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Thanks to YouTube and some quick-thinking, a new mother from Nashville, Tennesee, was able to deliver her own baby when she was alone in a hotel room as she traveled overseas.

Tia Freeman — who has been computer specialist in the U.S. Air Force for four years — says she didn't know she was pregnant until she had already reached the third trimester of her pregnancy. Because she didn't gain much weight and her birth control had changed her menstruating schedule, Freeman didn't suspect a thing until January when she noticed her belly had become round.

"I came out of the shower one day, walking past the mirror, and I noticed my stomach was, like, really round," Freeman tells PEOPLE. "I had been gaining a little weight, but I didn't gain much, maybe 20 pounds. But I noticed it started to round out more — and I was like, dear god, I really hope I'm not pregnant."

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While on her layover flight to Instanbul, where she would stay for 17 hours before catching a plane to Germany, Freeman started to get cramps midflight. Because she's a vegetarian and had some salmon for a meal on the flight, she figured her body wasn't used to the food and figured that was what she was feeling. Freeman tried to sleep her discomfort away, but once she woke up as the plane readied to make its landing, the cramps had intensified. That's when it hit her that it may not be food poisoning after all.

After Googling, "how do you know you're in labor" and experiencing continual contractions as she made it to her hotel, Freeman realized that she was soon about to meet her baby.

"My cramps are coming back to back, and by then I knew they weren't cramps — they were contractions," she recalls. "And then I'm like, well, what do I do?"

Considering she was in an unfamiliar country where most people don't speak English and she didn't know how quickly the baby would be coming, Freeman opted to take things into her own hands.

"I pull out my phone and I go on YouTube and I legitimately type in, 'How to deliver a baby', and whatever the first video was, that's what I went with," she says. "At that point, my adrenaline and my instincts started to take over, and I wasn't thinking about anything, I was in auto-pilot — read the directions, do what it says, do not deviate from the plan!"

She filled the hotel bathtub with warm water, grabbed two towels — one to bite on, and another to place the baby in—and got ready to push. After just a few minutes (and a lot of excruciating pain), Freeman's son was in her hands.

"The pain of the contractions paled in comparison to the splitting open of my body that actual labor was!" Freeman recalls. "But I think that's one of the main reasons I got through this, I was so focused on the task at hand, I didn't have time to panic."

But there was still more to do, and lots to Google.

Freeman quickly sterilized her pocketknife and a pair of shoelaces and used them to clamp and cut the umbilical cord after finding a WikiHow page through Google, then breastfed her newborn, cleaned up the bathroom, and went to sleep a mother.

But Freeman would need all of the energy she could get the following day, as airport workers pressed her for documentation on the new baby boy that she didn't have when she arrived just a day earlier. After visiting the U.S. embassy and getting her son appropriate paperwork (and proving she wasn't carrying a random baby), Freeman went to the hospital to get a check up on the baby. She stayed in Turkey for another two weeks to rest and prepare the baby for the flight back home.
 

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While this is an incredibly heartwarming story, I can't help but feel how hard this current climate is for a black child born on the soil of a majority Muslim country.

It's sad that this is even a thing, but unfortunately it is.
 

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Wow! Also, this doesn't seem like a little weight, especially if ones diet doesn't really change lol..."I had been gaining a little weight, but I didn't gain much, maybe 20 pounds."
 

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Link to vid? lol

Every time this happens I am genuinely shocked they didn't know they were pregnant. It usually ends with the baby...uh...in an odd place, I'll leave it at that.

Glad to hear this worked out well for once.
 

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"I came out of the shower one day, walking past the mirror, and I noticed my stomach was, like, really round," Freeman tells PEOPLE. "I had been gaining a little weight, but I didn't gain much, maybe 20 pounds. But I noticed it started to round out more — and I was like, dear god, I really hope I'm not pregnant."
 
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Saya

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I'm confused, isn't she going back to the US?

Yeah, she went back:

But Freeman would need all of the energy she could get the following day, as airport workers pressed her for documentation on the new baby boy that she didn't have when she arrived just a day earlier. After visiting the U.S. embassy and getting her son appropriate paperwork (and proving she wasn't carrying a random baby), Freeman went to the hospital to get a check up on the baby. She stayed in Turkey for another two weeks to rest and prepare the baby for the flight back home.

The baby is a US citizen.
 

