For any game, trusting an aggregated user score is always a bad idea I'm my experience. Lots of people can only gave a 1 or 5 star review, so I find reading the actual text of their reviews tends to yield better results in general
You could argue that the chuds would be review bombing because of the latest censorship "controversy".
still, being an exclusive AND the controversy surrounding it, was expecting it to be review bombed
It doesn't contain the voices of game developers and groups trying to control them. It's full of fascinating characters that you used to enjoy and wonderful combat music
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I don't understand why you guys are determined to read my review in such bad faith. I wasn't using patriarchy as a "valid excuse" for the design decisions. Do you miss how I call Korea's standards rigid and absurd? I'm a victim of it too. I'm saying it's a direct result of it.
Also I put "male gaze" in quotes because I'm literally quoting the headline.
And they are, but it's tiny. At least on metacritic user reviews.You could argue that the chuds would be review bombing because of the latest censorship "controversy".
Which is so funny, because there are way worse outfits still unchanged in the game.I think they changed 3 outfits to be a little little less revealing
oh dear !I think they changed 3 outfits to be a little little less revealing
They changed her body for the character model too, so it's really a farce.Yet Shift Up went through the song and dance of using a Korean woman for their body model, presumably because she's large-breasted, but here is how her face is reflected in Eve's:
You do call the standards rigid and absurd but it's ultimately a single line, which is followed by what amounts to a lot more text, including quotes from Kim that start to sound closer to an endorsement. For example, you imply that it's a positive to have Korean representation, but I would argue that Eve doesn't represent Korean women, she represents a sexual fantasy perpetuated by Korean society and pop culture. The actual Korean woman, a gravure model, used as a "body model" for Eve still had to be tweaked to fix her imperfect proportions, and her face entirely replaced to satisfy Kim. Kim's argument about it being a "fantasy world" that shouldn't be parallel to our own reality is, frankly, hogwash. You can have a very attractive character that isn't restricted by attempts to make them look realistic but still doesn't go to such an absurd degree. We all know there's a line somewhere, where it crosses from a character being visually appealing, to embarrassing boner bait.
Edit: I edited the post to be (slightly) less combative and hopefully more constructive
Continued from above post, here is what irks me about the idea of Eve representing Koreans:
Even Kojima, who is one of the worst offenders in the industry when it comes to including base pandering in games, still managed to do better than Hyung-Tae Kim on this point. When he used real life models to base the MGS4 bosses on, the end result was a gamified version of the model that still very closely resembled the person they captured in the studio. And she's still obviously beautiful.
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Yet Shift Up went through the song and dance of using a Korean woman for their body model, presumably because she's large-breasted, but here is how her face is reflected in Eve's:
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(It isn't). So I don't buy this idea that Eve is giving Korean fans some kind of much-needed representation. All she's representing is what the Korean man who designed her wants his women to look like. And having women on staff at the developer is not a counter-point at all, unless it was a woman director who asked the artists to come up with that design and workshopped it to the final result we got.
I feel like, when even Kojima is less pernicious than you, you've really done fucked up.
The real Korean rep is Tachy who looks like she went through that horrible trendy eyelid surgery.
Continued from above post, here is what irks me about the idea of Eve representing Koreans:
Even Kojima, who is one of the worst offenders in the industry when it comes to including base pandering in games, still managed to do better than Hyung-Tae Kim on this point. When he used real life models to base the MGS4 bosses on, the end result was a gamified version of the model that still very closely resembled the person they captured in the studio. And she's still obviously beautiful.
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Yet Shift Up went through the song and dance of using a Korean woman for their body model, presumably because she's large-breasted, but here is how her face is reflected in Eve's:
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(It isn't). So I don't buy this idea that Eve is giving Korean fans some kind of much-needed representation. All she's representing is what the Korean man who designed her wants his women to look like. And having women on staff at the developer is not a counter-point at all, unless it was a woman director who asked the artists to come up with that design and workshopped it to the final result we got.
I feel like, when even Kojima is less pernicious than you, you've really done fucked up.
