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Welcome to Stock Market ERA

The thread all about publicly traded video game developers, publishers and everyone else involved in this industry!

Big, small, American, European, Japanese, you name it, we talk about it.

RISKS

This thread is meant for discussion about stock trading and the general business of publicly traded companies. Discussing buying/selling options is allowed.
However, please note that your actions on the stock market based on information obtained in this thread are your own responsibility. You cannot blame someone else for giving wrong advice on this forum. We are not finanical specialists; you do not pay us for services; any profit or loss obtained from your actions after reading this thread is your personal gain or loss!!

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Disclaimer by KennyL:
- stock market doesn't care for ethics, only money

- stock market doesn't care for quality, only money

- stock market drove shitty game monetization schemes

- stock market most of the time goes whichever way it goes for no good reason, thus

- short term trading is like gambling (at least better than buying lootbox, eh?)

- you'll be salty even if you sold high cuz you didn't sell high enough

- you'll feel trapped by your stocks that tank

- you'll be haunted by could've, would've, should've, regrets

How does the stock market work?

Public companies allow virtually anyone to buy shares in their company. By buying such a share, you become a shareholder (and thus an owner of a small part) of the company. People can buy and sell shares on a stock exchange. Each country usually has multiple stock exchanges, with different kinds of companies listed on each exchange; this can be based on industry, like the Nasdaq and the Dow Jones in the United States, or on size, like in a lot of other countries.

Each company listed on a stock exchange has a share price: the current price of a single share. Based on supply ("late") and demand ("bid"), the price of the shares go up and down. The share price is influenced by general market sentiment, such as macro-economical news or the political climate, and on announcements by the company, such as earnings releases, product reveals/news drops, and news around the company.

How can I buy shares?

To buy shares in whatever company, you have to register yourself at a broker. This is a company that manages your portfolio of shares. You pay your broker a small monthly or quarterly fee for their service and a small fee for each transaction they execute. Your bank can be a broker, but there are also specialised brokers. Brokers have access to wide variety of stock exchanges and will help you get your hands on the shares you want to invest in. Brokers allow you to trade yourself, but a lot of brokers also facilitate options to let specialists at their company trade for you or to help you with trading.

A big European broking company with a fairly cheap do-it-yourself option is DEGIRO (click).

There are also all kinds of stock trading apps that also allow you to tip your fingers in the pool of investing. If you're new to investing, these may be worth to check out as they're usually fairly cheap. However, they also offer less service. Here are a couple of articles with overview lists: click and click

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Terminology

Price
: the price of a single share.
Market cap: the value of a company, based on the share price times the amount of shares available.

Order book: a list of available orders. There is a buy section with bids from interested investors and a sell section with the orders from shareholders who want to get rid of (a portion of) their current shares.
Bid: the current highest bid on a share in the buy section of the order book (people who want to buy).
Late: the current lowest offer on a share in the sell section of the order book (people who want to sell).
Open: the opening price of the trading day.
Close: the closing price of the trading day.

EBIT: Earnings Before Interest and Taxes; also known as operating income.
EBITDA: Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization.
Extraordinary income: non-recurring income; income that was generated from a one-time opportunity.
Gross income / Gross profit: sales revenue minus production costs.
Operating income / Operating margin / Operating profit: Income resulting from a firm's primary business operations (excluding extraordinary income).
Net earnings / Net income / Net profit: the total revenue minus all expenses in a certain period.
QoQ / Quarter-over-Quarter: the difference in results over two adjacent quarters (for example Q2 2018 versus Q1 2018).
Sales revenue: the income realised from selling goods and/or services in the normal operations of a company.
Total revenue: all income in a certain period.
YoY / Year-over-Year: the difference in results over the same period in two adjacent years (for example Q1 2018 versus Q1 2017 or full year 2017 versus full year 2018).

You can look up more terminology at BusinessDictionary.com.
 
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Earnings Release Calendar Q2 2020
Special thanks to ggx2ac.

