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TotalBiscuit / John Bain's cancer has worsened ; retiring as a Game Critic, expresses future plans
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No offense taken. Do you want to share your reasoning?
Point taken. I never said I knew a lot about cancer, I just stressed my frustration as someone from the outside world that is not seeing much progress with treatment and stuff. Could totally be a false impression, I can admit that.
The comparison was done just because software development is the only area I know about, so its my natural point of reference.
I disagree with you that the problems I stated are totally unrelated, especially the part about motivated and passionate people: we have an awful small amount of that in every area (from what I can tell, again, could be a false impression), and you can't deny that this directly influences progress. It's quite rare to find someone that is really not in for the money, and that's where the Elon Musk mention fits in.
I'm sorry if it sounded that way, but it was not intentional. I never said I could shake things up by myself, I actually indicated the opposite: that since I was not passionate about medical research, I'd certainly not be able to do much even if I tried, which also frustrates me since I can't help in any way in the area. Again, this goes back to the argument that passion goes a long way and that we need more passionate researchers etc.
Once again, apologies if that felt insulting.
There are so many brilliant people working long hours in research studying different kinds of cancers and every possible approach to characterizing them for an absolute pittance. So you see the field as needing someone like Elon Musk, a businessman.
Anyhow, I think I'll end my enabling of this derailment here.
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/wall-street-admits-curing-diseases-is-bad-for-business/
Cures are bad for businesses.
Cancer is the bitch, not doctors. If you don't think we have some of the absolute brightest and wisest people working on better cancer treatment, dear beelzebub are you ignorant as all fucks.
Just lol @ your "if only someone like me could put some logical thought into this, it would be solved already". You don't even seem to understand the nature of cancer let alone even the basics of human physiology and how cells work. People who have very in-depth understanding of both are trying to figure it out.
Things are getting better all the time, but due to the nature of cancer, we just don't have a be all end all cure for all forms of cancer. Still, Cases that would have had zero chance of recovery even two or three decades ago can now have a fighting chance. Stuff that had a 10% survival rate before can now have 60 or 70%. Cancer just isn't a single disease that always behaves the same with a single possible cure nor does every human body and the cancer in them react in the exact same way when we administer whatever care we do. Every case is a bit different, the only thing that is somewhat the same is that there are cells that have gone haywire with their own division which can cause different types of problems in the human body when it gets past some point. Past that they are very different from the outset.
One of the most important things in cancer treatment is to catch it early, so preventive care, really. Get yourself checked regularly, especially once you get closer to or over your 40s. Months, weeks, even days can make a huge difference.
Fuck off with that. Nearly nobody became a cancer researcher to get rich. Everyone from the doctors to research staff work exceedingly hard on trying to understand how cancer works and how we can develop tools to diagnose and treat the diseases.
There are tons of people working on it from a software developer point of view too, that's not some magic bullet that humanity hadn't thought of.
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Again, I never said I was. I do still stand by the statement that a large portion of the overall workforce seems unmotivated, it's definitely not specific to software dev.
That sounds a bit extreme.
I feel like I already tried to explain some of the points you raised in other answers, but would just like to clarify the bolded here: you completely misunderstood me there. I mentioned him because there was massive advance in the medical field at the time, and that maybe we needed another similar breakthrough in the way we research. At no point was I promoting the eugenics point of it.
Same applies to the religion comment: in my view, religion still presents a number of roadblocks to research that are unnecessary.
Fair enough. As others have pointed out, I may just be ignorant in the area and having a totally unrealistic view of it. I can't argue with people from inside the field so I appreciate your feedback.
You may be right that I'm underestimating doctors, it's just that I'm not very hopeful in general and this may be creating a bias. Meant no offense to doctors in particular though.
I believe you are into something there. Maybe unconsciously I'm associating doctors with people in for the money from the doctors I've seen or know. Again, it's just an impression and I appreciate being proven wrong.
I can give you my word this is no troll attempt here. This is genuinely an interesting topic to me and one I can learn quite a bit about.
I don't want to go into discussing Elon Musk in this thread for sure. Its just that I've watched quite a few interviews with him and I really like how he tackles problems in general. Having more people with that mindset on other areas would be incredibly beneficial.
I didn't think someone would ever attempt a "lazy and greedy devs" take about cancer but here we are!
Stop doubling down as well, you are a fool.
What is this laughable wall of bullshit. You think you're the world's answer to cancer? That no-one in medicine is doing fucking everything they can to cure and understand this damn disease? It's some people's freaking life's work to extend the life expectancy of certain cancers by a tiny degree. I guarantee that there's more passionate physicians than you could ever imagine.