I find it strange for someone so familiar with metal lyrics (full of war and war crime references) to just straight away write off his sentiments as a mere tool to win an argument. Art is shaped by our history, and the way we look at everything we consume is fully shaped by our history too, whether we want it or not.Bringing up (checks notes) war crimes in order to win an argument about (checks notes) video games. OK then
I find it strange for someone so familiar with metal lyrics (full of war and war crime references) to just straight away write off his sentiments as a mere tool to win an argument. Art is shaped by our history, and the way we look at everything we consume is fully shaped by our history too, whether we want it or not.
I'm from Argentina, and this reminds me that my stupid fucking ultra right-wing, Trump fanatic, Elon ass-sucker, clown of a President is constantly telling us that the disappeared on the last dictatorship in my country are just a tool for human rights organizations to steal away money from the government (he also constantly says a whole lot of different bullshit about the matter). He's even on a "cultural battle" to "defeat" the "communist tale" of the "supposedly dissapeared" that is just part of "a bigger machine to ban the progress" that we would get with "true capitalism" once and for all!! lmao. This sad joke of a President believes that a lot of people here that still remembers very well what happened are just trying to win an argument against neoliberalism.
Anyways, back on track, wasn't the Japanese war crimes on Korea a topic in this very forum not long ago, regarding Rise of the Ronin and some commentary by its director or something? I don't think it's tonally out of place in a gaming discussion outside of this particular title even (which I have no intention of playing, by the way).
Bringing up (checks notes) war crimes in order to win an argument about (checks notes) video games. OK then
Continued from above post, here is what irks me about the idea of Eve representing Koreans:
Even Kojima, who is one of the worst offenders in the industry when it comes to including base pandering in games, still managed to do better than Hyung-Tae Kim on this point. When he used real life models to base the MGS4 bosses on, the end result was a gamified version of the model that still very closely resembled the person they captured in the studio. And she's still obviously beautiful.
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Yet Shift Up went through the song and dance of using a Korean woman for their body model, presumably because she's large-breasted, but here is how her face is reflected in Eve's:
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(It isn't). So I don't buy this idea that Eve is giving Korean fans some kind of much-needed representation. All she's representing is what the Korean man who designed her wants his women to look like. And having women on staff at the developer is not a counter-point at all, unless it was a woman director who asked the artists to come up with that design and workshopped it to the final result we got.
I feel like, when even Kojima is less pernicious than you, you've really done fucked up.
I've seen this parroted around with the screenshot from the video the devs put out, but imo if you go to her instagram and see how she actually looks in her day-to-day life and her modeling career, she looks pretty much exactly like the model.I don't think her body looks like the model either, though. It looks like they scanned for maybe some basic proportions but then uhh "adjusted" certain parts.
Comparing Stellar Blade to Nier has been done countlessly everywhere including on Era (hell, everyone wanted that Rear Automata OT title, remember?), including by the dev himself who is buddy with Yoko Taro. So no, I don't think it's appropriate to invoke sexual war crimes largely committed against women in order to defend a titty action game inspired by various other titty action games. I hope this clears up your confusion.This comment confuses me.
It is understandable that a Korean may not want to be judged based off a Japanese game. The hate is still real and raw despite the exchange of pop culture being on the uptick.
Comparing Stellar Blade to Nier has been done countlessly everywhere including on Era (hell, everyone wanted that Rear Automata OT title, remember?), including by the dev himself who is buddy with Yoko Taro. So no, I don't think it's appropriate to invoke sexual war crimes largely committed against women in order to defend a titty action game inspired by various other titty action games. I hope this clears up your confusion.
So no, I don't think it's appropriate to invoke sexual war crimes largely committed against women in order to defend a titty action game inspired by various other titty action games. I hope this clears up your confusion.
Even with review bombing over…lol….censorship, it's sitting at 9.0 after 1400 reviews. 4.8 on the PS store despite the calls to refund the game.
