SEGA has released Daytona USA 3 as a free download on PC!

[Pix]

Grab it while you can, there's a chance it could possibly be taken down

http://www.segaarcade.com/news/free-software-upgrade-for-daytona-championship-usa.html

Someone is currently working on getting the controls to work properly http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,156159.0.html

 

[Fularu]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/daytona-usa-3-arcade-can-run-on-any-old-pc-now.13297/

Still that's prety much piracy

 

[crookedaxis]

they did not. it's an update for arcades, that with a few turnarounds can work on PC... or something like that.
tbh, it's piracy.

now why they would update the game like this is weird, it's like they don't give a shit.

 

[Silky]

You can't even control the cars

This is, piracy

 

[Yappa]

btw. what about that new Daytona arcade game? Will that ever come out on consoles/PC?

 

[Alvis]

I'm having a hard time understanding how downloading a .exe file officially distributed in SEGA's page and modding it is "piracy". Unless modding is now ilegal.

Is downloading the Just Cause 2 demo and using cheat engine to disable the time limit piracy too? (no, it isn't)

 

[sibarraz]

I'm having a hard time understanding how downloading a .exe file officially distributed in SEGA's page and modding it is "piracy". Unless modding is now ilegal.

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Because it was never the intention to be used as an standalone software?

 

[Plumpbiscuit]

It isn't piracy if it's officially distributed for free lmao

 

[ManaByte]

It isn't piracy if it's officially distributed for free lmao

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It is when you have to literally hex edit hack the file to get it to run on your PC.

 

[Alvis]

Because it was never the intention to be used as an standalone software?

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So?

Nintendo's intention with Xenoblade wasn't for me to rip the disc, copy it to a PC, apply a 60 FPS patch and play it on my computer. is that piracy too? Is not using a piece of software as intended piracy? Where is the line drawn? Please elaborate

It is when you have to literally hex edit hack the file to get it to run on your PC.

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Oh, hex editing games is illegal now? Better shutdown quick all these sites that distribute mods, including hex editing of exe files, to get old games running in new computers and such. Piracy! It was never the intention!

 

[scitek]

You can't even control the cars

This is, piracy

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Can I buy the game on PC somewhere?

 

[Coldman]

Unsure how to feel about this, mainly because it's SEGA being really, really stupid and distributing the game for free themselves, regardless of commercial intent.

Either way, they should probably just release this shit on consoles sooner rather than later.

 

[ManaByte]

So?

Nintendo's intention with Xenoblade wasn't for me to rip the disc, copy it to a PC, apply a 60 FPS patch and play it on my computer. is that piracy too? Is not using a piece of software as intended piracy? Where is the line drawn? Please elaborate

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This is an update for people who own the multi-thousand-dollar arcade machine. That's why it doesn't work on your PC without hacking the file.

It's no different than someone ripping a CD-ROM game and then requiring you to install a CD crack to play it for free after downloading it.

 

[Neptonic]

It isn't piracy if it's just SEGA being stupid

 

[Alvis]

This is an update for people who own the multi-thousand-dollar arcade machine. That's why it doesn't work on your PC without hacking the file.

It's no different than someone ripping a CD-ROM game and then requiring you to install a CD crack to play it for free after downloading it.

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Again: so?
I got a .exe through the official page of the company. Then I mod the game as I see fit in my local hard drive.

Where is the piracy. Modding is not ilegal, regardless of whether you got the game buy purchasing a disc, or by an *official* free download.

Maybe distributing the patched .exe can be considered piracy. Maybe.

But showing which lines to change in the hex editor, or distributing a patch file for the exe that ONLY contains your changes and is then applied to the original file you got via SEGA? Nope, not piracy.

 

[7threst]

What is Sega thinking distributing an update this way? Is that standard procedure? I can hardly imagine...

 

[ManaByte]

Again: so?
I got a .exe through the official page of the company. Then I mod the game as I see fit in my local hard drive.

Where is the piracy. Modding is not ilegal, regardless of whether you got the game buy purchasing a disc, or by an *official* free download.

Maybe distributing the patched .exe can be considered piracy. Maybe.

But showing which lines to change in the hex editor, or distributing a patch file for the exe? Nope, not piracy.

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If you downloaded the game and set it up on your Daytona arcade machine, it isn't piracy.

Downloading the game and cracking it to work on something it wasn't intended to work on makes it piracy.

 

[Bjones]

It's illegal but I personally don't think Sega gives an F, but don't try to convince yourself is morally okay.

 

[Deleted member 5167]

Can I buy the game on PC somewhere?

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...what? How is that relevant to something being piracy?

 

[Alvis]

If you downloaded the game and set it up on your Daytona arcade machine, it isn't piracy.

Downloading the game and cracking it to work on something it wasn't intended to work on makes it piracy.

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So emulators are piracy. Right? ATLUS was right when they tried (and absolutely failed) to take down RPCS3 because they didn't want Persona 5 to run on PC.

Right?

 

[roguesquirrel]

What is Sega thinking distributing an update this way? Is that standard procedure? I can hardly imagine...

