ultrahand isn't teased at all in that trailer, the construct is just moving and not put back together
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The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom – Mr. Aonuma Gameplay Demonstration
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ultrahand isn't teased at all in that trailer, the construct is just moving and not put back together
You are choosing to read it that way. You see, you react. You're taking it more personally because you like the thing being criticized.
You don't think that at least some of the criticism is downright silly?
It's not just moving. You see the energy beam attaching the top part to the body before it forms up. It's the same beam you see when Ultrahand is used to manipulate objects.
I'm not taking it personally at all. Why are you making shit up?
This so much lol. <3
The Zelda devs have been giving us amazing experiences for the past 35+ years. Let them cook, I say. Everything they craft is absolutely worth the price of admission and I'm glad they got to take as much time as they needed for this one.
This game took six years to make. Whatever they do next will probably take just as long, and there's no guarantee the pendulum is gonna swing back in the other direction. One Zelda per generation means you have to wait a LONG TIME for the next.
It happen all the time, it's okay. From Soft has seemingly decided they don't want to make games like DeS, DS1-3, or BB and given modern AAA dev times I doubt we're going to see a game like that inbetween ER DLC and the inevitable ER2. Oh well, studio's gonna make what they wanna make.
Anyways, given Mercury Steam went from Metroid 2 Remake -> Metroid 5, I don't see Grezzo being off the table for a new top-down Zelda after Link's Awakening.
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Sometimes. I don't get wanting the hookshot over something like Revali's Gale, but that's them, I'm me.
I do agree that the next 3D Zelda game will probably take even longer than TOTK. Assuming it's an open world and since it's a new platform they will have to author new assets on top of making it similar in scope to BOTW and TOTK.
So I don't think 2030 for the next 3D Zelda after TOTK is too far of a stretch.
So I don't think 2030 for the next 3D Zelda after TOTK is too far of a stretch.
When I voice my negative opinion on a game, I always try to lean towards, "I see where they were going, but it's just not something I want out of x".
When I come into this thread, the "haters" come of a few flavors:
1. People like the above/people who want old zelda.
2. People who posit that durability is still in, pass. Ignoring literal repair mechanics that are dynamic and instant.
3. People who need to use hyperbole to claim that the game is exactly the same. Or a mod.
Groups 2 and 3 don't really deserve respectful engagement imo.
For the old zelda heads, I don't think there's many BotW fans that don't want better dungeons. It is far and away the most resonant complaint of BotW. It showed up frequently in reviews where durability didn't. I would be shocked if the dev team did nothing about this. THAT SAID, I would not expect the old loop of explore dungeon without item -> acquire item -> backtrack with item. And quite frankly, I've never found that loop to be done well in the 3D games outside of a handful of standouts. Many of the shrines had better standalone puzzles than previous dungeons. They just need to be better about stringing them together with some connective tissue and strong thematics.
When I come into this thread, the "haters" come of a few flavors:
1. People like the above/people who want old zelda.
2. People who posit that durability is still in, pass. Ignoring literal repair mechanics that are dynamic and instant.
3. People who need to use hyperbole to claim that the game is exactly the same. Or a mod.
Groups 2 and 3 don't really deserve respectful engagement imo.
For the old zelda heads, I don't think there's many BotW fans that don't want better dungeons. It is far and away the most resonant complaint of BotW. It showed up frequently in reviews where durability didn't. I would be shocked if the dev team did nothing about this. THAT SAID, I would not expect the old loop of explore dungeon without item -> acquire item -> backtrack with item. And quite frankly, I've never found that loop to be done well in the 3D games outside of a handful of standouts. Many of the shrines had better standalone puzzles than previous dungeons. They just need to be better about stringing them together with some connective tissue and strong thematics.
Both of OOTs Fire and Water temple were solved in different patterns. There wasn't just one linear solution to each. Trying to put all of past Zelda dungeons in such a box is not really accurate. They have been playing with nonlinerality since Day1.