For sure, her ass/proportions also just magically grow in real life when putting on different outfits to make it look even more sexual.I've seen this parroted around with the screenshot from the video the devs put out, but imo if you go to her instagram and see how she actually looks in her day-to-day life and her modeling career, she looks pretty much exactly like the model.
Comparing Stellar Blade to Nier has been done countlessly everywhere including on Era (hell, everyone wanted that Rear Automata OT title, remember?), including by the dev himself who is buddy with Yoko Taro. So no, I don't think it's appropriate to invoke sexual war crimes largely committed against women in order to defend a titty action game inspired by various other titty action games. I hope this clears up your confusion.
I didn't say anything about how anyone should feel concerning Korean representation at all nor am I purporting to speak with any kind of "authority". But you really don't see how invoking incredibly serious and deeply violent crimes against women when discussing a sexist video game is an uncomfortable escalation of rhetoric? As a woman this is what I take issue with.are you Korean? or Asian at all to give you this kind of authority to speak on how i should feel? do you have family thats tried to create art and express themselves only for everything they do be compared to something produced in Japan's economy? tell me your historic in this topic.
edit: there is a direct loud example of racism against Koreans posted in this thread and you're really lecturing me on how i should feel? this is just very sadly dismissive and deeply incurious about other cultural perspectives.
I didn't say anything about how anyone should feel concerning Korean representation at all nor am I purporting to speak with any kind of "authority". But you really don't see how invoking incredibly serious and deeply violent crimes against women when discussing a sexist video game is an uncomfortable escalation of rhetoric? As a woman this is what I take issue with.
Well said.Here's the issue guys. I was simply trying to offer background on the Korean culture that produced it. I literally agree in so many words (and in the links I provide that are meant to be educational) that Korea's beauty culture is patriarchal.
It's alarming to me that many of you hone in on invaliding the Korean part of my review specifically. Of course I bring up Nier in my review and other Japanese culture. That's part of the thread of Korean culture finally trying to stand out despite the influences and cultural hangups. Of course STellar Blade is imperfect Korean representation. Nothing could be perfect. The point of equal representation is to allow our cultures to make mistakes, our bombs. Look, we have a very messy way of interepreting beauty. But here is just one example of our messy problematic yet wonderful and interesting culture. This is my culture. I love Koreans and being Koreans, despite how much i disagree with our culture.
OK. You specifically mentioned the word rape in your original post, which is what I was commenting on. Not your identity."as a woman" ok and as a Korean i take issue with being lectured about my blood. and please see my latest edit.
I don't really disagree with any of that, for what it's worth!Here's the issue guys. I was simply trying to offer background on the Korean culture that produced it. I literally agree in so many words (and in the links I provide that are meant to be educational) that Korea's beauty culture is patriarchal.
It's alarming to me that many of you hone in on invaliding the Korean part of my review specifically. Of course I bring up Nier in my review and other Japanese culture. That's part of the thread of Korean culture finally trying to stand out despite the influences and cultural hangups. Of course STellar Blade is imperfect Korean representation. Nothing could be perfect. The point of equal representation is to allow our cultures to make mistakes, our bombs. Look, we have a very messy way of interepreting beauty. But here is just one example of our messy problematic yet wonderful and interesting culture. This is my culture. I love Koreans and being Koreans, despite how much i disagree with our culture.
Here's the issue guys. I was simply trying to offer background on the Korean culture that produced it. I literally agree in so many words (and in the links I provide that are meant to be educational) that Korea's beauty culture is patriarchal.
It's alarming to me that many of you hone in on invaliding the Korean part of my review specifically. Of course I bring up Nier in my review and other Japanese culture. That's part of the thread of Korean culture finally trying to stand out despite the influences and cultural hangups. Of course STellar Blade is imperfect Korean representation. Nothing could be perfect. The point of equal representation is to allow our cultures to make mistakes, our bombs. Look, we have a very messy way of interepreting beauty. But here is just one example of our messy problematic yet wonderful and interesting culture. This is my culture. I love Koreans and being Koreans, despite how much i disagree with our culture.
OK. You specifically mentioned the word rape in your original post, which is what I was commenting on. Not your identity.
