The Weird Handling of Thor and the Asgardians of the Galaxy Stuff Post Endgame Makes a Lot of Sense When You Look at the Timeline

[excelsiorlef]

I'm almost certain the sending Thor off with the GotG was likely part of reshoots, and reshoots happened during the period James Gunn was fired.

GotG 3 was also scheduled before Thor 4 as well initially as many will remember.

As such the reasonable answer to it all is that Thor was inserted so that whomever took over the Guardians would have something to play with and easily branch away from the then Gunn would be trilogy. Rather than asking whomever they could have tapped to try and finish Gunn's story, which almost certainly would have been a disaster, they ran with natural chemistry that formed across IW and Endgame to create a pivot point for someone new to start fresh.

When Gunn blessedly got rehired after the lengthy searched which flipped Thor 4 to first out, this all had to go, as it was never supposed to be Taika Waititi's narrative prompt and obviously with Gunn back no need for the Asgardians of the Galaxy narrative pivot.

And thus they did what they had to do to get everyone back on track.

Would make a pretty fun What If double episode or something though.

 

[TheMerv]

Yeah! I remember feeling even at the time that the handling of all those characters felt a bit odd.

Also I know they could use a sound a like, for something like What If, but every time I think about literally anything to do with Thor, and by extension Chris Hemsworth, in the MCU I get a little sad.

 

[Art_3]

Never bothered me,heroes going off with another group for awhile and then drifting away was pretty believable to me.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Yeah! I remember feeling even at the time that the handling of all those characters felt a bit odd.

Also I know they could use a sound a like, for something like What If, but every time I think about literally anything to do with Thor, and by extension Chris Hemsworth, in the MCU I get a little sad.

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Ultimately it was the right thing to do at the time, I was definitely excited for a full Asgardians of the Galaxy movie, but moving on was also the right thing to do as neither Taika Waititi or James Gunn had that pairing in their plans and forcing it wouldn't have worked either.

It's all very comics heh

 

[excelsiorlef]

Never bothered me,heroes going off with another group for awhile and then drifting away was pretty believable to me.

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I think in narrative Taika did an excellent job getting around it and making it make sense. By awkward I meant the outside of the narrative aspect of setting up something clearly intended to be a big deal and change of status quo and then just dropping it fast as possible.

 

[Art_3]

I think in narrative Taika did an excellent job getting around it and making it make sense. By awkward I meant the outside of the narrative aspect of setting up something clearly intended to be a big deal and change of status quo and then just dropping it fast as possible.

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Reminds me of the Thanos teases we got that barely lead to anything until Thor Ragnarok.
"AWW SHIT weird dude said to challenge humans is to court death,Thanos loves Death can't wait for him in Avengers 2"
"OH the Collector has the Aether he must be taking the gems for Thanos
"Thanos wants Ronan to take the Power Stone for him?HOLY COW!"
"He already has the gauntlet?Huh"

 

[excelsiorlef]

Reminds me of the Thanos teases we got that barely lead to anything until Thor Ragnarok.
"AWW SHIT weird dude said to challenge humans is to court death,Thanos loves Death can't wait for him in Avengers 2"
"OH the Collector has the Aether he must be taking the gems for Thanos
"Thanos wants Ronan to take the Power Stone for him?HOLY COW!"
"He already has the gauntlet?Huh"

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The Gaunlet being pulled out of the camera pov was hilarious. Thanos: I'll do it myself! Me: uh k

It's kinda wild how kinda rambly Thanos' set up was.

Half of infinity sags is just retconning to connect the dots.

Which is fine! I love comics for those reasons

 

[a Master Ninja]

It's kinda wild to think about how Disney's actions led to Gunn being in charge of their competitor.

 

[Lemony1984]

James Gunn wasn't told about Thor teaming up with Guardians of the Galaxy

"I was like, 'What the f**k am I gonna do?'"

www.digitalspy.com

Yeah this is basically confirmed.

 

[sirap]

I actually liked the idea of Thor hanging with the Guardians, but yeah the way it was handled later on was meh.

 

[Jubilant Duck]

The Gaunlet being pulled out of the camera pov was hilarious. Thanos: I'll do it myself! Me: uh k

It's kinda wild how kinda rambly Thanos' set up was.

Half of infinity sags is just retconning to connect the dots.

