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The Last of Us 2 is getting review bombed on Metacritic for minority representation & more, and I'm pissed [Tag Spoilers Clearly]
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No I mean it. From just kind of not engaging with any of the game's media my social media feeds are flooded with voices from every direction saying how horrible the story is. Here, it's more critiquing mechanics and game design, but never the less, I was getting the impression that the game could legitimately be a disappointment. I won't know until I play it, but from what I've read on the story, it seems very interesting and well thought out.
If some games are more than the sums of their parts, nothing stops other games from being less.
Not saying this is the case here since I have not played the game yet, but I'm a firm believer on scores being simply how much you liked it, and sometimes you dislike a thing so much its a 2 or 3.
off topic: I'm hoping I can enjoy the game, been waiting for the delivery guy very anxiously.
I don't even mind the review bombing, it's the fact they invade everywhere and post spoilers and attack everyone. This is an a cyber attack and people mare defending it. And if successful, they will continue this bullying.
4Chan is a place of hate and it should not be allowed here.
4Chan is a place of hate and it should not be allowed here.
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As far as I can see, people mostly dislike the story on Twitch.
Some have described it as "misery porn".
Not that they would say if they had issues with other aspects of the game, because that would get you banned quick.
But from what I have read in the LSF subreddit, the discussion solely centers on the story and homo- and transphobia get called out.
The roots of homophobia are firmly planted within our religious teachings, as far as I'm concerned. As I said to the other poster, I do not criticise people for their religious belief, but I will criticise the religion itself at every opportunity, for the harm I see it doing repeatedly to minorities in our society. I struggle to see any other source for the prevalence of homophobia in our world other than these outdated doctrines, and I have yet to hear anyone come up with a convincing alternative.
Ironically alt-right, anti-SJW, anti-feminist, anti-LGBTQ, anti-diversity bigots tend to use terms that actually best describe themselves. It's like one big game of projection.
Cuck - a weak or servile man
Imagine how weak and pathetic you have to be to feel so threatened by a games diversity that you need to stoop to these sad depths.
Snowflake - A very sensitive person. Someone who is easily hurt or offended by the statements or actions of others.
These people have devoted energy and time to trashing the game on social media, making videos, review bombing etc, all because a game has non status quo character's and themes, and because the creative director spoke out against misogyny and sexualisation in games. In other words, those offended by the game or Druckmann's comments show a perfect example of over sensitive fragility.
Political Agenda - Story and characters decided for political or personal reasons
Druckmann has already stated there was no forced political reason behind the diversity in the game, rather he chooses diversity as he believes it provides more interesting narrative and character perspectives, which if you've played his games, we know is true. Ultimately these people throw out the claim of forced agendas, but ironically they are the ones trying to force an agenda based on their own personal beliefs (bigotry). They are literally trying to tear the game down for daring to be different. They could just, you know, not buy the game, instead there's an orchestrated campaign of hate and trying to force their own political agenda.
In the end, these people come off as seeming like fragile and socially repressed incels or morons. There's no "agenda", and the only people who think as much are closed minded bigots lacking the social development and understanding to know better.
It also makes sense then, that these same types of people would be quick to jump to wild conspiracy theories (all 90+ positive reviews from around the world were paid off). Again, the latter is something only someone who's mentally under-developed would propose.
To these types of people, anything contrary to status quo is regarded as an "agenda" and they're simply too ignorant, closed minded and arrogant to see and appreciate that world is already diverse, and that more diverse story telling and characters are inevitable, to better reflect and relate to the world we actually live in.
Cuck - a weak or servile man
Imagine how weak and pathetic you have to be to feel so threatened by a games diversity that you need to stoop to these sad depths.
Snowflake - A very sensitive person. Someone who is easily hurt or offended by the statements or actions of others.
These people have devoted energy and time to trashing the game on social media, making videos, review bombing etc, all because a game has non status quo character's and themes, and because the creative director spoke out against misogyny and sexualisation in games. In other words, those offended by the game or Druckmann's comments show a perfect example of over sensitive fragility.
Political Agenda - Story and characters decided for political or personal reasons
Druckmann has already stated there was no forced political reason behind the diversity in the game, rather he chooses diversity as he believes it provides more interesting narrative and character perspectives, which if you've played his games, we know is true. Ultimately these people throw out the claim of forced agendas, but ironically they are the ones trying to force an agenda based on their own personal beliefs (bigotry). They are literally trying to tear the game down for daring to be different. They could just, you know, not buy the game, instead there's an orchestrated campaign of hate and trying to force their own political agenda.
In the end, these people come off as seeming like fragile and socially repressed incels or morons. There's no "agenda", and the only people who think as much are closed minded bigots lacking the social development and understanding to know better.
It also makes sense then, that these same types of people would be quick to jump to wild conspiracy theories (all 90+ positive reviews from around the world were paid off). Again, the latter is something only someone who's mentally under-developed would propose.
To these types of people, anything contrary to status quo is regarded as an "agenda" and they're simply too ignorant, closed minded and arrogant to see and appreciate that world is already diverse, and that more diverse story telling and characters are inevitable, to better reflect and relate to the world we actually live in.
