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Star Wars: The Last Jedi |OT3| The War is Just Beginning (Unmarked Spoilers)
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So do you think Luke has a satisfying arc in ROJ?
And for me it's not unbelievable. Sure real people slide and repeat mistakes and struggles. But it's about as satisfying as if a future film opens with Rey having quit the resistance and sitting back on Jakku wondering about her parents.
Luke can have a satisfying arc in both ROTJ and TLJ, they are not mutually exclusive
Another use for Force Choke
Also: The meme about Darth Vader's new girlfriend.
Well you should because people at Lucasfilm point to scenes in it when someone tried to claim people can't survive space on Twitter. ;)
Oh and that was Plo Koon. Not Obi-Wan.
Also in ESB Leia and Han go out on the asteroid/space worm with simple breathing masks. No need for space suits or anything to protect their skin.
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Oh so you are just a sexist POS troll.
He was on set for pretty much the entire production. So I am thinking he is in it nearly as much as Han.
People crying about Luke turning the saber on forget he almost killed his father in ROTJ. And in both cases he backed off, but the consequences for both were different.
I think a lot of people only watched the film once and Kylo's vision is what stuck in their mind.
SOOOOO many people insisted Luke held his saber over Kylo's neck. Which...never happened except in Kylo's crazey-eyed vision.
Yeah, the way the flashbacks are utilized is a pretty fucking direct lift from Rashomon.
Before TFA would you (did you?) ever argue Luke wasn't a fully realized character?
He also tries to kill the emperor lol. If vader doesn't stop him he probably succumbs to the dark side completely
Eh? Obi Wan's the biggest failure in all the films:
- Allows himself to be separated from Qui-Gon during a duel with a particularly nasty Sith. Leads to Qui-Gon's death.
- Insists on taking on a young Anakin as his apprentice, against Yoda and the council's objections.
- Spends the next several years simply hand waving away a lot of troubling signs from his new apprentice.
- Finally confronts Anakin after learning about his completely forbidden sexual relationship with Padme that's been going on right under his nose, his treasonous relationship with a Sith lord, and his child murdering spree at the temple.
- Defeats Anakin, but then leaves the job unfinished. There's really no bigger failure than this in the entire SW saga. His failure to kill Anakin allows the rise of the Empire to take place, and is directly related to millions of deaths and galaxy-wide oppression.
- Despite having failed on a near unprecedented level to this point, Yoda still sees fit to have him hide out on Tatooine and "watch over" young Skywalker until he comes of age. You know. Because Obi Wan has such a great track record as a mentor to young Skywalker folk.
- Sits in a hut watching re-runs of Family Guy for 20 years pushing farts into his couch cushions.
- Trains Luke for 5 minutes. Then fucking dies.
Woot. What a "winner."
this was established several pages ago
there's plenty of interesting discussion to be had without engaging this person
We got 3 different versions of that scene, so maybe that was just too confusing for general audiences? I hope not but I dunno.
And it's telling that to Luke by the time of TLJ, Obi-Wan was just the Jedi Master who created Darth Vader.
Nah, Luke's own version isn't really much better. He's holding it to the side but he himself talks about the absolute fear it put in Ben's eyes and all.
Its not Ren's cartoon version but it's none the less a massive screw up. The movie is insistent that's it's a massive screw up.
Personal attack when you don't have interesting thing to bring is pretty common, doesn't bother me much.
Luke's split second thought about killing Kylo is completely in character. That's Luke - he usually acts impulsively at first based on raw emotion, but always manages to get his head into things and reel it in.
It's like people completely forget ROTJ wherein Luke spends a good chunk of the final confrontation running on pure rage as he straight up tries to murder his father.
It's like people completely forget ROTJ wherein Luke spends a good chunk of the final confrontation running on pure rage as he straight up tries to murder his father.
Perhaps I'm giving more credit to the character than he deserves in the moment, but even the first time watching the movie I did not interpret the "real" version of the story as Luke turning on his lightsaber intending to kill Ben. It was more like "I sensed incredible darkness and instinct kicked in" like a spider sense thing. Or like it's shown how Qui-gon and Obi-wan act in TPM when they sense something wrong. I never interpreted it as "I regret that I thought for a moment of killing my nephew" but more as "I regret that I didn't have more discernment about my behavior and how it looked"
Yep, I think the best case is block anyone who spews out alt-right nonsense. And throwing around the term Mary Sue is alt-right through and through.
Obi-Wan's greatest failure, this haircut.
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good rat-tail at your side.
I'm just gonna assume the book about the dress code burned with the tree
We've diverged somewhere.
This is the post that I originally responded to.
My only argument was that he was already that after the OT.
If Obi-Wan had killed Anakin on Mustafar wouldn't the Empire still rise anyway? The Clonetroopers had already killed most Jedi. The Death Star would still be built. The Rogue One mission might even have had less casualties.
This is rubbish. One of the best aspects to the film is its just not clear what happened or whose telling was accurate. I like the vagueness over Kylo and Lukes break.
Um, you realize that whole thing ends with Luke throwing aside his lightsaber and literally telling the closest Dark Side master "you've failed" and fully embraces the light side and won't use his powers for killing.
The only issue I have with Luke's split-second moment of weakness is that it feels like it retreads an aspect of Luke's character that was already resolved
1) It happens during fights, Obi Wan was young and unexperimented, how many siths did he fought before him ?
2) He doesn't like Anakin at first, he's taking him as apprentice by respect for his master.
3) He wasn't closed of Anakin as much as you think, the animated series clone Wars shows that and even so, being reckless and evil are too different thing.
4) Confronting someone that have bad behavior is the right thing to do.
5) He thoughts he was gonna died, he was cut in half and almost drown in lava, he couldn't achieved him because he loves him, pretty much.
6) irrelevant
7) ok
8) still achieved much than Luke in TLJ.
Obi-Wan's greatest failure, this haircut.
Can't deny the haircut part.
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Perhaps, but I still think that for my money, the version of him at the end of TLJ is a better version of who we all thought he was at the end of the OT.
1 moment in defense of his sister with his arc being completed after that point.
No one forgot. The odd thing is that it's seem like people forgot he stopped and threw his light saber away and tells the Emperor he's failed.
Will you be okay with him raging in IX?
Saying it was "already resolved" assumes that Luke's character is a checklist of traits and achievements rather than a real person who can have ebbs and flows in his emotions and motivations.
This was also a defense of his sister, and Han, and his students and the whole galaxy. He saw a future where Ben would destroy all of that.
That in no way contradicts my post.
Fact: in ROTJ Luke gives into rage and tries to kill his father.
Fact: in ROTJ Luke gets over his initial emotional impulse, lets his brain take over, refuses to kill Vader and embraces the light side.
Fact: in TLJ Luke considers killing Kylo.
Fact: in TLJ Luke gets over his initial emotional impulse, lets his brain take over, refuses to kill Kylo and embraces the light side.
Couldn't be more in character. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Which is totally fair and understandable.
I feel it backslides the character a bit.