If you lived near here i'd show you around the oncology ward, let you talk to the oncologists, the researchers, the patients. All just to figure out that your inflated sense of self importance is just that, inflated. You woudn't be spewing any of this nonsense if you had even a remote understanding of this disease and medicine in general.
LOL your analogy makes sense actually.
Not doubling down at all, honestly. I already admitted being an ignorant on the medical research field and that my shallow view from the outside is incredibly biased. Again, I have no problem being proven wrong there, as there is just things to learn in the process on my side.
I don't get replies like this. If you want the guy to stop, why keep responding to him? Just stop.
Medical research is long and onerous, with very long development cycles due to testing and safety regulations.
I dont know what else to compare with software development, but you have far more legal and ethical restrictions than software development, which makes it much more expensive and time consuming.
I dont know what else to compare with software development, but you have far more legal and ethical restrictions than software development, which makes it much more expensive and time consuming.
Not everything in life needs to be about legal action and money Im sure this is the last thing on his mind, I would imagine he just wants to spend time with his wife and enjoy the time he has left.
That makes a lot of sense. I personally wish we could lift some of those restrictions so that research could improve faster, but that's another big can of worms.
I'm sorry that TB is at this stage. I lost my father last year to the same kind of cancer after a long and tough battle. I was his carer for the last couple of years and for better or worse saw everything. There are so many ups and downs, when a different chemo or radiotherapy starts to work there is a wonderful feeling of being able to fight on, but these moments start to fade away and are replaced by a sense of things spiraling out of control. I hope TB has the support he needs, not just medically but also emotionally, for what will eventually be coming.
I miss you, Dad.
I miss you, Dad.
Let us not forget that Cancer is actually not a disease: it's rather many very different diseases. Cancer is more of an umbrella term, since almost all cancers behave differently and require very different treatment.
Deep learning and neural networks have advanced the progress of cancer research 100 fold in the past couple of years - software development is very much an important part of the process. My theory is that 'the cure' will come from AI supercomputing identifying all the variants and eventually having gene therapy to destroy the weak links. There are various technologies (CRISPR) that are leading the charge.
Unfortunately the process of eliminating cancer will be a multi-generational process, genetic engineering will play a huge role. I doubt we will see anything in our lifetime that we would consider a 'cure' outside of future generations being engineered to be resistant / immune to the mutations that cause it during the pregnancy stages.
Source: I run an artificial intelligence / neural networking software development company.
But back on topic, poor guy, I hope he remains strong and positive. Good luck.
Deep learning and neural networks have advanced the progress of cancer research 100 fold in the past couple of years - software development is very much an important part of the process. My theory is that 'the cure' will come from AI supercomputing identifying all the variants and eventually having gene therapy to destroy the weak links. There are various technologies (CRISPR) that are leading the charge.
Unfortunately the process of eliminating cancer will be a multi-generational process, genetic engineering will play a huge role. I doubt we will see anything in our lifetime that we would consider a 'cure' outside of future generations being engineered to be resistant / immune to the mutations that cause it during the pregnancy stages.
Source: I run an artificial intelligence / neural networking software development company.
But back on topic, poor guy, I hope he remains strong and positive. Good luck.
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Wishing TB luck.
I hope his outlook improves, with a different result to my friend who sadly passed away 2 years ago after the chemo stopped working.
I hope his outlook improves, with a different result to my friend who sadly passed away 2 years ago after the chemo stopped working.
Very sad to hear. I lost my - almost like a mother to me - aunt last year around this season, so these cancer stories always do 'hit home'.
I wonder if immune-therapy treatment was an option/suggested to him. It's still relatively early but that area of cancer research/treatment seems most promising.
What a terrible disease cancer is. It boggles my mind that, despite all we're learning today about biological information in cells, it is still believed/taught that random mutations - freaking errors in genetic code - were in part instrumental in creating all diverse forms of life we see today, and will continue to be. Meanwhile, these mutations/copy errors are tearing us apart. SMH..but that's a whole different debate for another time I guess.
I wish Jonh and his family the best, as that process takes a toll on the direct victim, and all those close and dear to them.
I wonder if immune-therapy treatment was an option/suggested to him. It's still relatively early but that area of cancer research/treatment seems most promising.
What a terrible disease cancer is. It boggles my mind that, despite all we're learning today about biological information in cells, it is still believed/taught that random mutations - freaking errors in genetic code - were in part instrumental in creating all diverse forms of life we see today, and will continue to be. Meanwhile, these mutations/copy errors are tearing us apart. SMH..but that's a whole different debate for another time I guess.