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I poked around on the site and it seems the typical procedure is to order an upgrade from them and be given a secure download link. This is the only one i could find thats just out there for anyone to download.

 

[sibarraz]

Again: so?
I got a .exe through the official page of the company. Then I mod the game as I see fit in my local hard drive.

Where is the piracy. Modding is not ilegal, regardless of whether you got the game buy purchasing a disc, or by an *official* free download.

Maybe distributing the patched .exe can be considered piracy. Maybe.

But showing which lines to change in the hex editor, or distributing a patch file for the exe that ONLY contains your changes and is then applied to the original file you got via SEGA? Nope, not piracy.

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Read the article were you can download the patch, the repeat constantly that the update is for consumers that bought the board machine, if you feel like downloading the archive because SEGA Arcade was dumb enough to upload it in a free page is up to you, but this is not sega officialy distribuiting the game for everyone, and in the end IS piracy.

Even your xenoblade example doesn't aplly, since you bought the game (I believe)

 

[VariantX]

...what? How is that relevant to something being piracy?

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I think this simply comes down to if Sega intended for everyone to be able to download this, or only for certain parties to have access.

 

[7threst]

I poked around on the site and it seems the typical procedure is to order an upgrade from them and be given a secure download link. This is the only one i could find thats just out there for anyone to download.

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Yeah I checked out the site too for similar cases but couldn't find anything.

I did find out Sega made a Luigi's Mansion cab, have to check that out once haha

 

[Alvis]

Read the article were you can download the patch, the repeat constantly that the update is for consumers that bought the board machine, if you feel like downloading the archive because SEGA Arcade was dumb enough to upload it in a free page is up to you, but this is not sega officialy distribuiting the game for everyone, and in the end IS piracy.

Even your xenoblade example doesn't aplly, since you bought the game (I believe)

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This is not any different from taking advantage of a price error in PSN or XBL in where they accidentally put a game for free and then quickly correct it.

Is that piracy?

Or that one time Amazon had a bug that put the Xbox One at 0$ ln checkout. Did they pirate a console?

Yes, I bought Xenoblade.

 

[caff!!!]

yeah, this is more or less piracy if you aren't using the disk image as intended

 

[Deleted member 5167]

I think this simply comes down to if Sega intended for everyone to be able to download this, or only for certain parties to have access.

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I mean, I get the "reasoning" behind "If they didn't want me to download their game for free they wouldn't have put it on a public link not intended for me, and would have done a better job obfuscating their code" to rationalise pretty clear cut piracy, but "If I can't buy it then I;m entitled to it for free" is sooooooooooooo out of left field as a rationalisation

 

[ManaByte]

This is not any different from taking advantage of a price error in PSN or XBL in where they accidentally put a game for free and then quickly correct it.

Is that piracy?

Or that one time Amazon had a bug that put the Xbox One at 0$ ln checkout. Did they pirate a console?

Yes, I bought Xenoblade.

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You don't have to hex edit a game that has a price error to get it to run on your console.

 

[Fularu]

The fact that the files are "freely" available is irrelevant. You can download most games in full right now but to play them you need to purchase a license (or edit the executables so that you crack the game in order to run it).

Making a silly comparaison with mods is missing the point because :

1 - it doesn't apply, you typically purchase (and thus own) the game you're attempting to own
2 - In order to execute this locally on your PC you have to circumvent its hardware protections so that it no longer requieres the arcade cabinet

Aka it's piracy

 

[Deleted member 5956]

Information missing from this thread is that initially the link included the entire base game as well as the update, that's why people are able to get it working on their pc's. The link was later updated to only have the update files which are as good as useless without the rest of the game.

 

[Deleted member 5745]

It isn't piracy if it's just SEGA being stupid

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Underrated post.

 

[Faust]

This is straight piracy, it's for people who bought their arcade machines. This is not a free release of their game for whoever wants it.

 

[Bjones]

This is not any different from taking advantage of a price error in PSN or XBL in where they accidentally put a game for free and then quickly correct it.

Is that piracy?

Or that one time Amazon had a bug that put the Xbox One at 0$ ln checkout. Did they pirate a console?

Yes, I bought Xenoblade.

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That's not piracy .. it's just people being scummy if they know it was a mistake.

But the big difference here is you can't just play the exe. You have use a hex editor to unlock it.

 

[Alvis]

You don't have to hex edit a game that has a price error to get it to run on your console.

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And what if I did?

Let's say I hex edit the Just Cause 2 demo to remove the time limit and the invisible walls. Is that piracy?

No, it's modding.

Is all hex editing considered piracy? Or only this case arbitrarily?

I'm not even interested in playing this myself but it's absolutely ridiculous to try to argue that this is piracy.

 

[Deleted member 11018]

Downloading the game and cracking it to work on something it wasn't intended to work on makes it piracy.

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The whole thing's value is the cabinet experience anyway... Cracking to allow a binary to run a software on another hardware is not piracy in some countries, it is interoperability. Use without license something acquired through open official channel is another matter and might be illegal. Some countries condemn reverse engineering even for interoperability as well, so act according to your laws.
i know i d rather go to a local arcade and play daytona 2 anyway.

