Idk I consider stripping a character from any personality and throwing them in the back "ruined"D) Thinks TROS is one of the worst movies in the series and is glad that Rose didn't get ruined like every other character did in that movie.
Idk I consider stripping a character from any personality and throwing them in the back "ruined"D) Thinks TROS is one of the worst movies in the series and is glad that Rose didn't get ruined like every other character did in that movie.
I think it's still better than "rewriting them to lose all character development from the last couple of movies then doing some dumb shit with them" in a lot of ways.Idk I consider stripping a character from any personality and throwing them in the back "ruined"
I didn't even like Last Jedi and I thought JJ might have gone too far in a few places in his relentless crusade to unmake it and erase it from existence.
It was pretty silly that this movie introduces multiple utterly pointless characters to function as minor plot contrivances when Rose had literally nothing to do and so she just stood around looking at plastic set screens.
As a nice example of Abrams ignoring what Johnson did.
Okay but did Charlie from Lost really need all that dialogue they could have tossed her way? I screamed at him having two pages in the Visual Dictionary and Rose having an excerpt.
For real, these two speaking roles could have been Kelly's.Greg Gunberg from heroes had more lines than Rose
JJ has to support his faves and sideline the character the Alt right despises so they buy tickets.
I mean I respectfully disagree if your logic is "because movie bad I'm glad the actress got less time being her character"I think it's still better than "rewriting them to lose all character development from the last couple of movies then doing some dumb shit with them" in a lot of ways.
Remember when Carrie Russel showed up as a voiceover for a body double wearing a big stupid robot head that they CGI'd her eyes onto in one scene, and her role was to be hostile to our heroes only for one scene later to give them an incredibly rare and powerful MacGuffin that she's been planning her entire life to find and use to escape her planet.He should have given her more.
At the same time--I think it *is* important to note that there are new resistance members of some standing and that's hard to sell if none of them really talk.
I'd have included Rose in one of the films many adventures across various planets and had her take a blaster wound to the leg or something at the end of it.
Nobody is crying about Jar Jar's diminished screen time in Episodes II & III!
It's funny because a lot of people around here were also blaming JJ after Rian Johnson pretty much sidelined Finn too in TLJ.
NopeIf by "masterpiece" you mean worse than Attack of the Clones, then sure.
TLJ is easily my 2nd favorite star wars movie but that whole section is nonsense. She crashes into him which could have killed him and then they're both stranded about a mile away from their base with no working vehicles and her knocked out all right next to the entire First Order army and they somehow make it back unscathed.
Yeah Finn prolly just would have gotten blasted and then they would have fired up the cannon again but still, worst part of the movie by far.
It sucks but the last film needed to focus on what is supposed to be the core 3 heroes.
Though im not sure why Poe is considered that.
TLJ didn't help by having them all spilt up the whole film.
Remember when Carrie Russel showed up as a voiceover for a body double wearing a big stupid robot head that they CGI'd her eyes onto in one scene, and her role was to be hostile to our heroes only for one scene later to give them an incredibly rare and powerful MacGuffin that she's been planning her entire life to find and use to escape her planet.
Why not rewrite that awful character as Rose on an away mission instead.
"We're stuck in this occupied village, how can we possibly escape? The only way past the blockade is if we can get passage on an official ship!"
"Does anyone need a lift" *Rose steps in flipping the magic First Order coin*
It sucks but the last film needed to focus on what is supposed to be the core 3 heroes.
Though im not sure why Poe is considered that.
TLJ didn't help by having them all spilt up the whole film.
Poe is barely in TFA. And doesn't even interact with Rey until the end of TLJ. It seems really odd that he could be considered part of the trio compared to Luke, Han, and Leia in the original trilogy.Poe is overrated since TFA. Boring character with no background. TFA actually did terrible setting up the main characters. They get picked up by the plot and all magically all get along like best buds. Finn and Rey at least have some inner conflict, Poe is really boring. Rose was far more "real" than Poe, but her character was annoying and introduced in an awful plot, completely separated other than from Finn, when she should have been with Poe and Finn. If they had put all three together I'm sure she could have stuck in RoS.
