I guess you could see it as a good sign that they can get someone like that. I certainly hope they do well in the future.
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As far as ROI though, it's pretty clear.
DKCTF certainly cost a hell of a lot less than Astral Chain ever did (unless AC was done like a Suda project or something, that also doesn't mean TF was super cheap as well).
Well Tropical Freeze was a port while AC was a new IP so it was a nonsensical and unfair comparison in the first place. Especially since whatever sales TF made probably doesn't make up for running Retro for nearly a decade with no releases (granted they have supported other games and are in the middle of developing MP4 and possibly the MP1 remaster/remake) in Austin, Texas which has to be expensive
That depends entirely on the developer and project. Like BOTW was a GAAS and the only thing it lacked was the classic costumes which were only accessible via mods on PC or by engaging with the pricy amiibos that give you one item a day. Otherwise as is the product without feeding into the monetization is still the largest Zelda game ever. Execution will always matter and not every game becomes a grindfest if you don't engage with the monetization. Pretty sure most people who work in that field realize that that would be a very bad idea.
What about BotW was GAAS? Or are you counting all games with season passes as GAAS?
feels like a stretch to treat BotW as GaaS when the Service part is either the DLCs or the amiibos that quickly became unavailable and tappered waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before BotW did (seriously BotW is STILL a top selling Switch game in EVERY region)
Granted the argument can be made.
The comparison wasn't AC vs DKCTF but DKCTF vs everything P* made for Nintendo.
I imagine that comparison includes both Bayo rereleases (I know it's Sega but still).
Still the difference is that Retros is wholly owned and provides products Nintendo wouldn't make otherwise, they have good reasons to keep Retros around or it would have closed already (or Retros' CEO is really chummy with top management at Nintendo).
Regardless no games made by Retro or P* were made with direct bottom line in mind, the games are made to provide more incentives for people to engage with Nintendo's platform.
Otherwise Nintendo would only release Mario Kart and Animal Crossing games
Astral Chain apparently surpassed sales expectations by hitting 1 million so I doubt it was that expensive
Astral Chain had to be more expensive than a port of a WiiU game though.
By Nintendo's own definition of how they define the term:
Pre-release BOTW not only had a public roadmap for content releases, they also released free updates that just happened to come in between the big expansions. On top of all of that, the way the Amiibos function in BOTW literally encourages you to come back very specifically, every 24 hours to randomly receive a classic item from other Zelda games. For all itents and purposes, and by Nintendo's own definition, BOTW is a game with a post launch monetization scheme. Which is the universally agreed on definition of how we define games that fall under the term as more and more game publishers/developers realized that the fire/forget model, that say, Skyward Sword falls under, wasn't as sustainable as game development got more and more expensive. And according to Nintendo, they're planning on doubling down on this so I'll eat a hat if we don't get an even more post launch support for BOTW 2. Now how would Platinum handle this is unknown. As their only real attempts at doing so were mostly MP focused games, even though they're a studio that specializes in SP games. Like maybe a roadmap for extra playable characters/content?
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That's actually a very good point.
Interestingly enough daily activities is something that will make me drop a game faster than if there was nothing at all.
BotW is the one example where I actually stuck to it.
The fact that the daily shit was just literally a random reward and not a pointless shitty quest probably helped.
The game is also so big exhausting the base content take a regular player months!
Hence my saying that execution is super important. People would probably raise an eyebrow if say, the amiibo system was presented, UI wise, like a daily quest in something like Fortnite.
At the end of the day, it's a mix between lootbox, daily quest and collectable.
By all rights, it should be an abomination that makes the game predatory more than anything.
the unique nature of amiibo means that the more games implemented the feature, the more valuable they are to a player (I already had most of what I have because Mario Maker anyway).
Still, it's interesting to see that BotW worked so much better as a GaaS product than Odyssey which didn't really manage to retain players nearly as much (all things being equal, we're talking about top 0.1% of games so discussion about quality is down to preference).
That's most likely because the post launch support for Mario Odyssey was a lot less extensive than their other titles.
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Which is weird all things considered.
They've been extremely conservative with 3D Mario for some reason.That's most likely because the post launch support for Mario Odyssey was a lot less extensive than their other titles.
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Which is weird all things considered.
2D Mario dabbled in DLC packs since NSMB2 in 2012 but they still kept all 3D Mario free of significant post launch support though.
It's not like Nintendo is against including platform specific gimmicks in 3D Mario, we had streetpass support in Mario 3D Land and Miiverse integration in 3D World after all.
Heck they included Toycon support for Odyssey!
And we do know that it's not like they had exhausted all possible ideas for Odyssey either.
At this point we can only speculate but it feels like they want to keep doing 3D Mario games like they always did.
It's a big enough property where that's possible but it feels like being a bit more bullish on conventions could make 3D Mario explode like BotW did for Zelda.
Even weirder because I assumed they were just going the odyssey 2 route instead of DLC but 5 years later…nothing
I mean we had a pattern with the Galaxy games but nope.
They discovered they could give WiiU games a longer lease on shelves and added a significant mode to that project instead.
It's been a year so it's safe to assume that Odyssey is not getting anything more and they're working on the next step for 3D Mario.
Lord knows what they have in mind for 2D Mario because it's been a while since they stopped supporting Mario Maker 2
So putting aside some of the massive reaches of logic in the OP, from where the heck comes this notion that Platinum is begging to be acquired or otherwise desperate for it? I see that idea has become widespread on these boards and it honestly doesn't make any sense to me.
Like, sure, Inaba has said that he won't say no to an acquisition provided Platinum still retains enough freedom to do their thing. But if anything, most of their recent actions seem to indicate that they are desperately trying to remain independent and become a self-publishing company. Indeed, both their interest in GAAS and many of the misfires they have had in the past couple of years seem to be the result of that desire, they have just gone really badly at all that.
