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U.S. violates JCPOA; Trump withdraws from Iran nuclear deal & reimposes economic sanctions (UPDATE)
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The 40+ special elections that Democrats have won throughout this country would like to have a word with you.
It makes sense that somebody like you would think this way, but America is actually supposed to be a democracy of sorts. Just FYI.
Not to mention Trump has some of the most unpopular agenda of any President in recent memory and is likely the cause of a shift back to blue...
We know limited strikes wouldn't do squat to Iran's nuclear program though. You need massive sustained strikes followed by ground operations.
So how is this better? Until today Iran was completely compliant with the agreement, it has been 3 years and they haven't developed any nuclear weapons, and couldn't even start for another 7-12 years.
Isn't it better to not let them have access to that stuff for almost a decade rather than completely backpedaling on an agreement giving them full authority to go ahead and start developing the things that we were so against to begin with?
Because people like him don't give a fuck about brown people or others as long as they are in power. They don't care about facts. This is the real face of America: ignorant and racist.
Israel runs this shit, my man. Say what you will about Russia but we already have two documented instances of Trump and Israeli collusion (undermining Obama at the UN - but they ignored it and solely focused on Flynn contacting the Russian ambassador) and the now the Black Cube fiasco looks to be the same shit.
Just found a new Vox article that I think explains the situation quite well. In regards to the violation bit:
Obama made a long post five minutes ago:
There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That's why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.
The reality is clear. The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense. The JCPOA is in America's interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran's nuclear program. And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea. Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.
That is why today's announcement is so misguided. Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America's closest allies, and an agreement that our country's leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated. In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next. But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America's credibility, and puts us at odds with the world's major powers.
Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive. So it's important to review several facts about the JCPOA.
First, the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran. It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.
Second, the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran's nuclear program. For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran's nuclear program and achieved real results.
Third, the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran's nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran's entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.
Fourth, Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal, and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire. The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won't happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.
Finally, the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran. We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors. But that's precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained. Our ability to confront Iran's destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.
Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America's own security; and trigger an arms race in the world's most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran's nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.
In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies. Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe.
There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That's why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.
The reality is clear. The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense. The JCPOA is in America's interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran's nuclear program. And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea. Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.
That is why today's announcement is so misguided. Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America's closest allies, and an agreement that our country's leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated. In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next. But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America's credibility, and puts us at odds with the world's major powers.
Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive. So it's important to review several facts about the JCPOA.
First, the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran. It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.
Second, the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran's nuclear program. For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran's nuclear program and achieved real results.
Third, the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran's nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran's entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.
Fourth, Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal, and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire. The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won't happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.
Finally, the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran. We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors. But that's precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained. Our ability to confront Iran's destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.
Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America's own security; and trigger an arms race in the world's most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran's nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.
In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies. Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe.
I keep hearing this, but isn't James Mattis one of the most hard-edged people against Iran in the military? I remember reading that he despises the Iranian government as a Marine because of their association with the deaths of hundreds of Marines in Lebanon during the Reagan years. It's amazing how that was allowed to happen under a Republican president where a Democrat would have been impeached and hung for allowing such a blunder to happen.
That's all the vindication this administration needed. The repercussions matter not. Papa Kremlin will still be there with open arms when the dust is settled.
Luckily that Obama statement is too long for Trump to read - and therefore react to.
I do expect some unhinged tweets soon though.
I do expect some unhinged tweets soon though.
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It was one of his big campain promises so it makes sense. Im not to familiar with the deal so i could care less tbh.
Oh shit, not good. I'm surprised he waded into this mess.
Trump snapping back on twitter damned quick.
Trump must be hard as fuck right now knowing Obama doesn't approve.
Apparently Air Strikes are currently happening south of damascus. Looks like someone is bombing a regime convoy.
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/993932018227597313
Israel really pushing for war now.
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/993932018227597313
Israel really pushing for war now.
Thanks for showing everyone your true colors, you two. Hope you both get banned.
Trump supporters like the both of you make me sick.
i appreciate obamas words but wish they were more direct. call trump a thoughtless pathetic toothpaste/orangejuice poptart already
that's all true. Me saying he is probably the most sane doesn't mean that's he's good, but his comments on the Iran deal are very surprising.
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/385094-mattis-defends-iran-deal-as-trump-considers-withdrawal
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Then you are a fucking idiot.
A thought I've been having on this is, Putin ain't all that smart. Like yeah, he did all he could to get an ultra-nationalistic buffoon into the White House, and now that buffoon is playing right into Israel and Saudi Arabia's playbook to hurt Putin's friends.
The EU and China have to stand their ground on this. I'm sure other countries will as well.
The EU and China have to stand their ground on this. I'm sure other countries will as well.
God damn, I miss Obama. Hell, I miss the president being able to speak in complete sentences.
Doing things out of spite isn't an agenda, it just makes you an asshole. Trump is such a god damned moron.
I'll never forget my mom talking to me about Trump. She's been in real estate for 40 years, and she said the thing that scared her the most about Trump was that he was in real estate. I thought that was a strange thing to say so I asked her to elaborate. She said "Real Estate people like Trump treat everything like a Zero sum game. Either you're getting the best deal ever, or you're getting screwed. That's how he's always operated and that's how he will operate in the White House". And she's right. Look at what he just pulled with Iran. The deal wasn't "good enogh", ergo, the US is getting screwed. Everything that he talks about he does so with words like "Disgrace", "Disaster", etc. Every deal has to be one sided to where America is getting the best and the other side is getting fucked.
Viewed through that lens it's not hard to see why Trump pulled out of the Iran Deal because in his mind it's one where the US doesn't get to fully stick it's dick in Iran's ass, so he views it as a loss. When you think about that "I'm getting a deal or I'm getting fucked over" mindset, it's kind of easy to see the world as Trump does. Then it dawns on you how fucking dangerous that mindset is. Compromise is surrender to a guy like Trump. And for someone like Trump who is SO ego driven, you can't compromise on anything, even if it's better for everyone.
I'm seriously worried about the world now because of people like him.
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Why the fuck are you in this topic then? Fucking Russian troll.
Jeez, Obama hasn't spoken out like this so quickly ever in Trump's Admin.
Yeah, you need to either educate yourself or get out of this topic.
You elect a head of state for a reason.
Somehow it's never the fault of America and its citizens.
You just keep sitting on your ass waiting for the blue wave, while your government actively fucks up the world.
We do what we can. The majority of Americans including myself voted for Clinton, but unfortunately our history of xenophobia and ignorance continuously undermines our progress.
I'm talking about the fact that he was always going to take teh deal away and didn't need the israeli presentation. It's not as if he was goaded into anything. He was literally always going to do this.
https://www.daytondailynews.com/new...rump-sticks-iran-deal/mUkEhF7B8L8T45zsoytEYL/
Can you imagine Trump trying to write that without assistance? It is so embarrassing that people support that man.
Thanks for posting. If I find anything more detailed, I'll post it as well.