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"What do you mean, I have to play through the game as a... GIRL?! That isn't me! I can't identify as that! I can't play a video game if my avatar doesn't represent who I am! AND she's gay?! You mean, this fictional character DOESN'T want to fuck me? I can't call her my waifu! This is BULLSHIT!"
*goes back to playing as Kratos, a literal fucking god*
This and Joel not being the MC/not being treated the way they want their self-insert alpha macho gruff man to be treated
There are some things that I think are very clear.
The attack is being combined in reddit, chans and gags.
It has nothing to do with the history of the game.
It is by supremacists of the alt-right.
The reason is hate.
They think that people are really stupid and don't notice their intrusions.
A mountain of gamers is silent because they agree.
They react because they are being hit in their safe space.
The attack is being combined in reddit, chans and gags.
It has nothing to do with the history of the game.
It is by supremacists of the alt-right.
The reason is hate.
They think that people are really stupid and don't notice their intrusions.
A mountain of gamers is silent because they agree.
They react because they are being hit in their safe space.
Have you played the game? By playing the game those decisions all make sense in the context of the narrative. And the more of the game you play, the more those decisions make sense, and the more impactful things become emotionally and thematically.
Also, I don't think bigots take issue with just the fact that
Joel dies (most predicted this just off his absence in the trailers). Rather that he dies at the hand of a woman, and brutally. I think some people have too much toxic masculinity to accept something like this can or could ever happen, because to them Joel is this iconic alpha male who should have died a hero's death (though he did show a toughness and strength right to the very end).
Ultimately, the way he died was the perfect catalyst for the hatred, anger and motivations manifested by the others throughout the game. Narratively it made sense and hit hard, which was no doubt the intention.
Ultimately, the way he died was the perfect catalyst for the hatred, anger and motivations manifested by the others throughout the game. Narratively it made sense and hit hard, which was no doubt the intention.
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I'd happily wager that the particular plot point you're talking about is something that most of them either don't know about, or don't care about.
Happens before. Astral Chain got it's review bombs removed.
Ye, while i agree that most of the user reviews on metacritic right now are just trolls/organized review bombings, we shouldn't ignore genuine criticism. The graphics and attention to detail already makes this game better then a 0 rating. I have seen popular streamers reacting to that one specific scene and many were not pleased at all.
Not only on Metacritic, I never see a video game got universal hates across all 3 main three video games forum in Chinese languages across different regions regardless political spectrum.
On Taiwanese videogame forum Bahamut it got overall 4.2/10 user scores. https://acg.gamer.com.tw/acgDetail.php?s=86503
The website reviewer got accused of a Sony/ND shill got so much downvotes that they had to pull off the reviews. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W02JXNKclo
The reviewer had to issue an apology to public and kind of admited he gave a positive review to "keep with good term with Sony"
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On mainland China NGA videogame forum it got 1.6/10 user scores. https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=22241259
One of the popular video media share a post that called out Sony China has a history of blacklisting medias who criticize the game;(Themselves got blacklisted because they gave God of War a bad score) https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=22254025
On Hongkong protesters lihkg forum its discussion posts got overwhelmingly down-voted.https://lihkg.com/thread/2058792/page/37 They even opened another post to collect the memes to criticize the game. https://lihkg.com/thread/2070339/page/1?post=1
On Korean forum the discussions of TLOU 2 are overwhelmingly negative. Some Korean streamers just deleted the game and post it on social media.
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On Taiwanese videogame forum Bahamut it got overall 4.2/10 user scores. https://acg.gamer.com.tw/acgDetail.php?s=86503
The website reviewer got accused of a Sony/ND shill got so much downvotes that they had to pull off the reviews. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W02JXNKclo
The reviewer had to issue an apology to public and kind of admited he gave a positive review to "keep with good term with Sony"
《嚴重劇透》最後生還者2炎上➤關於工商這檔事、對大家的道歉、我對劇情的看法
-----【各種社交平台】最近DISCORD有起色：https://discord.gg/JCNbErNTwitch 實況：http://www.twitch.tv/lice0424臉書粉絲團：https://www.facebook.com/Lice0424/-----【＃ 萊斯也在拍生活片？】加入萊斯社群的好...
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On mainland China NGA videogame forum it got 1.6/10 user scores. https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=22241259
One of the popular video media share a post that called out Sony China has a history of blacklisting medias who criticize the game;(Themselves got blacklisted because they gave God of War a bad score) https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=22254025
On Hongkong protesters lihkg forum its discussion posts got overwhelmingly down-voted.https://lihkg.com/thread/2058792/page/37 They even opened another post to collect the memes to criticize the game. https://lihkg.com/thread/2070339/page/1?post=1
On Korean forum the discussions of TLOU 2 are overwhelmingly negative. Some Korean streamers just deleted the game and post it on social media.
Whoever come up this dials between Jesse and Ellie are so braindead.The writers could have literally chosen a million other responses but they had to choose this.
https://imgur.com/XlnJHxO
https://imgur.com/XlnJHxO
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As someone who played the first part numerous times, i had no issues with that decision. It hit me, sure, but not in that way.