Having dungeons like that back, with yes, Unique Items that can be used in the overworld would be amazing. We can have several Souls-style Hyrule Castles too. It doesn't need to be a black or white solution.
The main problem with BOTW is the sameyness of the entire journey. Enemies are the same everywhere, just reskinned. Shrines are like teleporting into a Portal chamber every time. You never get a new item since you have every power at the jump - for the most part. You never feel a sense of progression. You don't get anything to level up outside of stamina and hearts and inventory, again with few exceptions.
Nothing shown so far has showed me they have improved upon that. In fact they are doubling down as far as I can see. And the further we go into Fortnite/Minecraft/Nuts and Bolts territory the less it becomes Zelda. The series needs a sense of progress and variety to return.
Having dungeons like that back, with yes, Unique Items that can be used in the overworld would be amazing. We can have several Souls-style Hyrule Castles too. It doesn't need to be a black or white solution.
The main problem with BOTW is the sameyness of the entire journey. Enemies are the same everywhere, just reskinned. Shrines are like teleporting into a Portal chamber every time. You never get a new item since you have every power at the jump - for the most part. You never feel a sense of progression. You don't get anything to level up outside of stamina and hearts and inventory, again with few exceptions.
Nothing shown so far has showed me they have improved upon that. In fact they are doubling down as far as I can see. And the further we go into Fortnite/Minecraft/Nuts and Bolts territory the less it becomes Zelda. The series needs a sense of progress and variety to return.
Didn't Links Awakening Remake come out in 2019? I know it's a remake but it wasn't a simple conversion. I see no reason to believe we won't get another Zelda before the next Open Air Zelda. I imagine they want to have the same philosophy as they do with Metroid at this point. 2D and 3D. I'm sure Zelda will get it's traditional and open world games both, or we can all be wrong and they meld them together appropriately. We got Skyward Sword of all games remastered. Traditional Zelda isn't gone.
100% in agreement with this post. I think BOTW is one of the finest games ever made and quite easily my favorite Zelda, and felt the theming of the interiors of the Divine Beasts and the bosses were really just serviceable at best. Reminded me of the "copy and paste" feel of the interior of dungeons in the original LoZ/AoL/LTTP, and I even had issues with them on those games (but am more forgiving of the earlier two due to space constraints).
I would hate for theoretical TotK dungeons to go back to the linear puzzle solving of the 3D games as they weren't really my cup of tea outside of a handful of them-- like you said. I'd rather construct my own out-of-the-box solutions from experimentation rather than pushing/pulling blocks or shooting very clearly defined eye-switches.
Haven't seen anyone mention this thing from the end of the first trailer in a while — it's already flying and he just lands in the middle of it it, and doesn't seem like something constructed with ultrahand. Wonder how it fits in– maybe summonable like a horse while skydiving?
This is the perfect way to explanation of what some of us old heads want.
BoTW was solid, but there was no sense of progression, and meaningful dungeons were missed. I don't want ALTTP or OOT again, but I'd love to see an evolution of what they did and make it fresh.
Not to mention that all the shrines followed the exact same visual motif.
If Shrines are back in Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, my hope is that there's some more variety with Shrine's aesthetics.
Can you point me to the image of Link walking below water? Only water looking one I know of is just a shot of a Zonai looking Shrine area with a glass like ceiling with water inside or above it on Pg 56. It's just a shot of the ceiling and nothing else.
That's not young Purah. Different character altogether, totally different face, eye shape, and hair & eye color(grey vs white and brown vs red), just wearing the same kind of eyeglasses but missing all other hallmarks of Purah that were present in her BotW Child appearance and now Adult form seen elsewhere in the artbook. Most likely one of the Sheikah kids grown up a few years.
The Sheikah slate is the exact same one modeled after the Switch in all the artwork we've seen, both public and leak. The spool of wire being wearable doesn't really make sense for communication, why would Link need to wear and carry the wire with him to talk with Zelda? Maybe she plays a role, but there's no real evidence of it, just hope.