Which is fine! I love comics for those reasons

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This always bothered me as Loki's staff in Avengers 1 was a gift from Thanos' henchman if memory serves, so there was the implication that Ultron was the result of Thanos trying to manipulate things via the mind stone hence why at the end he's all "I'll do it myself" while Thor had the... vision... that Vision needed to be in possession of the mind stone to stop the deadly future but... yeah they never properly solidified that thread.

 

[yap]

I honestly don't even want to think about a Gunn-less GOTG 3

 

[GambitPool]

Kinda funny how both parties didn't want to deal with a Thor and Guardians team up. Yet Thor and his adopted daughter end Love and Thunder basically as an independent Guardians duo lol.

 

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

Despite the change, I find it funny how both movies ended on 'oh and I guess we have to save these trapped kids in cages'.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Kinda funny how both parties didn't want to deal with a Thor and Guardians team up. Yet Thor and his adopted daughter end Love and Thunder basically as an independent Guardians duo lol.

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Found family and 80s metal was such an unfair cheat code used by Taika to hack my brain into unadulterated joy.

 

[The Hobo]

I wouldn't mind a Disney+ special focusing on Thors time with the Guardians.

 

[Art_3]

The Gaunlet being pulled out of the camera pov was hilarious. Thanos: I'll do it myself! Me: uh k

It's kinda wild how kinda rambly Thanos' set up was.

Half of infinity sags is just retconning to connect the dots.

Which is fine! I love comics for those reasons

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You gotta fake it till you make it.I do applaud Marvel for how they set up their universe so major events feel natural.
Shield being Hydra was never setup but it doesn't contradict alot that came before

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I wouldn't mind a Disney+ special focusing on Thors time with the Guardians.

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I'd def take this. I wish Disney plus did small little stuff with all of them actually not just shows. Maybe a lil hour long special here or there

 

[excelsiorlef]

You gotta fake it till you make it.I do applaud Marvel for how they set up their universe so major events feel natural.
Shield being Hydra was never setup but it doesn't contradict alot that came before

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Feige is a true child of the comics

 

[Deleted member 2802]

Shoulda just been a Revengers movie

 

[kai3345]

I would have loved it, their interactions were lot of fun in infinity war, and it would have been cool to see Gunn's take on one of the big three characters but also totally cool with Gunn nixing it when he came back on board

 

[Bengraven]

Honestly your OP makes a ton of sense and I can't believe I never thought of that. Especially with everyone saying Taika should make GotG3 when it was assumed Gunn wouldn't be back.

 

[Wrighteous86]

I was fine with all of it. "Killing off" Gamora in Avengers really broke the arc of the trilogy though.

 

[Hollywood Duo]

Yeah the beginning of Love and Thunder was super weird because of it.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Yeah the beginning of Love and Thunder was super weird because of it.

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Such a bizarre energy, the characters in-universe were acting like they couldn't wait to be rid of that bozo.

 

[El_TigroX]

Despite the change, I find it funny how both movies ended on 'oh and I guess we have to save these trapped kids in cages'.

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My brain goes "Oh, they're doing Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom."

 

[Imperial Bishop]

"Why didn't the Guardians call Thor for help? Are they stupid?"

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Such a bizarre energy, the characters in-universe were acting like they couldn't wait to be rid of that bozo.

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because Thor was just acting like a sad sack and bringing them down
...like how Quill was next time we saw him even though he acted like he was over it...yeah Gunn didn't write the Guardians in Thor and Taika clearly didn't involve him (or anyone else sadly)

 

[Fj0823]

because Thor was just acting like a sad sack and bringing them down
...like how Quill was next time we saw him even though he acted like he was over it...yeah Gunn didn't write the Guardians in Thor and Taika clearly didn't involve him (or anyone else sadly)

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Quill seems to just be at a better moment at the time than Thor, probably because he still hadn't found alternative Gamora, he tells Thor that he feels like shit but that the feeling is worth it.

Quill probably spiraled downwards after Gamora told them to piss off.

It's easy to BS in your head

 

[RedHeat]

In regards to the timeline of it, events don't happen in 'real time' anymore since Infinity War/Endgame so I think you can argue that Thor was with them for at least a year. But yeah, it would neat to get a special or something telling what he did on the team during that time period.