Red Cadet 015

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I'm confused as to how this can happen. How do you not know you're carrying around a baby? Babies kick and such...
 

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How on earth do you think delivering a baby in your hotel room with the help of youtube is a good idea?
 

Afrikan

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That's AMAZING.... TRULY AMAZING.

Don't get me wrong. And shit I'm a man.. I wouldn't be able to handle birth even if I were at a hospital in a room full of people..

But man....I just hope other women/couples who are in this situation still try to get help at the airport or their hotel lobby before resorting to Google and Youtube.

I understand if she was in the middle of no where....but you can still communicate with people that you are about to give birth, or hell that you need to go to the hospital.
 
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9-Volt

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While this is an incredibly heartwarming story, I can't help but feel how hard this current climate is for a black child born on the soil of a majority Muslim country.

It's sad that this is even a thing, but unfortunately it is.

Half of the country aren't practicing Muslims, only by name. And there are more than a million African descent people in Turkey, whether they are recent refugees or people been living there for centuries.

Racism do exist in Turkey but it's mainly European "White supremacy" kind of racism, not Arabic "Zanj better off as slaves" religious kind of racism. Things are changing in positive way though, the country is slowly embracing the fact that a Turk can be in any color.
 

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She did not have much choice? I mean, I'm sure she would've just rather had the baby in a hospital with doctors and nurses around.

She could have asked the hotel to call an ambulance? Maybe she thought healthcare in Turkey was just as expensive as in the US and was like " There's no way I'm paying 100k out of pocket for an ambulance ride ".

Anyway she's a goddamn warrior. I hope her baby has a long and happy life.
 

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Cramps. Working out too much abs ?
oh give me a fucking break.

people should be accountable for being sus irresponsible nascisists. She went into a gestation like it was nothing and not taking care of the child she would ence deliver 9 months later. how can one be such a irresponsible person? It's there telling she is even highly educated, were are not talking about trailer hillbillies here.
 

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Half of the country aren't practicing Muslims, only by name. And there are more than a million African descent people in Turkey, whether they are recent refugees or people been living there for centuries.

Racism do exist in Turkey but it's mainly European "White supremacy" kind of racism, not Arabic "Zanj better off as slaves" religious kind of racism. Things are changing in positive way though, the country is slowly embracing the fact that a Turk can be in any color.
I don't think that's what they mean. I may be wrong but I think they're referring to the United States. That kid is a US citizen but I'm pretty sure American passports state the place of birth right? Remember that NASA scientist that got detained coming back from vacation last year. Dude was US born and traveling back from Chile and they still treated him like shit.

Seemingly, Bikkannavar's reentry into the country should not have raised any flags. Not only is he a natural-born US citizen, but he's also enrolled in Global Entry — a program through CBP that allows individuals who have undergone background checks to have expedited entry into the country. He hasn't visited the countries listed in the immigration ban and he has worked at JPL — a major center at a US federal agency — for 10 years. There, he works on "wavefront sensing and control," a type of optics technology that will be used on the upcoming James Webb Space Telescope.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ar-detained-cbp-phone-search-trump-travel-ban
 
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I'm confused as to how this can happen. How do you not know you're carrying around a baby? Babies kick and such...
It's more common than you think. Some of the signs of pregnancy can be miscategorized as other medical issues and besides that some people just don't really have that much of a noticeable change during their pregnancy, it happens.
 

Kinthey

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So the birth control changed her cycle and actually failed at birth controlling.

Pretty crazy that she didn't even go to the hospital after the birth
 

Heshinsi

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but when a mexican immigrant has a baby in the US its still a US Citizen even though the mother or father arent US Citizens

whats the difference in this situation

"To become a citizen at birth, you must:

  • Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; OR
  • had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements"

https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship

The United States has citizenship by right of blood and by right of the soil. That covers both examples (the child born in the US to non US immigrants and the child born aboard to a US citizen). Of course certain exemptions exist. For example children of diplomats born in the United States don't get the right to citizenship by virtue of being born in the United States.
 
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but when a mexican immigrant has a baby in the US its still a US Citizen even though the mother or father arent US Citizens

whats the difference in this situation

The parents of this baby are U.S. citizen. Therefor, the baby is one as well. Also since Turkey has citizenship by birth as well, he's also Turkish.
 