Plant growth on 119 doesn't require time travel, it's just a mechanic to have plants we could chop down regrow over time as we play. That or simply to have more variety of plant life in the game showing the same plant type in various states of growth. One example on 106 is just a full grown plant rolled up and in bloom. Probably reacts to light/time of day or some other stimuli that causes them to roll up or fully bloom.
Again the building structures are not back to their original form. The Forgotten Temple is fundamentally different, there's a huge gap in the Artbook leak at the bottom that leads to the doorway, that section in BotW is fully bricked up and continuous across the whole structure behind the Goddess Statue. It doesn't make sense that they would rebuild one section to seamlessly and flawlessly match the rest of the structure and then just take a sledgehammer to the ledge above to make room for the Goddess Statue's head. Same for the Great Plateau Northern Wall, it's completely different wall from what was there in BotW, not simply fully repaired or anything. Totally different architecture and structure and no other sections of the wall scene elsewhere in the trailers look to have changed. It's not a cut and dry thing that just time travel can explain to me. Maybe but this is the best evidence we have an it's spotty at best. Not worth seriously considering to me.
Ancient Greek/Aztec/Mayans are most likely Zonai. Might be present day might be a flashback. They have elongated ears compared to Hylians/Sheikah. The Ninja outfit is just a Sheikah guy, normal ears, and doesn't look ancient, it's the exact same out as Link's Sheikah set in BotW.
All the images without a head is still of Link. It's his outfit and his new arm in it. Pg 85 is the Hylian Tunic, 161 is the Rubber Outfit, 166 is the Tunic of the Wild, 193 is the Flamebreaker armor, 202 is Barbarian armor. All from BotW.
Time travel may be in the game in some form, either via memories or direct gameplay mechanic like timeshift stones, but outside of the Forgotten Temple/Great Plateau discrepancies there's really no good evidence of it.
I'm hopeful for the musical items. But they may just be associated to that one circus conductor looking character and not something we can interact with.
That's not young Purah. Different character altogether, totally different face, eye shape, and hair & eye color(grey vs white and brown vs red), just wearing the same kind of eyeglasses but missing all other hallmarks of Purah that were present in her BotW Child appearance and now Adult form seen elsewhere in the artbook. Most likely one of the Sheikah kids grown up a few years.
The Sheikah slate is the exact same one modeled after the Switch in all the artwork we've seen, both public and leak. The spool of wire being wearable doesn't really make sense for communication, why would Link need to wear and carry the wire with him to talk with Zelda? Maybe she plays a role, but there's no real evidence of it, just hope.
Plant growth on 119 doesn't require time travel, it's just a mechanic to have plants we could chop down regrow over time as we play. That or simply to have more variety of plant life in the game showing the same plant type in various states of growth. One example on 106 is just a full grown plant rolled up and in bloom. Probably reacts to light/time of day or some other stimuli that causes them to roll up or fully bloom.
Again the building structures are not back to their original form. The Forgotten Temple is fundamentally different, there's a huge gap in the Artbook leak at the bottom that leads to the doorway, that section in BotW is fully bricked up and continuous across the whole structure behind the Goddess Statue. It doesn't make sense that they would rebuild one section to seamlessly and flawlessly match the rest of the structure and then just take a sledgehammer to the ledge above to make room for the Goddess Statue's head. Same for the Great Plateau Northern Wall, it's completely different wall from what was there in BotW, not simply fully repaired or anything. Totally different architecture and structure and no other sections of the wall scene elsewhere in the trailers look to have changed. It's not a cut and dry thing that just time travel can explain to me. Maybe but this is the best evidence we have an it's spotty at best. Not worth seriously considering to me.
Ancient Greek/Aztec/Mayans are most likely Zonai. Might be present day might be a flashback. They have elongated ears compared to Hylians/Sheikah. The Ninja outfit is just a Sheikah guy, normal ears, and doesn't look ancient, it's the exact same out as Link's Sheikah set in BotW.
