ezekial45

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Shane Carruth, ‘Primer’ and ‘Upstream Color’ Director, Arrested on Domestic Violence Allegations

Shane Carruth was arrested on Thursday morning on suspicion of domestic violence and vandalism, but no charges have been filed.

This news might resonate more with the film crowd. For folks who don't know the guy, Shane Caruth directed the time travel movie Primer, along with the trippy drama film Upstream Color. Both were well received, and he was held up in the film community as an indie darling for a long time. He most definitely inspired a lot of filmmakers in the 2000s and early 2010s. In recent years, though, he's distanced himself from movies after failing to get his third movie off the ground and has been increasingly antisocial and bitter. This all came to a head when he had a falling out with his former girlfriend Amy Seimetz, and she subsequently filed a restraining order against him after their breakup. She's a prolific actor and director in her own right -- She Dies Tomorrow was her most recent film. Caruth, out of spite, shared details and documents about their relationship during the release of Seimetz's film, which took away a lot of attention from it.

This particular arrest was with another girlfriend he met later. His behavior over the last decade got increasingly more toxic. I feel for these victims, and I hope they'll be able to recover and get some closure. But it's also so disappointing to see such a talented creative waste himself and be so shitty for no reason. He needed to get help a long time ago.
 
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This is tragically not surprising considering the giant egocentric asshole trajectory he seemed to be on. Hope he gets both the punishment and help to stop victimizing people.

Assholes that terrorize their partners deserve swift fucking punishment.
 
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metsallica

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This guy sucks and his movies suck and have always sucked. Hopefully this is the last we have to hear about him.
 

Joshua

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I didn't know about the stuff that went down with him and Seimetz and this voicemail he left her (which came to light because of the restraining order) is yikes:

In a May 15 message, which is attached to her request, Carruth allegedly said "You are Shiva, the goddess of death. I see you. I will know when it's time for you to be done… You should be scared. You don't know what I'm going to do… You should be scared."
 

Jakenbakin

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Yeah when I looked into his 3rd movie recently I found out stuff about this dude that made me regret considering myself a fan. Dudes an asshole.
 

thecouncil

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I didn't know about the stuff that went down with him and Seimetz and this voicemail he left her (which came to light because of the restraining order) is yikes:

this entire article regarding amy seimetz's restraining order is yikes. all those messages and the abuse...

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‘Upstream Color’ Director Shane Carruth Accused of Abusing Ex-Girlfriend

"Upstream Color" and "Primer" director Shane Carruth is accused of sending threatening emails to director Amy Seimetz after they broke up.
 

Fatoy

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Primer was a very singular film. I enjoyed it a lot, and it did feel like Carruth was a genuine new talent. Upstream Color was clearly the work of complete narcissist, and I hated every self-absorbed minute of it.

It also sounds like his personal life has followed on from that latter trajectory, so this news isn't surprising. I feel bad for both of his victims.
 

19thCenturyFox

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Fucking psychopath. There is an insane movie script of his that I hoped would get made at some point called The Modern Ocean but fuck that if he profits from it.
 

Vonocourt

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Had no idea about Amy Seimetz filing a restraining order against him. And now he got arrested for abusing another ex.

Sounds like a piece of shit and I hope he never tries to come back into the industry.
 

DanGo

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I bought Upstream Color and never got around to watching it. Something tells me I never will.

Guy's obviously a danger to women everywhere.
 

Roven

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This reminds me of how much I hated upstream color. One of the worst films I've ever seen
 

Sounds

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I loved primer and upstream color, but what a fucking slime bag this guy is. Good riddance.
 

Grifter

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I'd wondered if there was any follow-up to that restraining order tweet. Guy sounds hollowed out.
 