CD Projekt Q4 (Sep-Dec 2019) - 8 April

Dontnod Q4 - 16 April
Focus Home Interactive Q4 - 21 April (revenues only)
Sumo Digital Q4 (Sep-Dec 2019) - 21 April
Cyberagent Q2 - 22 April
Koei Tecmo Q4 - 27 April
Bigben Interactive Q4 - 27 April (revenues only)
AMD Q1 - 28 April
Microsoft Q3 - 29 April

Activision Blizzard Q1 - 5 May
Electronic Arts Q4 - 5 May
DeNA Q4 - 7 May
Nintendo Q4 - 7 May
Capcom Q4 - 8 May
Paradox Interactive Q1 - 12 May
Starbreeze Q1 - 12 May
Sega Sammy Q4 - 13 May
Sony Q4 - 13 May
11 bit studios Q1 - 14 May
GungHo Q1 - 14 May
Konami Q4 - 14 May
Ubisoft Q4 - 14 May
Bandai Namco Q4 - 20 May
Embracer Group Q4 - 20 May
Take-Two Interactive Q4 - 20 May
Nvidia Q1 - 21 May
Bigben Interactive - 25 May (full report)
Funcom Q1 - 26 May
CD Projekt Q1 - 28 May

Focus Home Interactive Q4 - 25 June (full report)
Codemasters Q4 - June TBA

GREE Q3 - soon
Nihon Falcom Q2 - soon
Marvelous Q4 - soon
CI Games Q1 - soon
Nippon Ichi Software Q4 - soon
Square Enix Q4 - soon

Frontier Developments Q3 - no results
Remedy Entertainment Q1 - no results
Team17 Q1 - no results

I'll keep the OP updated, and don't hesitate to suggest any additions!
 
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Dr. Mario

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Wondering what to do with my Nintendo stock. I still think it's undervalued, but I'm not expecting great news at the earnings release.
 
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Wondering what to do with my Nintendo stock. I still think it's undervalued, but I'm not expecting great news at the earnings release.
This is mostly anecdotal, but from what I heard from retail people I know (again, just anecdotal in a number of stores in the US and Europe), the physical release of Minecraft as well as the launch of Fortnite in the eShop had a noticeable impact on Switch hardware sales, starting right after E3, although the biggest chunk of these sales will fall in fiscal Q2. My personal expectation is back catalogue will keep doing well, but the big question is: will it be enough?

In April-June 2017, the Switch was supply constrained in a big part of the world and didn't have a lot of software back then. I have zero doubt that hardware and software sales will both be significantly higher than last year. But I get hesitant about the effect of the 20 million units promise. Of course fiscal Q1 is a slow quarter, so they're obviously not expected to sell 5 million Switch consoles in this quarter. I personally don't own Nintendo stock, so I don't really know what analysts expect and what shareholders in general expect from this quarter. But I'm pretty sure that the result will be better YoY. And sentiment has also more or less recovered compared to June.

If your own expectations aren't that positive, but you don't want to completely miss out, you can always decide to only sell a portion of your shares and see how it goes.

anything besides reworking the Forecast target will be good news.
Yeah, that's a good one. As soon as they lower the forecast, madness will break out. However, with Super Mario Party, Super Smash Bros. and Pokémon: Let's Go, they expect a huge holiday, so I personally don't expect them to do that yet. Fiscal Q1 has always been slow, so even if they fall a bit short of their internal expectations, my guess is they'll shrug it off. In Japan, pre-orders for these games didn't open until 13 July and the lion share of their holiday pre-orders are still to be made, so I think it's too early for them to panic about that too.
 

Pablo Mesa

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This is mostly anecdotal, but from what I heard from retail people I know (again, just anecdotal in a number of stores in the US and Europe), the physical release of Minecraft as well as the launch of Fortnite in the eShop had a noticeable impact on Switch hardware sales, starting right after E3, although the biggest chunk of these sales will fall in fiscal Q2. My personal expectation is back catalogue will keep doing well, but the big question is: will it be enough?

In April-June 2017, the Switch was supply constrained in a big part of the world and didn't have a lot of software back then. I have zero doubt that hardware and software sales will both be significantly higher than last year. But I get hesitant about the effect of the 20 million units promise. Of course fiscal Q1 is a slow quarter, so they're obviously not expected to sell 5 million Switch consoles in this quarter. I personally don't own Nintendo stock, so I don't really know what analysts expect and what shareholders in general expect from this quarter. But I'm pretty sure that the result will be better YoY. And sentiment has also more or less recovered compared to June.

If your own expectations aren't that positive, but you don't want to completely miss out, you can always decide to only sell a portion of your shares and see how it goes.


Yeah, that's a good one. As soon as they lower the forecast, madness will break out. However, with Super Mario Party, Super Smash Bros. and Pokémon: Let's Go, they expect a huge holiday, so I personally don't expect them to do that yet. Fiscal Q1 has always been slow, so even if they fall a bit short of their internal expectations, my guess is they'll shrug it off. In Japan, pre-orders for these games didn't open until 13 July and the lion share of their holiday pre-orders are still to be made, so I think it's too early for them to panic about that too.
Q1 might have a drop in YoY and is likely some people will panic, but they have already told several times they planed it that way, sacrifice Q1 and Build up Q2 to rush over Q3.

