Not nearly enough, the people voting Tories didn't give a shit about bigotry. It just shows how bad the UK is.
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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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I did have a choice and voted liberal but please that doesn't fit with rhetoric so carry on.
She would have shat it anyway.
Better Together politicians don't keep their promises.
Fuck. England.
Little englanders and their fucking colonialism mentality are a cancer.
Thanks, Got married (to empressdonna ) back in July but only just now getting around to our Honeymoon, wanted to do it before Brexit officially started. Looks like we were right to (middle of Jan we're going)
Try being disabled and dealing with the Tory run DWP, the Health Assessment system, PIP, ESA, etc and then t ry saying that again.
I'm justified in my venting. If you don't understand why then don't post this upsetting drivel that people like me who are upset about this are being immature and should grow up when we're the ones who will be hurt by the party ENGLAND mostly voted for.
I'll start looking for jobs. Although moving is more difficult, I'm the 1% of Gen Y that rents off the bank ("owns" a home).
They also need a leader with the charisma of Tony Stark. Instead of New Labour, or Labour they need something like Neo Labour or something that says "we're not Blair" (even though they are) and we're not Corbyn either.
Obviously given the way that constituency was divided people should have voted Labour. But Labour doesn't have a divine right to the liberal vote and they sure as shit don't have one to the remain vote. With at best fuck all to say on civil liberties, the geniuses behind the Iraq War, ID cards and mass surveillance they are not a liberal party and diverge from the Lib Dems dramatically on economic policy. No one has stolen shit. This will continue until Labour changes.
The illusion of choice. Most marginal seats in England were Tory or Labour and the Lib Dem vote removed votes that would have secured Labour seats.
Scotland and Northern Ireland deserve to be free from British rule. They don't deserve to go along with whatever misery Little England is trying to bring upon them.
The multi-party system screws UK politics up so hard with FPTP. The opposition parties need to coalesce into one, at least in England. Be like the Dems in the US - Big Tent politics that skews towards liberal, non-white and skilled job white. This is essentially what the Right did (Brexit Party non-competing with the Conservatives).
Well, so much for help with starting a family next year I guess. I'm fairly well placed to ride out the coming shitstorm compared to many but I fear for those who need and deserve help the most. Glad I took that new job in August.
At least Swinson lost her seat
I wonder if Keir Starmer will come out of hiding and try for leader next time around?
At least Swinson lost her seat
I wonder if Keir Starmer will come out of hiding and try for leader next time around?
I'd list the many horrors of a decade of Tory rule, but I doubt you're actually arsed are you? I could tell you how one of my cousins who's a physician associate is having to fucking prescribe FOOD to people in England in 2019 to allow them access to food banks because of how much the Tories have decimated the welfare system, but what do you care about that? People will die as a result of this ya cunt.
Scotland might have an unofficial one, but Boris has to agree to any official one. So effectively none.
My mum is coming down today - she's a Tory whose constituency stayed blue in Berwickshire. Feel like just not opening the door.
Lol. Libs now ex leader was basically a Tory. You also have ex Tories in Libs.
What year are you living in? This is 2019, not 2005. Corbyn's Labour Party is a completely different party from Blair's Labour Party. Blair was a centrist. Corbyn is the most left-wing leader that Labour has had in decades. You're confusing two completely different Labour Parties.
I mean, the Republicans lost the midterms quite decisively, and have a base of rural poor and people who are racists, which is shrinking relative to ethnic minorities and African Americans (the former can vote Dem sometimes, the latter vote Dem en masse consistently).
And it's not like England would be worse in a two-party system.
You just listed three policies that have nothing to do with the current Labour leadership BECAUSE it changed so much.
The only thing left is to become the Tories with red rosettes it seems because that's what wins elections.
U.S just had Obama as president for 8 years. I don't think that would have happened with a 3-4 party system at least not the way it is set up.
And you're confusing left wing with liberal, which have often been at complete odds through history.
Can someone explain this (https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50766203) in context of all the 'fuck Wales' posts? This is not my area of expertise, and I'm almost certainly missing a lot of context, but why are Welsh people being blamed so heavily for the results tonight?
Open the door, we did well, all the more reason to point out to Scottish Tories they will never have a majority here.
This is the worst Conservative party I've seen in my lifetime coming off of 10 years of horrendous leadership and an inhumane transformation of the UK. More the reason to rub every Scottish Tories face in their loss here. Even family members.