I wish Jonh and his family the best, as that process takes a toll on the direct victim, and all those close and dear to them.
I still think it's a matter of choosing. One can choose to find a treatment, just as well as one can choose not to. None of the choices are "fighting", they're just the way that person chose to spend their life. Cancer treatment is not a good experience, and I would never make someone put himself through it until this person's last sliver of life; choosing dignity over a treatment that has a very low success rate is not giving up and the opposite choice is not fighting, IMO.
Saw the thread on front page again so I thought there was an update and clicked on the thread anxiously to see if it was a positive one. Instead I saw that the thread got bumped from some guy who thinks he can cure cancer if he tried but he can't be arsed and all the doctors who are combating cancer are doing it wrong.... Hope TB is doing well.
I read stupid shit on this site on a Daily basis. But this probably takes the cake.
Prayers and thoughts helps nothing but Im rooting for you TB. Fucking cancer.
Also those with funds, put your money where your mouth is. Donate money to research. Every penny counts.
Prayers and thoughts helps nothing but Im rooting for you TB. Fucking cancer.
Also those with funds, put your money where your mouth is. Donate money to research. Every penny counts.
Awful, awful news. I've been a fan of TB from the Blue Plz days, and had the pleasure of meeting him when he still lived UK side. He's brought me years and years of entertainment. I hope and pray that some positive news comes his way. John, Genna and their son have had the roughest time, and I wish them all the love and support in dealing with this.
Blue Plz was awesome, it used to get me through the dead hours of night shift when I was a guard.
Thoughts to John and his family. Fuck cancer.
"I thought about curing cancer but decided I didn't feel like it"
What in the name of. Anyway all the best to TB and fuck cancer so hard.
What in the name of. Anyway all the best to TB and fuck cancer so hard.
Don't forget how we might need a new Hitler who can enable a new Dr. Mengele to produce enormous breakthroughs in medicine!
(sorry mods, but as a German I just can't let this go)
Saw an interview with John speaking about his condition not too long ago. This guy's a warrior. Best to you John, hang in there and give it hell. You certainly have the spirit. I'll go on a few rampages in GOW in your honor.
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Awful this has happened to him, but didn't he wish this on someone else?
Karma don't play.
Karma don't play.
This is horrible, the guy keeps getting glimmers of hope and then shit like this happens, best of luck John.
Fuck cancer.
Fuck cancer.
TB called me a "Fucking Furry" once before he got big.
Dude needs to stay alive so I can punch him in the face! (J/k, but seriously, keep fighting, dude!)
Dude needs to stay alive so I can punch him in the face! (J/k, but seriously, keep fighting, dude!)
Ok, I see where you are coming from now, thanks for clarifying. "Fighting" gives the impression that the person is doing something "better" than otherwise, but there is no "better" in this situation: both choices are equally valid.
I bet most people said something terrible on the internet at least once when they were angry at something or dealt with some problems irl.
Nothing like finding one tweet or post and bringing it back every fu**ng time. Eh.
I know you've already been warned, but I really must stress how bad of post this is. Like damn, cancer has ruined countless lives, torn apart families, cost an immeasurable amount of money and you have the fucking gall to suggest that modern doctor's "don't know what they're doing?" Are you fucking serious? How arrogant and myopic do you need to be to arrive to this conclusion? Moreover, cancer isn't something that can "just be solved" like coding. There are hundreds of variants of cancer, with each variant that must be approached in a different. Cancer can't be just "beat" with methodical thinking because it's inherently "unpredictable." Also, there are variants that are just... ridiculously difficult to treat due to their location (such as glioblastoma's), but hey no problem, just right up and have a bunch of tech dudes, write up and algorithm and bingo, cancer's gone for good.
The fact that you even compared it coding speaks to your arrogance and general ignorance. You're like an elon musk junior, offering pithy words and expressing a "maybe I should get into medicine, maybe that'll change something" like you have the fucking ability to make a real difference. Maybe if you applied like a, a modicum of effort into truly understanding what cancer is instead of posting this travesty of a post on a game forum, you'd truly understand what it was about.
PS: This post is why "tech bros" get such a bad rap. The level of ignorance and arrogance is just astounding.
It's incredibly inspiring how he is able to maintain a positive attitude throughout all of this. Godspeed, John.
Suddenly some anger in this thread... I'm a cancer nurse, working in a large Chicago hospital doing cancer research... It's not easy. None of it is easy. It's not about money or greedy doctors or even a lack of understanding what cancer is. It's really a lack of understanding how cancer works and how the human body handles treatment. We use cancer as a blanket statement but in reality it's so much more than that...