Smash will be a monster, since reveal it has not drop from Top 10 in Amazon Pre-order (and stays relatively high in other sites like Gamestop and Bestbuy) and since Pre-Order open in Japan, is been always in top 3.
 
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"Should I buy this specific gaming stock???"

No, unless you're fairly certain of unexpected information, that investors will like, being revealed soon and you obtained that information legally and not through insider trading.
 

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Sweet can we chat bitcoin here? Since some games offer bitcoin mining in exchange for free video games and a share of the profits

Im gonna invest in crycoin!
 

Pablo Mesa

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No, unless you're fairly certain of unexpected information being revealed soon and you obtained that information legally and not through insider trading.
I mean, if you are goona try your hand at day trading, then no, but if someone feel like having some stocks from a company they like (as long as it dont seems to be sinking), they should go for it as long term investment for growth and Dividends
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BTW Op, cause im sure most people here would be their 1st time, they should NOT USE a broker (its expensive in both the quota and the transactions fees)
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/gobankingrates/10-best-apps-for-timid-fi_b_6556678.html
 
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As a Swede I whished I bought some THQ Nordic stocks that thing was a rocket
Gamescom last year was a wake-up call for me. They had just revealed Biomutant, after revealing Darksiders III in May of that year. Around that time, they also acquired Black Forest Games and had a big interview with GamesIndustry.biz on their growth strategy (click). I found out at them at a terrible moment (right after their earnings release and that acquisition announcement), but still bought them and sat on it ever since. Turned out to be a pretty good move and I personally expect them to grow even further in the next 2-3 years, as they now have access to Koch Media/Deep Silver (which itself also didn't have a great year in 2017 with Homefront: The Revolution and Agents of Mayhem). I don't expect many problems at the Deep Silver front of things and if they can grow their projects to Biomutant/Darksiders III scale (which I have good faith they have some unannounced ones in the pipeline already), things will continue to grow.

THQ Nordic will have their Q2 earnings release on 15 August (7:00 CEST). So far, any earnings release has always resulted in a super green trading day. Of course that will stop at some point, but if you're currently on the fence, I wouldn't wait too long with your (temporary) decision.
 

julian

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Thanks for making this thread! Where if anywhere should gaming adjacent stocks go? For instance, GameStop is obviously related to the market, but they don't produce games. Turtle Beach makes almost exclusively gaming related peripherals. And AMD and NVDIA are obviously big names when it comes to games. Or are you limiting it to publishers/developers to stay more focused?

I shouldn't admit how much of my portfolio is just gaming stocks, but they've done well for me and I still see potential for growth.

"Should I buy this specific gaming stock???"

No, unless you're fairly certain of unexpected information, that investors will like, being revealed soon and you obtained that information legally and not through insider trading.

This is an extremely silly take on buying/selling stocks. If you believe in the long term strategies of a company, you should absolutely consider purchasing stock. And as a gaming enthusiast, you'd be shocked at how much better an understanding you might have of the ebbs and flows of the gaming market compared with traditional investors. Stocks shouldn't be viewed as some frightening investment that only the top echelons of investors should dip their toes into.
 
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Thanks for making this thread! Where if anywhere should gaming adjacent stocks go? For instance, GameStop is obviously related to the market, but they don't produce games. Turtle Beach makes almost exclusively gaming related peripherals. And AMD and NVDIA are obviously big names when it comes to games. Or are you limiting it to publishers/developers to stay more focused?
Gaming adjacent companies go here as well! I mean, even Microsoft isn't exclusively gaming, but it would be silly to leave them out.

The main aim of this thread is to combine stock market and gaming and to discuss about them. You can decide yourself how far you want to stretch it. I don't mind it. :)

I shouldn't admit how much of my portfolio is just gaming stocks, but they've done well for me and I still see potential for growth.
The gaming share of my portfolio has actually grown a lot over the last two years. Tech has been doing very well, so why not.
 

Pablo Mesa

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Microsoft isn't exclusively gaming
Microsoft and Sony stocks are bit more tricky than say Nintendo cause the market values the company as a whole, not just the PS and XB divisions. for a long Time despite PS doing good overall Sony was down being dragged by several dying branches.

on the other hand XB has been sustained by Microsoft most profitable endevours like OS and PC.

so to invest in those 2 would require a little more of commitment to follow up the other divisions too for a better gasp and predictions.
 
