Pals like this don't remotely look like Pokémon but of course no one is gonna talk about these and act like they're all shameless clones.
Lmao no way.
Pals like this don't remotely look like Pokémon but of course no one is gonna talk about these and act like they're all shameless clones.
AI was most likely not used for creature design, but the poster never claimed AI was being used for the visuals. This tweet indicates that their team did in fact use AI during 2023 while Palworld was still in active development, seemingly for text related work. Whether any of it is in the game itself is of course impossible to verify.
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Pals like this don't remotely look like Pokémon but of course no one is gonna talk about these and act like they're all shameless clones.
Pals like this don't remotely look like Pokémon but of course no one is gonna talk about these and act like they're all shameless clones.
But again, everyone here celebrated when Winnie and Mickey went public domain and had lazy low hanging fruit copies.
And even then, a lot of people here are doing Palworld a disservice considering plenty of the designs are original. If you want to cherry pick for an agenda you could easily make a similar argument for Temtem.
Nobody is talking about the "original" designs because that's not really relevant? "but what about the ones that aren't obviously Pokémon?" yeah? what about them? Is there a requirement for every single asset to be unoriginal for scrutiny to be given the ok?
I won't speak for that specific poster, but it would be extremely disingenuous to pretend that the majority of posters mentioning AI aren't doing so in the context of creating the Pokemon-inspired models. Also, "using AI" is such a catch-all that it's essentially meaningless. Many (most) developers use Chat GPT and/or Copilot to assist in their development, and I don't think most people (rightfully) have a problem with that. AI discussions are virtually always centered on art, and this thread is no exception.
I don't think you're thinking ahead. In the reverse of this situation, what would stop a big corp from just stealing small studios designs constantly, knowing they'd be unable to defend themselves sufficiently if not for copyright protections?The whole concept of copyright protection and accusations of plagiarism serves more to the maintenance of the power of the big corps than to defend the rights of the small artist. This is a situation where literally the only ones "hurt" (in quotations cause that does not really hurt TPC either) are an big corp, I would be glad for a small studio making bank of them even if they had a carbon copy of Pikachu in the cover.
Every artist knows that every creature you design grants you one Pokecredit.Nobody is talking about the "original" designs because that's not really relevant? "but what about the ones that aren't obviously Pokémon?" yeah? what about them? Is there a requirement for every single asset to be unoriginal for scrutiny to be given the ok?
... Many (most) developers use Chat GPT and/or Copilot to assist in their development, and I don't think most people (rightfully) have a problem with that. AI discussions are virtually always centered on art, and this thread is no exception.
I won't speak for that specific poster, but it would be extremely disingenuous to pretend that the majority of posters mentioning AI aren't doing so in the context of creating the Pokemon-inspired models. Also, "using AI" is such a catch-all that it's essentially meaningless. Many (most) developers use Chat GPT and/or Copilot to assist in their development, and I don't think most people (rightfully) have a problem with that. AI discussions are virtually always centered on art, and this thread is no exception.
And even then, a lot of people here are doing Palworld a disservice considering plenty of the designs are original. If you want to cherry pick for an agenda you could easily make a similar argument for Temtem.
The first one has Empoleon's crest on its head.
Pals like this don't remotely look like Pokémon but of course no one is gonna talk about these and act like they're all shameless clones.
that's simply because we are talking about the shameless clones
Pals like this don't remotely look like Pokémon but of course no one is gonna talk about these and act like they're all shameless clones.
But again, everyone here celebrated when Winnie and Mickey went public domain and had lazy low hanging fruit copies.
And even then, a lot of people here are doing Palworld a disservice considering plenty of the designs are original. If you want to cherry pick for an agenda you could easily make a similar argument for Temtem.
Copyright laws often fail to actually protect small creators. A case that I remember very well was that one Netflix series, 1899 copied a lot of elements of a small indie comic from my country called Black Silence. Did copyright laws help? Of course not, 1899 was cancelled because it underperfomed and the creator of Black Silence never saw a single dime her way.I don't think you're thinking ahead. In the reverse of this situation, what would stop a big corp from just stealing small studios designs constantly, knowing they'd be unable to defend themselves sufficiently if not for copyright protections?
If this precedent were to be set, the precedent that there was no plagiarism here or that plagiarism is actually this easy to get away with, it opens a two way street.
Pals like this don't remotely look like Pokémon but of course no one is gonna talk about these and act like they're all shameless clones.
The first one has Empoleon's crest on its head.
If the other two have components modeled after Pokemon, I don't know, but I do think it's telling that even when people cherrypick examples in a disingenuous attempt to make Palworld look more original than it is, they still end up picking an example with obvious cribbing. It speaks to how endemic this is to Palworld's approach to creature design; you don't have to look for the Pals who are ripping off Pokemon, you have to look for the ones that aren't.
View: https://x.com/iuckyhd/status/1749266070676922479?s=46
There may actually be a plagiarism case in this example.
The problem isn't that it's "another spikey wolf", it's that of ALL the ways to CREATE a wolf character, theirs looks damn near like the one you posted. Look at the Dreamworks one and clearly they aren't a "reused/repurposed" asset. And this isn't just the one singular Pokemon, but with TONS of Pals having features distinctly and uniquely seen on other Pokemon. It's rearranged parts, bashed together..
Even Splatoon took its time to redesign weapons, this game is just lifting models from real weapons it seems lol
There are a fair amount that look very close to the original models. That doesn't happen accidentally. Either they tried to replicate it exactly (why?) or its questionable asset usage.
View: https://x.com/iuckyhd/status/1749266070676922479?s=46
There may actually be a plagiarism case in this example.
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There may actually be a plagiarism case in this example.