I'm not saying that tropey scene would have been great (this trilogy needs a page one rewrite for any part of this final movie to approach "great") but Zorii Bliss is such a nonsensical character now who exists exclusively to reassure audiences that Poe isn't gay and draw a nice paycheck for one of JJ's friends.That would have been much worse. While the new characters that JJ introduced were underwritten, they at least add some flavor to the different planets the trio visit and help make the galaxy feel lived in.
Keri Russell also has infinitely more screen presence than Kelly.
Poe is barely in TFA. And doesn't even interact with Rey until the end of TLJ. It seems really odd that he could be considered part of the trio compared to Luke, Han, and Leia in the original trilogy.
Wat? C3PO is the best he's ever been in TRoS, he was vital.
Poe is barely in TFA. And doesn't even interact with Rey until the end of TLJ. It seems really odd that he could be considered part of the trio compared to Luke, Han, and Leia in the original trilogy.
And yet that didn't save him from being reduced to pining after Rey like a love struck teen. TLJ was on to something with him that could've really blossomed here, but oh well, I guess.
Okay but did Charlie from Lost really need all that dialogue they could have tossed her way? I screamed at him having two pages in the Visual Dictionary and Rose having an excerpt.
Okay but did Charlie from Lost really need all that dialogue they could have tossed her way? I screamed at him having two pages in the Visual Dictionary and Rose having an excerpt.
Argument could be made that the female heroine's power was retconned at the last moment to be due to the power of a (male) villain's bloodlineThe bad takes are endless. Kowtowing to racists when you're the guy responsible for steering one of the biggest IP releases of all time with a female heroine and black male hero, and introducing more characters of colour in the final release of the trilogy too. Infact, TRoS is arguably the most progressive Star Wars ever made.
Why should the majority be the only people who are listened toThis is a classic example of absolutely nothing being spun into a giant controversy by social media and the internet. People will have to "answer" for this, even though the vast majority don't give a fuck.
Argument could be made that the female heroine's power was retconned at the last moment to be due to the power of a (male) villain's bloodline
The black male hero retconned to receive no focus and no arc
The characters of colour introduced just so male characters of colour could have someone to have tension with
But I didn't say it :)
dont forget the 'not gays'Argument could be made that the female heroine's power was retconned at the last moment to be due to the power of a (male) villain's bloodline
The black male hero retconned to receive no focus and no arc
The characters of colour introduced just so male characters of colour could have someone to have tension with
But I didn't say it :)
Love it how some people are saying "Her story was done in the last movie. We don't need to expand on it here" When we literally brought the villain from the old trilogy back from the dead who's story was more then wrapped up.
dont forget the 'not gays'
All black people know each other.
Woman falls for abusive hottie.
This. It boggles my mind the shit people spew about her character, and her and Finn's arc. If lasers aren't flying about or if lightsabers aren't clashing, I wonder if people ever pay attention.Yeah, you didn't understand the movie. You don't have to like the casino sidequest, but it has an obvious purpose in the story. Finn starts the movie ready to abandon the fight because all he cares about is himself. He just wants to escape the First Order forever.
When he gets roped into the casino mission, he sees how bad for the galaxy that selfishness is. These rich scumbags who keep slaves, abuse animals and are perfectly happy for the galaxy to be at war as long as they can live the high life. These are the people that Finn would be throwing his lot in with by abandoning the fight against the First Order. People like DJ who only look out for themselves. Rose helps Finn to get over that selfishness and commit to the cause, although he goes a bit too far towards the end and has to be stopped from throwing his life away for nothing.
That's not "no relevance to the story". That is the story.
I've seen so many articles on this, it's insane. The movie and trilogy had so many problems. Rose's lack of screen time on the last movie was not one of them. She was an under developed borderline uninteresting character dropped in the middle of a trilogy. She got more screen time than Jar Jar did in the last movie of his trilogy, and he was basically the star of the first one.