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Microsoft and Sony stocks are bit more tricky than say Nintendo cause the market values the company as a whole, not just the PS and XB divisions. for a long Time despite PS doing good overall Sony was down being dragged by several dying branches.

on the other hand XB has been sustained by Microsoft most profitable endevours like OS and PC.

so to invest in those 2 would require a little more of commitment to follow up the other divisions too for a better gasp and predictions.
Wasn't talking about portfolio options, but talk about those stocks is of course also welcome here. However, you're totally right saying that their gaming divisions are only of small influence on those companies' stock performance!
 

Cantaim

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My gaming stocks have been doing excellent and I'm almost ashamed at how much of my portfolio is in the green because of them haha. Used to be more keen on Tencent but I had to pull my money out of it recently as it has been dropping like a rock.
 
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Is there any broker in Europe with 0 commissions (like Robin Hood)?
I don't know about any free ones available in Europe. Perhaps some app that I don't know of.

I personally use DEGIRO, which is a more traditional discount broker. I pay a couple euros as a base transaction fee and a small percentage per transaction; for trading within my own country, I pay €2.00 + 0.02% per transaction and for transactions to most of the rest of Europe, I pay €4.00 + 0.04%. Prices differ per country of residence tho, so you'll have to check out for yourself: https://www.degiro.eu/ . There are probably cheaper alternatives tho. Here's also a list of brokers for the EU: https://brokerchooser.com/blog/best-trading-platform-for-europeans

But I'm not well-informed about the landscape of brokers, so hopefully someone else is able to give a better insight in this.
 

Pancakes R Us

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Thanks for this, OP. I'm based in the UK and I've never invested in any stocks at all and wouldn't know where to begin. I'd like to start at some point, maybe with a few hundred pounds. Will have a proper look and a go, hopefully sometime soon.

If anyone in the UK is reading this, recommendations for good/cheap brokers/managed services would be most welcome.
 

Steel

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As far as game stocks go, the most reliable would be EA and activision, imo.

Thanks for making this thread! Where if anywhere should gaming adjacent stocks go? For instance, GameStop is obviously related to the market, but they don't produce games. Turtle Beach makes almost exclusively gaming related peripherals. And AMD and NVDIA are obviously big names when it comes to games. Or are you limiting it to publishers/developers to stay more focused?

I shouldn't admit how much of my portfolio is just gaming stocks, but they've done well for me and I still see potential for growth.

I invested $100 in Turtle beach for giggles awhile ago and it became 1k+ in a couple weeks. Which is to say, I wouldn't invest in it now as I believe that ship sailed and then some. Gamestop has good dividends but I really don't see a future for them.

Amd/Nvidia have been doing extremely well and I have zero regrets with my purchase of AMD at two bucks. That being said I wouldn't be terribly surprised if some time in the next couple months AMD goes from its current high back down to 14 or so and it taking another year or so to get back to the same place and stay there. Long term either is probably a fine stock.
 

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I don't know about any free ones available in Europe. Perhaps some app that I don't know of.

I personally use DEGIRO, which is a more traditional discount broker. I pay a couple euros as a base transaction fee and a small percentage per transaction; for trading within my own country, I pay €2.00 + 0.02% per transaction and for transactions to most of the rest of Europe, I pay €4.00 + 0.04%. Prices differ per country of residence tho, so you'll have to check out for yourself: https://www.degiro.eu/ . There are probably cheaper alternatives tho. Here's also a list of brokers for the EU: https://brokerchooser.com/blog/best-trading-platform-for-europeans

But I'm not well-informed about the landscape of brokers, so hopefully someone else is able to give a better insight in this.

Thanks! Will have a look at Degiro.
I have already looked at Interactive Brokers but it seems they have some high fees. That's why I wanted to know if there was any commission-free broker in Europe.
 

julian

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As far as game stocks go, the most reliable would be EA and activision, imo.



I invested $100 in Turtle beach for giggles awhile ago and it became 1k+ in a couple weeks. Which is to say, I wouldn't invest in it now as I believe that ship sailed and then some. Gamestop has good dividends but I really don't see a future for them.

Amd/Nvidia have been doing extremely well and I have zero regrets with my purchase of AMD at two bucks. That being said I wouldn't be terribly surprised if some time in the next couple months AMD goes from its current high back down to 14 or so and it taking another year or so to get back to the same place and stay there. Long term either is probably a fine stock.

Oh I wasn't making recommendations on those stocks just questioning whether they belonged in this thread. I had Turtle Beach for a while and sold most too early. But what I have left has obviously done great. I too bought AMD in the $2 range (and tried convincing my in-laws who always tell me what stocks they like) and NVDA in the $20s.
 