 

[Bjones]

And what if I did?

Let's say I hex edit the Just Cause 2 demo to remove the time limit and the invisible walls. Is that piracy?

No, it's modding.

Is all hex editing considered piracy? Or only this case arbitrarily?

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You modded a free demo that was made to play for free. Complete different.

 

[Deleted member 5596]

The fact that the files are "freely" available is irrelevant. You can download most games in full right now but to play them you need to purchase a license (or edit the executables so that you crack the game in order to run it).

Making a silly comparaison with mods is missing the point because :

1 - it doesn't apply, you typically purchase (and thus own) the game you're attempting to own
2 - In order to execute this locally on your PC you have to circumvent its hardware protections so that it no longer requieres the arcade cabinet

Aka it's piracy

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You can't download games without a license, not a single digital store allows you to download the game without paying.

Not saying your are wrong in essence, but your first argument is just wrong.

 

[Deleted member 1849]

Running something on unintended hardware does not make it piracy according to nearly every legal definition of the word. Neither is the argument that Hex editing is required, come on now.

Not to say there isn't an argument for copyright infringement here, just that shouldn't be the argument you use. There's completely the valid argument that this is intended only for people who already have a license (by owning the machine), and by downloading it you are in breach of that.

Sega were just really, really fucking stupid to make this freely available online.

 

[lynux3]

I just can't believe they're using Dropbox as an official way to deliver this update. Seems shady to me.

 

[Chucker]

So?

Nintendo's intention with Xenoblade wasn't for me to rip the disc, copy it to a PC, apply a 60 FPS patch and play it on my computer. is that piracy too? Is not using a piece of software as intended piracy? Where is the line drawn? Please elaborate

Oh, hex editing games is illegal now? Better shutdown quick all these sites that distribute mods, including hex editing of exe files, to get old games running in new computers and such. Piracy! It was never the intention!

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Did you buy Daytona USA 3? Because that's the what you're saying you did with Xenoblade which I personally have no issue with.

The idea is this was a mistake, people who did not purchase the game are going in and reverse engineering it to work on unintended platforms for free. I mess around with anything I can and even I think this is a bad look.

 

[A Syrian Communist]

It is when you have to literally hex edit hack the file to get it to run on your PC.

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Fuck I hex edited Dark Souls 3 to make it run at a 21:9 aspect ratio, someone alert the authorities

 

[ManaByte]

Fuck I hex edited Dark Souls 3 to make it run at a 21:9 aspect ratio, someone alert the authorities

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But Dark Souls 3 can run on your PC without requiring a hex edit.

 

[Deleted member 5167]

Cracking the time limits on demoware is also piracy brehs.
Rationalise things all you want, but its pretty clear cut

 

[Dreamwriter]

And what if I did?

Let's say I hex edit the Just Cause 2 demo to remove the time limit and the invisible walls. Is that piracy?

No, it's modding.

Is all hex editing considered piracy? Or only this case arbitrarily?

I'm not even interested in playing this myself but it's absolutely ridiculous to try to argue that this is piracy.

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In the US hex editing to bypass copy protection is illegal.

 

[caff!!!]

And what if I did?

Let's say I hex edit the Just Cause 2 demo to remove the time limit and the invisible walls. Is that piracy?

No, it's modding.

Is all hex editing considered piracy? Or only this case arbitrarily?

I'm not even interested in playing this myself but it's absolutely ridiculous to try to argue that this is piracy.

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it's not the same case, the demo was officially released to a public audience and this snafu was an update for an arcade machine that accidently had all the files needed to run the game with exe cracking tools

 

[BernardoOne]

If you downloaded the game and set it up on your Daytona arcade machine, it isn't piracy.

Downloading the game and cracking it to work on something it wasn't intended to work on makes it piracy.

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Not by any legal definitions of piracy actually.

 

[aspiegamer]

It's piracy in a somewhat different skin than people usually think about on PC, but it's still piracy. That the page title is "free software update" should be a pretty big hint that this isn't meant for everyone.

Fuck I hex edited Dark Souls 3 to make it run at a 21:9 aspect ratio, someone alert the authorities

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I'm thinking you also own a license for it.

 

[Alvis]

In the US hex editing to bypass copy protection is illegal.

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I don't believe they are bypassing any copy protection. Just modding the game so that it works in a different machine than the one it's designed to run on. Completely different.

In any case, I thankfully don't live in the US.

 

[ManaByte]

I don't believe they are bypassing any copy protection. Just modding the game so that it works in a different machine than the one it's designed to run on. Completely different.

In any case, I thankfully don't live in the US.

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The copy protection is a check to see if it's running on an arcade cabinet or not. By hex editing out that check, it's bypassing the copy protection.

 

[ListeningGarden]

Cracking the time limits on demoware is also piracy brehs.
Rationalise things all you want, but its pretty clear cut

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You'll have to give some legal definitions of this, which should be no problem if it's as clear-cut as you say.

In the US hex editing to bypass copy protection is illegal.

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Was this ever actually put into practice? Also, would you mind telling me which Copy Protection schema is being bypassed in the scenario that poster gave?