Anyway, I hope this new hire actually works for them. Honestly, it seems to me that what they need the most to reach their goals is someone with managerial and bussiness acumen, so hopefully Yamane will provide some of that.
I also really hope that Bayonetta 3 manages to be a hit, because the negativity some people here have regarding the studio is becoming really tiresome.
Like, sure, Inaba has said that he won't say no to an acquisition provided Platinum still retains enough freedom to do their thing. But if anything, most of their recent actions seem to indicate that they are desperately trying to remain independent and become a self-publishing company. Indeed, both their interest in GAAS and many of the misfires they have had in the past couple of years seem to be the result of that desire, they have just gone really badly at all that.
Anyway, I hope this new hire actually works for them. Honestly, it seems to me that what they need the most to reach their goals is someone with managerial and bussiness acumen, so hopefully Yamane will provide some of that.
I also really hope that Bayonetta 3 manages to be a hit, because the negativity some people here have regarding the studio is becoming really tiresome.
they probably feel that need because being the premiere action game company doesn't translate into sales while much less good action games sell and review much better by being more accessible and marketable
It's sold 3.42 million and counting. The latest numbers are from the end of 2020 and it sold like 400k copies in the second half of that year. It's likely over 4 million now. Regardless, this was mostly a joke given Retro got brought up for some reason.
Oh well nevermind then it's definitely blown away whatever profit the Platinum games have made lol
Well, honestly speaking, Platinum absolutely does need a management shake-up. I just don't feel like they've been in a particularly good place lately. Now, whether this hire or their supposed increased focus on live service is going to help them along a new AND better direction, we'll have to see.
Certainly I've liked their Nintendo-associated output the best in recent years, but this hire doesn't necessarily imply a closer partnership between the two companies.
That is, unless the licensing that is going to be managed is Nintendo licensing...
Certainly I've liked their Nintendo-associated output the best in recent years, but this hire doesn't necessarily imply a closer partnership between the two companies.
That is, unless the licensing that is going to be managed is Nintendo licensing...
I don't think it's so much of management, they just need a stream of revenue. If they can get a deal that guarantees the funding for their next 3 projects, like Remedy did with Epic for example, I think they can deliver high quality games. But as of now, they're always running after a publisher for their next project, all while being very behind with technology of the industry.
now that you mention it, crazy how they missed out on the Epic funding train. maybe the next one
Aren't you jumping the gun a bit much to suggest that hiring a former Nintendo executive equals to Platinum eventually being acquired by them?
As far as LinkedIn goes, he's still at Nintendo.
In other word, he's leaving Nintendo for Platinium.
fortunately there's a new bayonetta game releasing in 3 months
Like always, you want more?
Then just buy the goddamn game.
At the end of the day, even Metroid fans got that.
This doesn't make a lick of sense
That's not how any of this works
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I dunno how to post a gif lol. but if Nintendo thinks BotW is a GaaS then I don't think they understand the term. That's a bigger stretch then the one in the OP lol
I'm one of the dozens who believes you OP!
In isolation it's quite a leap. With everything building up to it, I'd give it above a 50% chance.
In isolation it's quite a leap. With everything building up to it, I'd give it above a 50% chance.
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I dunno how to post a gif lol. but if Nintendo thinks BotW is a GaaS then I don't think they understand the term. That's a bigger stretch then the one in the OP lol
From a pure production PoV, BotW is pretty much a GaaS when it was released.
It's not that different from how they handled Spatoon games albeit with a different frequency on updates.
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I dunno how to post a gif lol. but if Nintendo thinks BotW is a GaaS then I don't think they understand the term. That's a bigger stretch then the one in the OP lol
The poster you're responding to has tried in the past to redefine GaaS to mean literally any game that has had any kind of updates as some kind of weird way to destigmatize the term; this included arguing with people for several pages that Elden Ring having balance and bug fix patches made it a GaaS.Cant Hold Back Photo: Cant Hold Laughter Back Sarcasticsadness2_zpsa2dd36f3.gif ... | Gfycat
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I dunno how to post a gif lol. but if Nintendo thinks BotW is a GaaS then I don't think they understand the term. That's a bigger stretch then the one in the OP lol
What? They're continuing the trend of being disappointing by hiring a new exec?
Weird how the rhetoric on platinum games has totally shifted since their best work landed exclusively on Nintendo systems (even though their output is overall no better or worse than it ever was)
I think they're very intimately familiar with the term considering they've had several ones going at the same time for years. GAAS isn't solely reserved to loot boxes and battlepasses or even multiplayer.
It generally means a slew of plans to make more revenue from a title post launch. And Nintendo got very good at doing that without you know, catching any sort of controversy at least to my knowledge.
The term doesn't need to be destigmatized in the first place. Developers have genuinely already normalized it just like when they normalized dlc during the ps3/360 console generation despite the initial backlash of horse armor.
Eventually people stop getting angry at the idea of it because turns out the vast majority of devs aren't willing to compromise every aspect of their game for the sake of post launch revenue controversial titles not withstanding the vast amount of successful attempts across various genres.
We're so long past the days of fire and forget releases being the norm in the AAA market that I can't believe this is even considered debatable even with multiple devs on this very forum co-signing what I've said.
And remember this thread is literally about a developer whose talking about investing in that because their own traditional business model and way of handling game releases isn't sustainable for the future. This is the current state of the industry because turns out it worked out for a ton of major studio. If platinum announced an expansion pass featuring a timeline of content updates that you have to pay for. People probably wouldn't be mad. And of Babylon's Fall was actually good they'd be examining what made it work and how to apply that to other games.
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