KennyL

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You outta lay out down things to watch out for before hyping people into this shit.

Here are some.

- stock market doesn't care for ethics, only money

- stock market doesn't care for quality, only money

- stock market drove shitty game monetization schemes

- stock market most of the time goes whichever way it goes for no good reason, thus

- short term trading is like gambling (at least better than buying lootbox, eh?)

- you'll be salty even if you sold high cuz you didn't sell high enough

- you'll feel trapped by your stocks that tank

- you'll be haunted by could've, would've, should've, regrets

- buy index fund, park it and forget it for 10-20 years
 

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Still really happy i bought EA at $62/share a couple years ago.
 
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You outta lay out down things to watch out for before hyping people into this shit.

Here are some.

- stock market doesn't care for ethics, only money

- stock market doesn't care for quality, only money

- stock market drove shitty game monetization schemes

- stock market most of the time goes whichever way it goes for no good reason, thus

- short term trading is like gambling (at least better than buying lootbox, eh?)

- you'll be salty even if you sold high cuz you didn't sell high enough

- you'll feel trapped by your stocks that tank

- you'll be haunted by could've, would've, should've, regrets

- buy index fund, park it and forget it for 10-20 years
Nice post! And I agree with you. I've added an edited version of it to the OP (removed the last sentence because it could be seen as advice instead of a warning).
 

lt519

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Sold outta Nintendo at $49, total wash for me having bought it in November and seeing it hit $58 but at least I was smart enough to get back out before it plummeted to $39. Tempting where it is now, but if they revise the 20 million forecast down it is going to get worse. I just look at what happened in the Wii era and the stock price action there and am a bit concerned putting money back in unless they show significant gains in another business area such as mobile gaming. The stock rose up on the wild success of the Wii, just like now with the Switch, but they had no other legs to stand on during the Wii era and it dropped heavily shortly after. I'm not sure a moderately successful Wii U could have even held it at the Wii valuation. Might be different now with mobile, but I'm not sold this is any different than what happened 10 years ago.

But to echo the above poster. Short term trading on speculation is dangerous, it's basically gambling. Put 80% of your money in ETFs and then pick some companies you like that you believe will see growth over the next few years and park another 20% there (this advice is general, I'm actually wary of the market in general right now with the tech stocks high valuation driving the overall markets growth, we could see a correction in the next year or two which makes a mid-term strategy of ETFs for a couple years questionable). I'm in Nvidia right now due to AI proliferating throughout all industries and that won't slow down. AMD I'm less bullish on and I think it's at a peak here. If you are going to go with Microsoft do it because of their Azure cloud which revitalized the company, not because of their gaming business. That's why I invested in Amazon a while ago, AWS was a game changer for them. Stay away from MSFT and SNE based on gaming alone. Look at some software companies like EA with solid revenue streams and repeat franchises.
 
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Quample

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I think Activision and their esport dedication is going to really pay off. I don't have any stock right now, waiting for a better price.

Honestly I think gaming stocks are really bloated right now though(along with most of the tech sector), so I would recommend treading carefully.

I did just buy back into Ntdoy a couple weeks ago....maybe not the best move right now but I originally bought them at under 25, took the ride all the way to 55 then sold, now back in around 41 after the stock got hammered. I think the drop was an overraction and Nintendo is doing fine and will continue to feel the success of the Switch for some time. They also have tons of room to grow with mobile now, if they can properly take advantage.

I've also done well with AMD but now is definitely not a good time to buy in considering the trajectory has been straight up over the last couple months.
 
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julian

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I think Activision and their esport dedication is going to really pay off. I don't have any stock right now, waiting for a better price.

Honestly I think gaming stocks are really bloated right now though(along with most of the tech sector), so I would recommend treading carefully.

I did just buy back into Ntdoy a couple weeks ago....maybe not the best move right now but I originally bought them at under 25, took the ride all the way to 55 then sold, now back in around 41 after the stock got hammered. I think the drop was an overractiom and Nintendo is doing fine and will continue to feel the success of the Switch for some time. They also have tons of room to grow with mobile now, if they can properly take advantage.

Nintendo also has been pushing more merchandise, tie-ins, has movies coming out and a theme park. They have enormous room for growth not even looking at their lessons in mobile monetization and Mario Kart mobile coming out. Their stock might be a bit of a ride for the next two years, but long term they still look great to me.
 

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Another one at that AMD train. i have bought at the lows of 2 and sell a little above 15 a while ago. It was nice but that's all for game stocks for me at the moment.
The industry has room for good gains but i am cautious...
 