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Erigu

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This guy sucks and his movies suck and have always sucked.
Nah. To the latter part, I mean.
Sure would be simpler if assholes only produced shit (would certainly make sense!), but that's not how it works... Primer was great, Rosemary's Baby was great, Spacey was a great actor... It makes perfect sense that you wouldn't want to support those people in any way, but their works are what they are. As inconvenient or disheartening as that may be.
 

metsallica

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Nah. To the latter part, I mean.
Sure would be simpler if assholes only produced shit (would certainly make sense!), but that's not how it works... _Primer_ was great, _Rosemary's Baby_ was great, Spacey was a great actor... It makes perfect sense that you wouldn't want to support those people in any way, but their works are what they are. As inconvenient or disheartening as that may be.
I mean, opinions are subjective? I did not enjoy Primer; I'm glad you did. Also please don't get me started on Upstream Color.
 

Erigu

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I mean, opinions are subjective? I did not enjoy Primer; I'm glad you did. Also please don't get me started on Upstream Color.
If that's really all it is, then, sure. Sorry for wrongly presuming something else (threads like these always have those seemingly obligatory "never liked the guy!" posts, and it feels to me like some people are just trying to rewrite history into a more convenient, comfortable narrative).
 

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It is a shame he went down this dark spiral. Primer is a unique film made more impressive by how Carruth accomplished it, for years I hoped he would bring another good story to the screen. It seems that achieving success and approaching Hollywood unraveled him and from there it was a downhill culminating in this abhorrent behavior.
 

metsallica

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If that's really all it is, then, sure. Sorry for wrongly presuming something else (threads like these always have those seemingly obligatory "never liked the guy!" posts, and it feels to me like some people are just trying to rewrite history into a more convenient, comfortable narrative).
Definitely all it was. Not a fan of the behavior you're talking about either; not denying that Primer was well-received and had a cult following. I tried, and after catching Primer on DVD was in the theater day 1 for Upstream Color. I feel like people have frequently used his films to make other moviegoers feel like they're "lesser than" if they didn't grok what he was putting out. I found his stuff needlessly convoluted and nowhere near as smart as he (or others) thought it was.

"Yeah, well, ya know, that's just like uh... your opinion man!"
 

Erigu

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not denying that Primer was well-received and had a cult following. I tried, and after catching Primer on DVD was in the theater day 1 for Upstream Color. I feel like people have frequently used his films to make other moviegoers feel like they're "lesser than" if they didn't grok what he was putting out. I found his stuff needlessly convoluted and nowhere near as smart as he (or others) thought it was.
Oh, I was more thinking of Primer, really. I'm not entirely sure what to make of / where I stand exactly regarding Upstream Color, but Primer impressed me in more ways than one.
 

metsallica

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Oh, I was more thinking of Primer, really. I'm not entirely sure what to make of / where I stand exactly regarding Upstream Color, but Primer impressed me in more ways than one.
Primer is unquestionably his better film. Upstream Color feels like what someone would make after they spent entirely too long getting "high" on their own supply. It's essentially gibberish unless you are literally the writer/director. A movie made for one from a person who completely bought into their own hype.
 
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Primer is unquestionably his better film. Upstream Color feels like what someone would make after they spent entirely too long getting "high" on their own supply. It's essentially gibberish unless you are literally the writer/director. A movie made for one from a person who completely bought into their own hype.
Up there with The Boondocks Saint's 2 and Southland Tales for the hat trick of prentetious blowhard bullshit.
 

metsallica

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Up there with The Boondocks Saint's 2 and Southland Tales for the hat trick of prentetious blowhard bullshit.
Yep. 100%. The trifecta / trilogy of awful. At least Richard Kelly doesn't seem to also be human excrement out of that group, unless I've missed something there too.
 

Reedirect

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I'm not going to retroactively denounce his movies - they are pretty great on their own - but this guy completely burned out a few years back (not just creatively, but mentally), and he's been on a huge downward spiral ever since. I hope he seeks help because this is just inexcusable.
 

Nappuccino

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Fuck. I was hoping Seimetz's restraining order would have been a wake up call to him.

I hope both his victims get the help they deserve and I hope Shane gets the help he needs.