Imagine every single car is manufactured differently, none of them use the EXACT same part as another car. The oil or gas you use should work.... But maybe it won't. Maybe it causes more issues... Maybe it renders the car useless? You cannot compare cancer research to coding or software design because you can only code within a set of rules...
Cancer doesn't follow the rules. There are no rules for it. It attacks what it wants when it wants. It moves through the body in a way most people just don't understand. It breaks through barriers that it shouldn't be able to.. and the treatments we give? Maybe it causes more cancer.. maybe we destroy their white blood cells and they become neutropenic and die of infection or the flu because their body has no way to defend itself now.
You cannot go to home Depot for new bones, tissue, heart, ect. And even if you're lucky enough to find someone somewhere that matches your blood type for an organ replaced.. now your body is in constant attack mode because unless you take medication it will always assume that transplanted part is an enemy... So radical surgeries are absolutely out of the question in most cases.. and even still, a radical surgery has the tendency to leave behind microscopic cells of cancer that grow back or fall somewhere else...
You tend to lose hope.. it's hard not to. It's hard to stay positive and not become depressed. It's why grandparents "die of a broken heart" if you will. People give up. They throw in the towel and then the body doesn't defend itself..
What causes that cancer in the person who never smoked or drank in their lives? There is absolutely no way to know... Maybe it was smoke from the exhaust of a car 3 years ago that caused a malformation of a cell in the lung... Maybe it was something cooked into a burger on the grill, maybe your cell phone, maybe the radio waves, maybe infection or inflammation in the body...
It's all "guess work" because it's the best we have and damnit it's better than nothing. Sure everything in Medicine is an educated guess... How can it not be? When you have billions of different "cars" with "similar" parts that all take different "fuel" and use different "things"... How do you even calculate real risk factors at that point?
I truly hope he gets through this.. and if unfortunately he doesn't.. I hope he finds peace and has a support system. I don't know him.. nor do I listen to his channels. But noone deserves cancer. No family, no person...
Imagine every single car is manufactured differently, none of them use the EXACT same part as another car. The oil or gas you use should work.... But maybe it won't. Maybe it causes more issues... Maybe it renders the car useless? You cannot compare cancer research to coding or software design because you can only code within a set of rules...
Cancer doesn't follow the rules. There are no rules for it. It attacks what it wants when it wants. It moves through the body in a way most people just don't understand. It breaks through barriers that it shouldn't be able to.. and the treatments we give? Maybe it causes more cancer.. maybe we destroy their white blood cells and they become neutropenic and die of infection or the flu because their body has no way to defend itself now.
You cannot go to home Depot for new bones, tissue, heart, ect. And even if you're lucky enough to find someone somewhere that matches your blood type for an organ replaced.. now your body is in constant attack mode because unless you take medication it will always assume that transplanted part is an enemy... So radical surgeries are absolutely out of the question in most cases.. and even still, a radical surgery has the tendency to leave behind microscopic cells of cancer that grow back or fall somewhere else...
You tend to lose hope.. it's hard not to. It's hard to stay positive and not become depressed. It's why grandparents "die of a broken heart" if you will. People give up. They throw in the towel and then the body doesn't defend itself..
What causes that cancer in the person who never smoked or drank in their lives? There is absolutely no way to know... Maybe it was smoke from the exhaust of a car 3 years ago that caused a malformation of a cell in the lung... Maybe it was something cooked into a burger on the grill, maybe your cell phone, maybe the radio waves, maybe infection or inflammation in the body...
It's all "guess work" because it's the best we have and damnit it's better than nothing. Sure everything in Medicine is an educated guess... How can it not be? When you have billions of different "cars" with "similar" parts that all take different "fuel" and use different "things"... How do you even calculate real risk factors at that point?
I truly hope he gets through this.. and if unfortunately he doesn't.. I hope he finds peace and has a support system. I don't know him.. nor do I listen to his channels. But noone deserves cancer. No family, no person...
I think what's really impressive with TB is how much work he's been able to put into the content he creates throughout all of this, and he's really doing it for his fans at this point. Super impressive hard working guy. I hope everything is okay in the end, but even if not I'm sure he knows that for a lot of people, what he's done has been very important to them.
I will say this...I lost my 14 year old son 6 weeks ago to cancer after a year of treatments that caused him to lose 100 pounds and be relegated to a wheelchair...the treatment plan they put him on is the same exact treatment plan they used from the 1970's. There is not enough progress being made. The actual Drs do in fact care deeply. Unfortunately they do not call the shots. The pharmaceutical industry is entirely too powerful and there money is too far reaching for there to be actual progress. Bottom line is that they want customers not cures.
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