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ResetGreyWolf

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Oh hey, I thought about making this thread for the longest time but never did. I prefer investing in industries I understand very well, and gaming is one of those. I especially like investing in small game companies and watch them grow. Some, like Starbreeze, grew by ~2000% in relatively short amount of time. I'm also invested in some of the big guys too.

Don't have time to post much right now but I'm subscribing to this thread. I love discussing this stuff so I'll be back.
 
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Sold outta Nintendo at $49, total wash for me having bought it in November and seeing it hit $58 but at least I was smart enough to get back out before it plummeted to $39. Tempting where it is now, but if they revise the 20 million forecast down it is going to get worse. I just look at what happened in the Wii era and the stock price action there and am a bit concerned putting money back in unless they show significant gains in another business area such as mobile gaming. The stock rose up on the wild success of the Wii, just like now with the Switch, but they had no other legs to stand on during the Wii era and it dropped heavily shortly after. I'm not sure a moderately successful Wii U could have even held it at the Wii valuation. Might be different now with mobile, but I'm not sold this is any different than what happened 10 years ago.

But to echo the above poster. Short term trading on speculation is dangerous, it's basically gambling. Put 80% of your money in ETFs and then pick some companies you like that you believe will see growth over the next few years and park another 20% there (this advice is general, I'm actually wary of the market in general right now with the tech stocks high valuation driving the overall markets growth, we could see a correction in the next year or two which makes a mid-term strategy of ETFs for a couple years questionable). I'm in Nvidia right now due to AI proliferating throughout all industries and that won't slow down. AMD I'm less bullish on and I think it's at a peak here. If you are going to go with Microsoft do it because of their Azure cloud which revitalized the company, not because of their gaming business. That's why I invested in Amazon a while ago, AWS was a game changer for them. Stay away from MSFT and SNE based on gaming alone. Look at some software companies like EA with solid revenue streams and repeat franchises.

I think Activision and their esport dedication is going to really pay off. I don't have any stock right now, waiting for a better price.

Honestly I think gaming stocks are really bloated right now though(along with most of the tech sector), so I would recommend treading carefully.

I did just buy back into Ntdoy a couple weeks ago....maybe not the best move right now but I originally bought them at under 25, took the ride all the way to 55 then sold, now back in around 41 after the stock got hammered. I think the drop was an overractiom and Nintendo is doing fine and will continue to feel the success of the Switch for some time. They also have tons of room to grow with mobile now, if they can properly take advantage.

Nintendo is a bit 50/50 yeah. A revision of the 20M forecast is something to watch out for. Although I think the chance they'll revise it now (read: on the 31st) is smaller than during the next earnings release, because they'll have more information on their holiday stock and pre-orders of their blockbusters.

Personally, I sold all of my American video game stock a month or so ago. I'm a bit wary of the disbalance between growth options and expectations by analysts and shareholders. EA already got hit on their nose after their earnings release last week and I'm kinda scared that Activision and Take-Two will follow. Although I'm not as scared for the 'recurring engagement problem' for Take-Two as for EA and Activision, they have the projection of GTAV's success on RDR2 to worry about (look at the expectations of analysts; Take-Two's CEO is scared for a reason).

I still have my European game stock. I've lowered my position in CD Projekt; I made some great returns on Cyberpunk hype, but with the upcoming earnings release on 2 August, I don't want to take the full risk. THQ Nordic is still going strong and the same goes for Ubisoft (ironically, after my EA/ATVI talk).

Cool thread, always wanted to give this a try, just never knew how, thanks for the info OP!

Cool; glad to have you! Feel free to ask things in the thread and be sure to stay cautious, especially for the things KennyL pointed out above (which I've also quoted in the OP). And others have become cautious about tech stocks recently, which is something to consider as well.
 

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I don't usually buy gaming stocks, but I made some decent amount of money with Activision, bought something like 100 shares a decade or so ago when it was around 11 dollars. I sold most of it around 35 dollars or so I believe, but still kept some and bought in a couple times since then. Last purchased some more Activision a few months ago in the 60s, now it's mid 70s. I don't particularly like most Activision games but I like what they are doing in general. That's a long term play that I hope will pay off in a few years.

I also own Nintendo. Bought some way back in the tail end of gamecube and into the Wii days. It shot up like a rocket of course and I sold a lot of that too, but held on to some. Since that time I've bought in at various dips. Currently own about 700 shares of NTDOY and it is also more of a long term.