Nicola is a competent leader, her and the SNP MPs will make Boris' life hell internally and on an international stage if he truly tries to be a dictator over Scotland.
English people telling us we will never escape them haven't seen Scottish people angry/determined.
Divide and rule. That's what happened. The Tories won by dividing the liberal votes between Labour and Lib Dems, instead of uniting the liberal votes behind Labour. That's what gave the Tories a dominant victory.
Welsh votes tend to align quite a bit with English ones, but generally that's due to English retirees.
What are you on about? Corbyn is the most liberal leader that Labour has had in decades. Stop confusing Corbyn's Labour Party with Blair's Labour Party. Two very different parties.
Wales voted for Brexit, so there's a lot of anger from Remain and Scotland crowds.
I'm not so sure about this. Once he's out of campaign mode (where he needs to pretend he cares about all the nations of the UK), he might very well come to see Scotland as a place he can afford to lose. Conservatives there are outnumbered and can no longer claim to be a growing party. Johnson might figure that a referendum that removes Scotland from the UK would be a good way of severely reducing the size of his political opposition.
He's probably also sufficiently badly informed that he feels Scotland is a net drain on the UK economy. If not, he will at least be aware that this is a common illusory belief among his party, and that many would secretly welcome Scottish independence on the false basis that it would save the UK money.
Westminster will never give up oil and gas money.
America goes to war with brown people over oil.
It's still the blood money of the world. The Tories don't care about the Scottish people, they care about the Scottish resources.
Hard to see a recovery for Labour even in 5 years. The Tories are gonna ram through "voting reform" aka suppression on top of requiring I.D. to vote. We'll never see the Russian interference report. And they'll blame everything for the next 5 years on an EU conspiracy to fuck us over for leaving, pushed by the tabloids. Bet it won't be long before some cunt starts talking about fox hunting as well. Say goodbye to all but the bare minimum for climate change. With all the EU rules and regs will die, RIP food standards.
Aside from a personal scandal to Boris, which apart from murdering someone live on TV is not likely to stick, or some kind of scandal on the scale of expenses, we're just straight up fucked. Literally just proved that Tories can say whatever the fuck they want and nothing will happen, and there'll be no more "honourable resignations" anymore i.e. Patel under May.
Fucked for the foreseeable.
Aside from a personal scandal to Boris, which apart from murdering someone live on TV is not likely to stick, or some kind of scandal on the scale of expenses, we're just straight up fucked. Literally just proved that Tories can say whatever the fuck they want and nothing will happen, and there'll be no more "honourable resignations" anymore i.e. Patel under May.
Fucked for the foreseeable.
Good stuff, around 50 was the top of my expectation range, so I'm pleased.
He might well think all that but it would require him to go against the entire history of the Conservative and Unionist party. It would require a massive change that would - probably - go down very badly with lots of his MPs and the public.
What baffles me, and this is purely based on anecdotal evidence from my own area, was the amount of wealthier/middle class friends and neighbors who were more vocally Labour.
Not to add to the class warfare, but years from now there is a fascinating book I hope to read exploring the phenomena of the poorer and working class who went Tory
Not to add to the class warfare, but years from now there is a fascinating book I hope to read exploring the phenomena of the poorer and working class who went Tory
Just woke up after like 5 hours' sleep. Dread to ask but how's it looking? I haven't looked at my phone because the Apple News alert might kill me.
Labour have nothing or very little to say about civil liberties and are radically socialist. If you think Lib Dem's have stolen votes that are somehow rightfully yours because we all agree in equal rights then you don't understand the Lib Dem's or the voters you think should vote Labour.
edit I say this as someone who would happily vote Labour if I was required to do so tactically.
Very slim majorities in a few of those remaining Tory seats as well.
It will also require him to be a little Englander dictator that the whole world sees basically holding a country hostage to plunder it at his will.
Don't underestimate just how much damage the UK might do to itself on the international stage if enough of Scotland gets its act together and displays it wants out.
Plus I know non fucked up English people will lend Scotland a hand in the years to come when it gets worse. The Union is going to become a humanitarian crisis. A democratic outrage for the world to see if all the takes of "Scotland can never escape us" are to be believed.
I think the only way things change in the foreseeable future is civil unrest in a way that the UK has never seen... Something that makes the Poll Tax riots of Thatcher's reign look like a peaceful protest. And the only way I can see that happening is economic crash and large-scale food and medicine shortages, due to Brexit.
Bojo is going to get brexit done with his glorious majority, cant you tell how excited we all are
Buckle up for the next 5 years
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