Zoe

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Yeah, the whole avoiding hospitals strikes me as very bizarre. Things could have gone very wrong.
 
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Usually this happens quite regularly but with obese people. I gained a bit of weight only 20 pounds is not something most people say. Denial seems more likely to me, also because she didn't go to a hospital. Anyway, happy to hear everything went well and they're both in good health.
 

Heshinsi

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The parents of this baby are U.S. citizen. Therefor, the baby is one as well. Also since Turkey has citizenship by birth as well, he's also Turkish.
Are you sure about that, because unconditional jus soli is rare outside of the Americas? In fact the Turkish citizenship page on Wiki, it mentions that Turkey abids by the principle of jus sanguinis for citizenship for children born in its territory, as does almost all of Europe.
 

Zoe

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Oh come on.

A week later, she took the test, and, she was actually pregnant.

Not realizing just how close she was to her due date and having already booked an expensive two-week trip to Germany a month later, Freeman figured she might still be able to go and make it back in time.

That's just reckless.
 

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Are you sure about that, because unconditional jus soli is rare outside of the Americas? In fact the Turkish citizenship page on Wiki, it mentions that Turkey abids by the principle of jus sanguinis for citizenship for children born in its territory, as does almost all of Europe.

You're right. When I searched again on Google, Turkey didn't have citizenship by birth
 

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Reminds me of the time I was on a flight from France to the US and we had to turn around over the Atlantic because a woman went in to labor.
 
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That's a cool story.

Always blows my mind when someone gets that far into pregnancy and not realize it. Imagine how shocked you would be to be told you are 6-7 months pregnant.
 

gcwy

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That was pretty bold her, but I have a hard time believing that she didn't knew she was pregnant until the very end.
 

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Oh come on.



That's just reckless.

Really should have went for a dating scan.

Also, travel insurance! That's helpful too!

I'm glad mum and baby are doing fine but if you know you're pregnant, it would have been wise to plan for sudden baby arrival as things can get going at any point in Trimester 3 especially.

Edit: However there are plenty of people who do go through pregnancy without knowing. You can continue periods, not really gain weight etc and genuinely give birth not knowing until that point.

However this wasn't one of those cases!
 

Akira86

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I was like....where is there a turkish hotel in America?

and what is a "turkish hotel"?
 

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My first thought upon reading the headline was that it seems like there are a thousand different ways this could go horribly wrong but major props to the mother for being a quick thinker and tough enough to make it work.

Are you sure about that, because unconditional jus soli is rare outside of the Americas? In fact the Turkish citizenship page on Wiki, it mentions that Turkey abids by the principle of jus sanguinis for citizenship for children born in its territory, as does almost all of Europe.

There are different rules in place depending on the baby's father's citizenship and whether the parents are married but because the mother is not an expatriate and just happened to be on vacation at the time, the baby would almost certainly be a citizen by birth.

https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...isition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html

Two possible scenarios:

A person born abroad in wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother and a U.S. citizen father acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), if one of the parents has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the person's birth.

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In light of the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Sessions v. Morales-Santana, 582 U.S. ___, 137 S.Ct. 1678 (2017), a person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother and alien father on or after June 12, 2017, may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person's birth and was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a period of five years, two after the age of fourteen under Section 301(g) of the INA.

I was like....where is there a turkish hotel in America?

and what is a "turkish hotel"?

From the context of the headline and article, a hotel in Turkey.
 

Heshinsi

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My first thought upon reading the headline was that it seems like there are a thousand different ways this could go horribly wrong but major props to the mother for being a quick thinker and tough enough to make it work.



There are different rules in place depending on the baby's father's citizenship and whether the parents are married but because the mother is not an expatriate and just happened to be on vacation at the time, the baby would almost certainly be a citizen by birth.

https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...isition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html

Two possible scenarios:





From the context of the headline and article, a hotel in Turkey.
The baby is going to have Turkish citizenship by birth? My comment was to correct that Turkey allows citizenship by right of the soil, which they don't do. They go by right of blood. Her baby is a US citizen only.
 

Zoe

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I know it becomes a lot harder for fat people to tell if they're pregnant unless they get checked but I don't know. I guess she must've been really enjoying Turkey, I guess.
It was just a layover. She tried to continue the trip (or maybe go back home), but the airline wouldn't allow the baby without paperwork.