I'd love to get on MSFT I think that's a good play but I don't have a ton of cash at the moment. Most of my money is in index funds and etfs as opposed to individual stocks. Stocks are more fun to play around with than index funds, as long as you have the money to play with that is.
 
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Oh hey, I thought about making this thread for the longest time but never did. I prefer investing in industries I understand very well, and gaming is one of those. I especially like investing in small game companies and watch them grow. Some, like Starbreeze, grew by ~2000% in relatively short amount of time. I'm also invested in some of the big guys too.

Don't have time to post much right now but I'm subscribing to this thread. I love discussing this stuff so I'll be back.
Yeah, I'm exactly the same. I've been in some other industries, but it was sometimes a bit hard to keep up. Which is why I went into tech and especially gaming stock.

I like smaller companies / those who recently had their IPO as well, but it's very risky. Just look at how Sumo and Codemasters did on the AIM market. I usually wait a couple quarters before I step in. Of course I lose some good margin then, but I personally think that's worth it to offset the risk. Springchickens tend to be unstable. I bought some THQ Nordic stock in early September last year; they were on the market for 10 months by then, but I avoided a lot of risk and still got great returns in the end (although not +2000% or so, at least not yet :P).
 

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A few people here have mentioned selling their stocks when the prices go up or to an amount they're happy with. How does this work, does one have to wait until a buyer comes along or is it pretty much immediately sold?
 

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Anybody with insights into Japanese stocks?

I believe in Capcom after the success of MHW and Sega should be interesting in the coming years if their new strategy will work.
 

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A few people here have mentioned selling their stocks when the prices go up or to an amount they're happy with. How does this work, does one have to wait until a buyer comes along or is it pretty much immediately sold?

depends what you choose to sell at. Generally there will be plenty of people ready with buy orders just a few cents below the stock price
 
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A few people here have mentioned selling their stocks when the prices go up or to an amount they're happy with. How does this work, does one have to wait until a buyer comes along or is it pretty much immediately sold?
You can't sell something unless there's a buyer.
When you lose faith in a share, you can decide to basically write a ticket, saying "I want to sell 50 shares for $100" for example. This will go to the 'late' section of the order book. Meanwhile, someone else who is interested in buying that stock makes a bid, saying "I want to buy 70 shares for $99.90" and another investor who says "I want to buy 20 shares for $100.00". These will go to the 'bid' section of the order book. The order book is public. It will show the lowest price in the 'late' section and the amount of shares that are available ('volume') for purchase for that price; and it will show the highest price in the 'bid' section and the amount of shares people are collectively interested in buying for that price.

When the top of the bid section and the top of the late section have the same price, it means a certain number of shares can be sold for an agreed price. In case of the example, 20 of the 50 shares that are available for $100.00 can be sold. There will be no $100.00 bids anymore and the top of the bid section of the order book will say "$99.90 - 70 shares" after that, while the top of the late section of the order book will say "$100.00 - 30 shares". Others can react on these developments and increase or decrease their bid/offer price.
 

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Welcome to Stock Advice!

Buy an S&P500 Index Fund, hold it as long as possible, and on average you'll earn a healthy and predictable long-run return.

Also, start a Roth IRA right now, and contribute as much to your tax-free 401(k) as you're able to if your employer does any kind of matching.

Okay, bye!
 

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depends what you choose to sell at. Generally there will be plenty of people ready with buy orders just a few cents below the stock price

Also depends if you sell at market or set a sale price.

You can't sell something unless there's a buyer.
When you lose faith in a share, you can decide to basically write a ticket, saying "I want to sell 50 shares for $100" for example. This will go to the 'late' section of the order book. Meanwhile, someone else who is interested in buying that stock makes a bid, saying "I want to buy 70 shares for $99.90" and another investor who says "I want to buy 20 shares for $100.00". These will go to the 'bid' section of the order book. The order book is public. It will show the lowest price in the 'late' section and the amount of shares that are available ('volume') for purchase for that price; and it will show the highest price in the 'bid' section and the amount of shares people are collectively interested in buying for that price.

When the top of the bid section and the top of the late section have the same price, it means a certain number of shares can be sold for an agreed price. In case of the example, 20 of the 50 shares that are available for $100.00 can be sold. There will be no $100.00 bids anymore and the top of the bid section of the order book will say "$99.90 - 70 shares" after that, while the top of the late section of the order book will say "$100.00 - 30 shares". Others can react on these developments and increase or decrease their bid/offer price.
Great, thanks for the info guys.
 

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Anybody with insights into Japanese stocks?

I believe in Capcom after the success of MHW and Sega should be interesting in the coming years if their new strategy will work.