All the images without a head is still of Link. It's his outfit and his new arm in it. Pg 85 is the Hylian Tunic, 161 is the Rubber Outfit, 166 is the Tunic of the Wild, 193 is the Flamebreaker armor, 202 is Barbarian armor. All from BotW.
Time travel may be in the game in some form, either via memories or direct gameplay mechanic like timeshift stones, but outside of the Forgotten Temple/Great Plateau discrepancies there's really no good evidence of it.
I'm hopeful for the musical items. But they may just be associated to that one circus conductor looking character and not something we can interact with.
Do we need to new items though? That format never really clicked for me before because most of the items didn't have a lot of utility outside of the dungeons besides 1-2 very specific puzzles and didn't do a lot to change your combat approach. Yes, staples like the bow and arrow did and every game has something like the Deku Leaf from Wind Waker that was implemented in a way that shook up progression, but those are few and far between.
You being up the Fire Temple. Did you actually use the Megaton Hammer for combat outside of the Fire Temple? I know I didn't and once the temple was over, it didn't really do a lot to aid in my quest.
Do I want dungeons that are bigger puzzle boxes with some reward? Sure. Do I want them to do it the way they've been doing it pre-BOTW? Not really. I can see what they were trying to do with BOTW's dungeons. It didn't land completely. But I'm not sure I need new items that won't have much utility outside of the dungeon itself to feel a sense of progression.
Like seriously, at least vary up the tileset based on the area the shrine is found in. Give the shrines near Death Mountain a red visual theme and tons of lava!
I used the Megaton Hammer as a melee weapon plenty before getting the Biggoron Sword.
that isn't from ultrahand, the constructs have the green energy beam flowing through their elongated "neck" naturally as seen here
if you pause at that part of the trailer you see the same thing.. if you don't care about spoilers you can also see it exactly in the leaked art book
I thought progression worked perfectly fine in BOTW. You beat the Divine Beasts in order to get a leg-up on Ganon, you have the Master Sword as a background incentive to work for, and everything feels like it contributes to the final confrontation. The abilities you get from Divine Beasts are neat too, even though only two of them are really any fun to use.
"Progression" by old Zelda games by that same standard were usually one-and-done contextual dungeon items and heart pieces regardless.
Shrines having the exact same visual motif was a problem I had with BOTW, but I mostly understood why it was a present problem and I can't entirely fault the developers for it ending up that way. Something had to give when it came to all the resources, it was an economic way to design a lot of puzzles alongside the systems they were building. The assumption or even hope is that they realize this was a point of improvement going into the next game.
I imagine it's an upgrade you'll get later in the game. Someone pointed out that it has some kind of scripture that might be related to those four pins that are in the CE, one of which corresponds to the Recall ability.
"Progression" by old Zelda games by that same standard were usually one-and-done contextual dungeon items and heart pieces regardless.
Shrines having the exact same visual motif was a problem I had with BOTW, but I mostly understood why it was a present problem and I can't entirely fault the developers for it ending up that way. Something had to give when it came to all the resources, it was an economic way to design a lot of puzzles alongside the systems they were building. The assumption or even hope is that they realize this was a point of improvement going into the next game.
Haven't seen anyone mention this thing from the end of the first trailer in a while — it's already flying and he just lands in the middle of it it, and doesn't seem like something constructed with ultrahand. Wonder how it fits in– maybe summonable like a horse while skydiving?
I imagine it's an upgrade you'll get later in the game. Someone pointed out that it has some kind of scripture that might be related to those four pins that are in the CE, one of which corresponds to the Recall ability.
I'm kind of hoping they go the portal 2 route and we see a lot of fully and half ruined shrines, maybe even some old ones that got torn up and have altered puzzles.
I didn't use it once after finishing the dungeon, the same way that I never used most other dungeons items after finishing them. If you did, great, but that has not been my experience at all with most new items within the series.