 

[hikarutilmitt]

It was an interesting direction to maybe take it and in a way the pandemic delays probably helped give them more time to come up with a proper plan once they had their ducks in a row. I haven't seen GOTG3 yet (will probably be next weekend) but I was fine with how they kind of shuffled everything around at the beginning of L&T.

Also, aside, I know people dog on L&T and, quite frankly, my opinion of it soured really slowly after seeing it in theaters, but watching it again at home... I ended up liking it a lot more. There's still definitely a bit more Taika than maybe should be there for most people but it's a lot more solid than when I first watched it.

Also I know they could use a sound a like, for something like What If, but every time I think about literally anything to do with Thor, and by extension Chris Hemsworth, in the MCU I get a little sad.

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I..... am I missing something..?

 

[excelsiorlef]

Such a bizarre energy, the characters in-universe were acting like they couldn't wait to be rid of that bozo.

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It works if you consider they went from meeting to roommates in 45 seconds and thus it's understandable that a rash decision was soon realized to be a mistake. Relatively believeable in universe reason tbh, just also clearly done for a quick way out of the concept

 

[TheFurizzlyBear]

I was fine with all of it. "Killing off" Gamora in Avengers really broke the arc of the trilogy though.

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Well Gunn said the "killing off" wasn't the issue but the "return-not-return" of Gamora is what threw him off. Dude handled it with aplomb tho, GotG3 felt wonderful. DC fans gotta be excited that someone with vision, flexibility and respect for comic characters is at the helm now. Everyone gonna be eating these days

 

[Jesse_and_the_rippers]

It works if you consider they went from meeting to roommates in 45 seconds and thus it's understandable that a rash decision was soon realized to be a mistake. Relatively believeable in universe reason tbh, just also clearly done for a quick way out of the concept

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Especially when they see how Thor being so OP ends up causing more collateral damage than they would on their own. Made it feel like it wasn't the first time he wrecked something while showing off.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Especially when they see how Thor being so OP ends up causing more collateral damage than they would on their own. Made it feel like it wasn't the first time he wrecked something while showing off.

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Yup

 

[Watchtower]

The whole little kerfuffle with Thor's brief stint with the GotG is a very good representation of the collaborativeness of comic book writing and how it can get weird and funny like that. Like, Gunn has openly said that he had never accounted for Thor being in his movie and was grateful that Waititi sorted it out for him. There was unfortunately never going to be a substantial Asgardians of the Galaxy bit, because the Russos threw it in on a whim at the end of Endgame and neither Waititi nor Gunn were interested in following up on it, and Waititi was ultimately able to "solve the problem" first. And Marvel was fine rocking with all of them. And now we're left with this little mini-story of Thor jumping in and out of the team at his own whims while the Guardians are like "cool thanks but also please screw off".

 

[Wrighteous86]

Well Gunn said the "killing off" wasn't the issue but the "return-not-return" of Gamora is what threw him off. Dude handled it with aplomb tho, GotG3 felt wonderful. DC fans gotta be excited that someone with vision, flexibility and respect for comic characters is at the helm now. Everyone gonna be eating these days

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Haven't seen 3 yet, so I'm happy to hear that he pivoted off of it well! Based off of Endgame, it seemingly forced his hand to address a plot point he didn't create with major ramifications for every member of the team and alters the course of the character arcs drastically.

 

[excelsiorlef]

The whole little kerfuffle with Thor's brief stint with the GotG is a very good representation of the collaborativeness of comic book writing and how it can get weird and funny like that. Like, Gunn has openly said that he had never accounted for Thor being in his movie and was grateful that Waititi sorted it out for him. There was unfortunately never going to be a substantial Asgardians of the Galaxy bit, because the Russos threw it in on a whim at the end of Endgame and neither Waititi nor Gunn were interested in following up on it, and Waititi was ultimately able to "solve the problem" first. And Marvel was fine rocking with all of them. And now we're left with this little mini-story of Thor jumping in and out of the team at his own whims while the Guardians are like "cool thanks but also please screw off".

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Again though there would have been had Gunn been replaced which is almost certainly why it was done in the first place.

It's often presented as Marvel forcing Thor on Gunn and Taika but Gunn was fired and only brought back a month before Endgame released and Thor 4 was never supposed to come first in the release order.

Had Gunn been replaced whomever came in would have likely been hired on the basis of making a Asgardians of the Galaxy movie

 

[snausages]

I..... am I missing something..?