Interactive Brokers offers some japanese stocks, including Capcom:

https://pennies.interactivebrokers.com/cstools/contract_info/v3.10/index.php?action=Conid Info&wlId=IB&conid=14019244&lang=en

But they keep the shares in "Street Name".

Anyone know any broker/institution that offers direct registration of japanese stocks for foreigners?
 
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Yeah, I'm exactly the same. I've been in some other industries, but it was sometimes a bit hard to keep up. Which is why I went into tech and especially gaming stock.

I like smaller companies / those who recently had their IPO as well, but it's very risky. Just look at how Sumo and Codemasters did on the AIM market. I usually wait a couple quarters before I step in. Of course I lose some good margin then, but I personally think that's worth it to offset the risk. Springchickens tend to be unstable. I bought some THQ Nordic stock in early September last year; they were on the market for 10 months by then, but I avoided a lot of risk and still got great returns in the end (although not +2000% or so, at least not yet :P).

Yeah it's risky but I love the feeling of being invested in them and grow with them. I do a portfolio/asset analysis and a brief management analysis based on whatever info is public and then invest a small amount of money that I can afford to lose. Sure it always sucks to lose money but if its only 200 euros then I'll make it back on another stock.

And yeah I missed out on THQ, I honestly didn't see them coming!
 
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Yeah it's risky but I love the feeling of being invested in them and grow with them. I do a portfolio/asset analysis and a brief management analysis based on whatever info is public and then invest a small amount of money that I can afford to lose. Sure it always sucks to lose money but if its only 200 euros then I'll make it back on another stock.

Yeah, I guess. Did you look into the many gaming IPOs in the last three or so months? Codemasters, Team17, Dontnod, and a bit longer ago Sumo Digital as well. Any thoughts on these? I'm personally considering Team17.

And yeah I missed out on THQ, I honestly didn't see them coming!
The announcement of Biomutant last Gamescom was my wake-up call. That looked quite good. Nobody expected they would announce the acquisition of Koch Media six months later tho! That went a lot faster than I expected.
 

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Thanks for the thread, subscribed.

You outta lay out down things to watch out for before hyping people into this shit.

Here are some.

- stock market doesn't care for ethics, only money

- stock market doesn't care for quality, only money

- stock market drove shitty game monetization schemes

- stock market most of the time goes whichever way it goes for no good reason, thus

- short term trading is like gambling (at least better than buying lootbox, eh?)

- you'll be salty even if you sold high cuz you didn't sell high enough

- you'll feel trapped by your stocks that tank

- you'll be haunted by could've, would've, should've, regrets

- buy index fund, park it and forget it for 10-20 years
Agreed for the most part but if you follow the general rule of thumb, buy on bad news, sell on on good news you can avoid most pitfalls.
 

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Are there any good simulation apps for trading fake money based on the real world market?
 

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Can people stop posting that they should just invest in index funds in a thread specifically about gaming stocks? How much you should invest in index funds or which to get or any such conversation should be in a thread giving general investment strategies, not a thread specifically dedicated to gaming stocks.
 

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Sold outta Nintendo at $49, total wash for me having bought it in November and seeing it hit $58 but at least I was smart enough to get back out before it plummeted to $39. Tempting where it is now, but if they revise the 20 million forecast down it is going to get worse. I just look at what happened in the Wii era and the stock price action there and am a bit concerned putting money back in unless they show significant gains in another business area such as mobile gaming. The stock rose up on the wild success of the Wii, just like now with the Switch, but they had no other legs to stand on during the Wii era and it dropped heavily shortly after. I'm not sure a moderately successful Wii U could have even held it at the Wii valuation. Might be different now with mobile, but I'm not sold this is any different than what happened 10 years ago.

But to echo the above poster. Short term trading on speculation is dangerous, it's basically gambling. Put 80% of your money in ETFs and then pick some companies you like that you believe will see growth over the next few years and park another 20% there (this advice is general, I'm actually wary of the market in general right now with the tech stocks high valuation driving the overall markets growth, we could see a correction in the next year or two which makes a mid-term strategy of ETFs for a couple years questionable). I'm in Nvidia right now due to AI proliferating throughout all industries and that won't slow down. AMD I'm less bullish on and I think it's at a peak here. If you are going to go with Microsoft do it because of their Azure cloud which revitalized the company, not because of their gaming business. That's why I invested in Amazon a while ago, AWS was a game changer for them. Stay away from MSFT and SNE based on gaming alone. Look at some software companies like EA with solid revenue streams and repeat franchises.
There is literally zerl change they will revisit forecast this Q1