I'm the insane person who glitched the fuck out of Link's Awakening so they could do a Fire Rod Only run. The tools SIGNIFICANTLY increase my enjoyment of Zelda games, honestly. It's a huge part of why I like Zelda in the first place, building a stupid Bat Utility Belt of bullshit and finding insane fringe uses for it, like the Flying Rooster+Boomerang Death Tornado combo in Link's Awakening.
I hear ya. Just keep makin rad Zeldas of any shape or size, I'm not picky.
Hard to discern one way or the other we see other characters from BotW who haven't aged much.
There is also an image of a significantly younger King Dorephin.
That's just King Dorephin with slightly different cloths. Otherwise he is exactly the same.
I mean there is 100% trolling going on in this thread.
Just because you actively ignore these posts because it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't mean it isn't happening. Yes, there are some people that are truly disappointed and have articulated it but that hasn't been the case for all the concerned fans. I myself don't want to build things at all am going to keep waiting to see what else they show since they keep teasing that there are many ways to approach these obstacles.
You're in here asking people what they except just because they are waiting and seeing what the game has in store. How the fuck should they know what twists are in the game? Did anyone predict the Fuse mechanic? No? Shit like that is insanely creative and interesting but out of left field. Nintendo is a creative developer that has yet to strongly disappoint a good amount of fans when it comes to Zelda. So asking people why they expect the game to be better because they refuse to believe that 10 minutes is enough to show 6 years of work just seems insincere to me.
Asking people why they don't think Nintendo has showed their hand when it comes to this game is silly. BoTW marketing was almost as secretive as this and the game had a lot of surprises.
It's not crafting, but I understand/sympathize with the basis of that tweet. He just doesn't want time-wasting busywork in the game. Get straight to the point, no time wasting spending hours trying to fuse shit and whatnot. Or scrolling through endless, complicated looking menus. I get it because I have lost patience for things like this as well.
That being said, the Fuse thing looks to be instantaneous. One question is if you are going to be assed to go out of your way to find certain things to fuse to proceed or if it'll just make things 10x easier. I'm not getting any indication that this will be the case so far- it seems you can find stuff on the path, press the button, and you're good. Might be different with items in your inventory though.
So we'll see.
Big hammers in prior Zelda games for me were always "oh right I need to push that rusty obstacle down" or something. Then right back to the pause menu to swap it out.
you having something you actually enjoy is going to be hard considering to dislike pretty much everything and make it hard for others to find an iota is enjoyment with the consistent complaining.
I was a bit crestfallen right after the presentation, but I've grown to be more excited once it's all had a chance to sit. I just hope there's something resembling more traditional dungeons, that's really all. The Guardian portions of BotW should have been high points, but were some of the weakest imo
This is a great post. As someone who likes both the old and new Zelda design styles, I am still very open about the criticisms I have with both designs.
But to your point, the people in category 2 and 3 who are making assumptions about gameplay after watching a narrow 10 minute gameplay demonstration, probably need to wait for more information to be revealed.
In the 3DS / Wii U eShop closure thread someone asked if Smash 4 and Ultimate were the same game. There was no assumption of trolling. We just answered no and moved on.
this 100%
heck, even zelda II is a banger. the legend just don't miss*!
*gamelonian wands and evil faces not applicable
Idk if that's the same thing.
There are people saying puzzles in Zelda are dead.
And that they've been dead since BoTW... So... Yeah
My point is, not everything is a troll. Some people might just feel that way.
That's mostly directed at the person bothered that a tweet used the phrase "crafting nonsense".
Some people in this thread are obviously trolling and have been dealt with. If you have any other issues with posters, feel free to report them.
At the same time, not every complaint is a troll though, and legitimate criticism is obviously allowed. Please stop the meta-commentary.
At the same time, not every complaint is a troll though, and legitimate criticism is obviously allowed. Please stop the meta-commentary.
Calling it BoTW DLC is different than being legitimately disappointed and writing out a well thought out post as to why.
Everyone should be able to say how they feel about the game good or bad. But there are posts in here that don't have a lick of thought behind them. At the same time people shouldn't be targeting posts with fair criticisms that aren't as hyped as them.