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I think Chris Hemsworth is taking a career break, might have misremembered

edit: yes

Chris Hemsworth: Alzheimer’s risk prompts actor to take acting break

The Thor star has revealed he has a significantly heightened risk of developing the disease.

www.bbc.com

 

[Jesse_and_the_rippers]

The whole little kerfuffle with Thor's brief stint with the GotG is a very good representation of the collaborativeness of comic book writing and how it can get weird and funny like that. Like, Gunn has openly said that he had never accounted for Thor being in his movie and was grateful that Waititi sorted it out for him. There was unfortunately never going to be a substantial Asgardians of the Galaxy bit, because the Russos threw it in on a whim at the end of Endgame and neither Waititi nor Gunn were interested in following up on it, and Waititi was ultimately able to "solve the problem" first. And Marvel was fine rocking with all of them. And now we're left with this little mini-story of Thor jumping in and out of the team at his own whims while the Guardians are like "cool thanks but also please screw off".

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Totally. I personally loved it, and everything about Love and Thunder. If you look at what Taika was given to start with (Guardians team up, Thor having devolved into a Big Lebowski clown in End Game), it's amazing that he was still able to tell the story he wanted to and end on the high note it did.

 

[TheFurizzlyBear]

Haven't seen 3 yet, so I'm happy to hear that he pivoted off of it well! Based off of Endgame, it seemingly forced his hand to address a plot point he didn't create with major ramifications for every member of the team and alters the course of the character arcs drastically.

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If you can, check it out in theaters on the nicest screen possible. There are some scenes that deserve the ''movie going experience" treatment.

 

[hikarutilmitt]

I think Chris Hemsworth is taking a career break, might have misremembered

edit: yes

Chris Hemsworth: Alzheimer’s risk prompts actor to take acting break

The Thor star has revealed he has a significantly heightened risk of developing the disease.

www.bbc.com

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Crikes, I completely forgot about that. I think I was trying to remember something happening before a show he had coming to D+, but then I ended up thinking it was Renner, turns out I was still right, for better or worse.

 

[SpudBud]

I didn't really like Thor in love and thunder. Went too far into the comedy bits this time. All the guardian stuff felt off. Movie takes like 3 story ideas and mashes them together and does none of them justice. Asgardians of the galaxy stuff, The God buchter, and Mighty Thor and Jane's battle with cancer should have all been their own movies.

 

[Kyou]

I wonder what would have happened if GotG3 came out before Thor 4

just the same movie but a throwaway line of "Yeah it's been a lot less crazy here since we ditched that himbo on an ice moon"

 

[Alexandros]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Truth be told though, I am glad that Gunn got to finish his story but I really liked the pairing of Thor with the Guardians and I would have enjoyed the Asgardians of the Galaxy. Oh well.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Truth be told though, I am glad that Gunn got to finish his story but I really liked the pairing of Thor with the Guardians and I would have enjoyed the Asgardians of the Galaxy. Oh well.

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Pretty much I think why they set that up.

To give folks something new and interesting and exciting for a GOTG 3 without Gunn, which reminder was not Feige's or Marvel's call.

And clearly no one was deadset on forcing the concept once the right thing was done with Gunn returning. Which is also the right move.

 

[PantherLotus]

I was so hyped for the matchup I honestly thought 'Love' was Peter Quill and 'Thunder' was Thor (obv). I literally thought GOTG3 and Thor4 were going to be combined.

The chemistry between Thor and Rocket, Groot, the rivalry between Thor and Quill, the whole deal. Would have been fun to see Quill find chemistry with Thor's supporting cast, too. Maybe the best chemistry outside of The Avengers -- which obviously MCU is still dealing with a lack of in this latest phase.

Needless to say I was disappointed. It could have saved Phase 4.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I wonder what would have happened if GotG3 came out before Thor 4

just the same movie but a throwaway line of "Yeah it's been a lot less crazy here since we ditched that himbo on an ice moon"

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"Thor was needed in another realm"

 

[Alexandros]

Pretty much I think why they set that up.

To give folks something new and interesting and exciting for a GOTG 3 without Gunn, which reminder was not Feige's or Marvel's call.

And clearly no one was deadset on forcing the concept once the right thing was done with Gunn returning. Which is also the right move.

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Αgreed.