing :
But experts said Trump's clearer transgression is a moral one. Edward B. Foley, a law professor at the Ohio State University, said that the legal questions are murky and would be subject to prosecutorial discretion. But he also emphasized that the call was "inappropriate and contemptible" and should prompt moral outrage.
"He was already tripping the emergency meter," Foley said. "So we were at 12 on a scale of 1 to 10, and now we're at 15."
 

BlueTsunami

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Oct 29, 2017
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Dudes leaning on them in this call going as far as saying there will be retribution for not calling it in his favor. I should be shocked but I ain't.
 

Alucrid

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ZeoVGM

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WaPo - ‘I just want to find 11,780 votes’: In extraordinary hour-long call, Trump pressures Georgia SOS to recalculate the vote in his favor

More at the article link - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html So tomorrow's rally will be fun.

Yes, it was posted at just about the same time. Mods will likely merge the threads.