OpenAI says it’s “impossible” to create useful AI models without copyrighted material
"Copyright today covers virtually every sort of human expression" and cannot be avoided.arstechnica.com
Sure, i guess if people don't care about stealing, then it's all good!
That's not true at all. Why would you even post something so completely wrong?
Sure, i guess if people don't care about stealing, then it's all good!
Is it just me or is this thing riffing both a Pokemon and Temtem design (don't know if I'm not the first to point this out either):They're so....bizarre. Like the Avatar series' animal mash-ups, but without the creative intent (and directness), it's Frankenstein's Pokemon.
Like it's already a duck, why the beaver tail? (And then all the other extra superfluous appendages). Oh right, legally distinct.
Is it just me or is this thing riffing both a Pokemon and Temtem design (don't know if I'm not the first to point this out either):
I am not sure what the two of you are arguing against. Do you not agree that the majority of AI discussions (and subsequent pushback) on Era are related to art and artists, including in this topic? It does this thread a disservice to constantly mention AI when it's largely irrelevant to the alleged theft. I don't think that's an outlandish point; in fact many eloquent posters against what Palworld did, were also trying to steer the discussion away from AI.
I am not sure what the two of you are arguing against. Do you not agree that the majority of AI discussions (and subsequent pushback) on Era are related to art and artists, including in this topic? It does this thread a disservice to constantly mention AI when it's largely irrelevant to the alleged theft. I don't think that's an outlandish point; in fact many eloquent posters against what Palworld did, were also trying to steer the discussion away from AI.
I personally think what people actually worry about this is if even Nintendo can't do anything about this , literally noone probably can and this will just open a can of worm
Frankly the AI talk surrounding this game comes off as totally witch hunty, and I feel it's definitely going to come back around some day in a way that only further hurts artists.
I think Dinga Bakaba (of Arkane) had a pretty measured take:
View: https://x.com/dbakaba/status/1749122283346473182?s=46
Not sure what there is to argue, unless you want to nitpick the term "most":What I'm arguing against is the specifically the "Many (most) developers use Chat GPT and/or Copilot to assist in their development," part. That line specifically, I didn't mean to include the rest.
Frankly the AI talk surrounding this game comes off as totally witch hunty, and I feel it's definitely going to come back around some day in a way that only further hurts artists.
I think Dinga Bakaba (of Arkane) had a pretty measured take:
View: https://x.com/dbakaba/status/1749122283346473182?s=46
Frankly the AI talk surrounding this game comes off as totally witch hunty, and I feel it's definitely going to come back around some day in a way that only further hurts artists.
I think Dinga Bakaba (of Arkane) had a pretty measured take:
View: https://x.com/dbakaba/status/1749122283346473182?s=46
Dunno why so many people are wasting time explaining that the game doesn't play like Pokemon. At no point during the promotion of the game did they advertise it as playing like Pokemon. I don't know anybody who thought it plays like Pokemon except for people who just heard "Pokemon with guns" and then proceeded to look up anything else about the game.
The entire discussion is about how the Pals are ripoffs of Pokemon, and that's indisputable. This person's just dismissing concerns about that by claiming Palworld's a parody.
I loved Deathloop, but trying to defend what Pocketpair has done with basically every single one of their games is dumb.
This thread is filled with so many logical fallacies i'm legitimately impressed (and embarassed for the staff working below him at Arkane, so disappointing to see from a notable studio lead). Starting with the bold Digimon comparison (you can tell he has never engaged with anything Digimon related in his life beyond absorbing the 90s anime rivalry), widely dismissing any design similarities as being natural for parody (I really do not think Spaceballs is the apt comparison he believes it to be), and the accusation of racism motivating responses to the game due to the studio being Japanese (come on man). Don't have to mention the unironic use of that Dragon Quest comparison since it's been covered.
My favourite part though; he's totally going to disapprove of the game if the use of AI is proven (silently and from the sidelines of course, wouldn't want to make too much of a stink...) but if they only ripped off those designs the old fashioned way it's alright then. The double standard and clear posturing on AI usage is unreal, and he's not alone there (if you are someone who believes there would only be an issue here if AI was used, seriously take a minute to think about why many artists are against the use of image generation to begin with).
View: https://x.com/DBakaba/status/1749122315026108481
Cherry on top, of course, being that the use of AI in Palworld's production (not for creature design, yet, generating a script for the opening cutscene in this case) is already known:
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It's unbelievable how such a popular studio lead is so out of touch with the industry and the games within it. To the point of saying you "catch creatures" on Xenoblade or using the DQ / Pokémon picture completely unironically. This game is making people lose their minds.
Did he actually use the Dragon Quest meme as a serious argument?
View: https://x.com/DBakaba/status/1749122304049664263?s=20
Dinga making potentially one of the worst comparisons here. Spaceballs was famously carefully navigated and approved of with George Lucas' aid. His one request was that the film not produce saleable merchandise:
Spaceballs would straight up not have happened without Lucas' approval and assistance.
Not to say the rest of his twitter thread isn't disappointing but this one really stuck out to me as a "you just do not get it" moment.
You grab the original assets and make small tweaks. You'd have to be -stupid- not to make any tweaks.
Anything that isn't directly welded on is easy to remove so it makes sense. You can get rips of basically all pokemon, strip them down to their basic parts, and then mix and match. To be perfectly honest with you, kinda surprised it's taken like 10 years for someone to do this.One of the tweaks was removing the pearls that tie the hair together, so now there are just inexplicable dents in the hair.
Yeah parody is a legit thing not just a defense you come up with after the factIt seems like years ago, but I was confused about the parody angle and said so in a couple of threads prior to the game's release.
Yeah parody is a legit thing not just a defense you come up with after the fact
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There may actually be a plagiarism case in this example.