It was the first game that depicted him like so, though. It's dissonant to see this dude Who killed Who know how many , assaulted a military structure by himself etc... Being depicted this way in this game.
It's similar to what TLJ got, in that sense, that feel like you have to ruin on the past entries to build the new ones. There could have been tons of way to give a motion to the narrative without involving the main char of the first game.
If you build a toxic violent sociopath as the face of your franchise, this is what you get. Not that i think he was a bad character, It made sense in the context of the game. Here imho it doesn't
fan boys and few other kids, if you read their reviews you will know they never even touched the games which make no sense how can someone review a game without touching it ?
Not only on Metacritic, I never see a video game got universal hates across all 3 main three video games forum in Chinese languages across different regions regardless political spectrum.
On Taiwanese videogame forum Bahamut it got overall 4.2/10 user scores. https://acg.gamer.com.tw/acgDetail.php?s=86503
The website reviewer got accused of a Sony/ND shill got so much downvotes that they had to pull off the reviews. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W02JXNKclo
The reviewer had to issue an apology to public and kind of admited he gave a positive review to "keep with good term with Sony"
《嚴重劇透》最後生還者2炎上➤關於工商這檔事、對大家的道歉、我對劇情的看法
-----【各種社交平台】最近DISCORD有起色：https://discord.gg/JCNbErNTwitch 實況：http://www.twitch.tv/lice0424臉書粉絲團：https://www.facebook.com/Lice0424/-----【＃ 萊斯也在拍生活片？】加入萊斯社群的好...
On mainland China NGA videogame forum it got 1.6/10 user scores. https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=22241259
One of the popular video media share a post that called out Sony China has a history of blacklisting medias who criticize the game;(Themselves got blacklisted because they gave God of War a bad score) https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=22254025
On Hongkong protesters lihkg forum its discussion posts got overwhelmingly down-voted.https://lihkg.com/thread/2058792/page/37 They even opened another post to collect the memes to criticize the game. https://lihkg.com/thread/2070339/page/1?post=1
On Korean forum the discussions of TLOU 2 are overwhelmingly negative. Some Korean streamers just deleted the game and post it on social media.
Whoever come up this dials between Jesse and Ellie are so braindead.The writers could have literally chosen a million other responses but they had to choose this.
https://imgur.com/XlnJHxO
Brother sent me a video of a Korean streamer breaking the game after finishing it. Don't know the context of it though.
User Warned: Posting Spoilers
He did not finish the game, he stopped right after certain scene:
These two guys finished TLOU 2 in a sitting,their reaction:
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He did not finish the game, he stopped right after Joel death scene:
Thanks. Appreciate the context.
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Probably should spoiler tag that before you spoil someone.
Precious alt right snowflakes doing what they do best, being whiny insufferable manchildren, it really sucks because this kind of shit has made user review a useless metric.
Uh, thanks for spoiling the game for me i guess, that's a neat and a really cool thing to do cheif.
Uh, thanks for spoiling the game for me i guess, that's a neat and a really cool thing to do cheif.
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Yo wtf dude why would you do this and quickly change the text after being called out. Seriously I just bought the game. Thanks for ruining it
The first clip looks like someone playing up for the camera, how on earth does anyone justify that sort of reaction to themselves. If it bothers you so much just sell the disc.
I don't know what the spoiler policy of this thread is, so I'm going to tag it
I'm not done with the game yet so if you answer please don't spoil anything.
wait... So besides lgbt representation, people are actually mad about Joel dying and Ellie being the main character?? Maybe that's just me but since the very first teaser with adult Ellie was there ever any bit of doubt about that??Also all these "concerned fans" of the first game did play the first game, right? And the left behind dlc? How is Ellie being gay and it being part of the story surprising anybody??
How fucking fragile to you have to be as a person to get so upset over this?
How fucking fragile to you have to be as a person to get so upset over this?
I'm not done with the game yet so if you answer please don't spoil anything.
I haven't finished the game myself, but apparently there's something in the second half of the game that is very divisive and some people just hate/don't like it. not sure if it's just the altright too. there are some poster in the OT that also say they hate the second half of the game.
it's also not helping that part of Sony embargo for reviews is asking for reviewer not talking about this second half part of the game. so people just latch on the conspiracy theory that it only get high score because reviewer can't talk about the bad part or something
As someone that actually speaks Korean he seemed pretty genuine to me.
It's gone now but I have to wonder why that isn't worthy of a ban?
SushiReese, I'm sure you knew damn well what you were doing and that's kind of fucked.
This is what I am wondering as well. Just a warning seems not fair seeing how big of a spoiler it was. Its like the fucking biggest spoiler you can drop. I fuckig hate this shit
I would, if it would stop me playing the game. A game I would loathe to play for whatever reason deserves a really low score (personally) despite how good the production quality is. I'm not reviewing for the masses, its for me.
Fair enough if you speak the language then you'll better understand the context, but even still not sure any piece of media has provoked me enough to break it, it comes across as unstable if i'm being honest.
I don't get it either. And it's still very visible in the quoted post right below it, so that's cool.