I don't really disagree with any of that, for what it's worth!
I'd be curious to see what you think of Lies of P. It's a great game but I don't remember seeing much discussion about Korean culture concerning this game at the time, but maybe I missed it. That's probably getting a bit off-topic, though.
Nice. I used that sword extensively too xD And Eugenie is indeed adorable, probably the most likeable character in the game.i loved lies of p. i adored the character eugenie and the fact that she gives you a traditional korean sword which just so happens to be the best sword in the game. that's a true authentic splash of korean history and centers our warrior past, which often gets overlooked. so much so that everyone falsely calls that sword a katana lol
Thank you, I appreciate it.edit: and for my word usage yes i can see why you could get that message and im sorry for invoking that. i am from Guam as well so my resentment against colonialism runs deep and hot, so i've always used strong language to describe it.
Good to know that this hasn't really affected the game at all. Though I'm still a bit confused why it happened in the first placeEven with review bombing over…lol….censorship, it's sitting at 9.0 after 1400 reviews. 4.8 on the PS store despite the calls to refund the game.
I am curious as to what you consider to be the stand out features of the Korean beauty standards that are presented in Stellar Blade. I understand that the whole of the character designs reflect the beauty standards, but many of the features overlap with beauty standards elsewhere, so it seems that there should be some set of features or combination of features that are specifically Korean.That's part of the thread of Korean culture finally trying to stand out despite the influences and cultural hangups.
I am curious as to what you consider to be the stand out features of the Korean beauty standards that are presented in Stellar Blade. I understand that the whole of the character designs reflect the beauty standards, but many of the features overlap with beauty standards elsewhere, so it seems that there should be some set of features or combination of features that are specifically Korean.
We can go into the specifics of how Confucianism evolved differently between China, Japan, and Korea and the impact that it had on patriarchal social structures but clutching your pearls when a Korean game studio that makes pervy games gets compared to a Japanese or Chinese studios that ALSO make games for the exactly same audience is not an argument.
This is the same company that made hundreds of millions on the butt-flashing Nikke game. There are almost SEVENTY THOUSAND incels that signed that (American) censorship petition because of minor bits of extra fabric being added to some Stellar Blade costumes. I think it's fair to say that this isn't an accomplishment in Korean cultural expression.
Nah, I'm an American-born Iranian dual-national but I grew up in the Bay Area and actually my best friend for 15 years is Korean. I'll tell you what I tell him on probably a weekly basis:the Korean government just celebrated the release of stellar blade. are you Korean? i am a former president of the Asian American Journalists Association in DC, and we oversee issues of Asian representation in media and popular culture. where do you have the authority to call a Korean product "not an accomplishment in Korean cultural expression?"
edit: it is simply more honest and less problematic if you would simply call it a sexist portrayal of women without erasing the Koreanness of it. you don't have to focus on the Korean aspect at all to criticize this game, yet you insist on erasing it.
Nah, I'm an American-born Iranian dual-national but I grew up in the Bay Area and actually my best friend for 15 years is Korean. I'll tell you what I tell him on probably a weekly basis:
We have the stupidest fucking governments.
Korea has plenty of globally popular cultural products. They don't need to add this one to their all-stars team.
I did not have much time to flesh out my thoughts with that post, and I apologize. I'm glad you pointed out that Lily looks like she is from Final Fantasy. It makes the rest of this post easier to write than if had I tried to write it out before.they're already in my review. the unfair and omnipresent pressure to be perfect and attain conventionalized, commercialized perfect beauty. it's a different kind of pressure than you'd find even in Hollywood.
i don't know how else to describe it other than also Eve and Adam have distinctly Korean faces (Lily looks like she's from Final Fantasy). What do you want me to do, break out the measuring tape?
The AAA console space is the prestige game space, with the highest concentration of budget, technical expertise, and media attention. It is dominated by Western and Japanese companies, much like most other high tech industries. It should not be hard to see why Koreans might want to make a big deal of a well-known entry into this space.Korea has plenty of globally popular cultural products. They don't need to add this one to their all-stars team.