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Something I will gladly pay when the times comes after my studying is done and I have a job. Im pro high tax.

Seems like people actually misunderstood my post. A lot of people are first and foremost looking out for themself and their families, that was a general comment, not directed at me.

What I meant with not owing my neighbour anything, he didn't do anything for me that makes me owe him one, but I will help the neighbours when they need help.
 

MrRob

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Oh no oh no... They sky is falling because of an outlier Rueters poll.

Defeatists.
 

Starviper

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How about the party you just said whose policies you generally align with?

Because as I just stated, while I agree with most of their policies (in all likelihood i'll vote democrat for minor candidates if the other options aren't great) the Democratic party has several issues in regards to how the organization is run. I detest the idea that they pick a favorite candidate and run ads and support them even before the primaries have selected a candidate. It seems counter to a fully democratic process.
 

Kaitos

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In general it seems they're just more undecided than committed to Republicans. Which sort of makes sense for a midterm year.

It's interesting but I'm not sure if entirely notable.
 

Foffy

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So I guess it's fair to say that the country in general is becoming more right wing. The republican party is already an extremist right wing party filled with bigots, liars and cheats so where does that leave the democrats? I certainly hope this doesn't push them even further right. I know it's just a single poll but it sickens to hear that there are so called independents who are generally just right wingers who don't want to admit it. A vote for any republican is giving voice and power to evil.

This is the whole problem.

I'll just put it one simple question: where are people going due to their job losses via automation? They're going to the party that doesn't believe automation exists.

By all means, be a fuckin' moron and fall for the empty cons. It may take the whole country down, because Americans are fucking stupid people. Empty responses of neonationalism predicate on all of the problems of neoliberalism, and for people to be dumb enough to still believe Donald Trump, the largest con man in current world history, is for the "little guy" is a position worthy of causing a stroke.
 

Xando

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Not suprising. Economy is doing good, tax cuts is putting money into pockets and democrat message has been mostly "We're not Trump" from what i've seen.

You can see the problem in this very thread. Instead of trying to convince someone to vote democrat he gets insulted for not voting.
 

Jackpot

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P.S This is pretty normal. Most people turn conservative as they get older and have children

The Republican party isn't "conservative" though. They employ radical policies that have tumultuous and disruptive direct effects on the average person. Party of small government, softly-softly, fiscal conservatism, etc. they ain't.
 

Raxus

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Not to mention voting gives you a voice.

Who would really behind a cause of someone who doesn't vote? Then you cry about politicians not caring about you.
 

SieteBlanco

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I just want automation to violently hit America in the face and send millions to the unemployment lines. Fuck people and fuck mankind; let's just dedicate everything we have to rushing forward with AI and see where it takes us.
 

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White (almost clear) millenial guy here. I'm going hard and fast to the voting booth in midterms to vote in every democrat on the ticket. You could nominate a sea sponge and I would enthusiastically vote for it over the republican. Sovereignty from foreign powers (Russia) comes first and foremost.
 

Trey

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I just want automation to violently hit America in the face and send millions to the unemployment lines. Fuck people and fuck mankind; let's just dedicate everything we have to rushing forward with AI and see where it takes us.

The misanthropic extension of hyper technocratic capitalism is always fun to see.
 

Sesha

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Makes sense. Actual millennials are growing older, probably more jaded and have been more exposed over time to right wing propaganda, and the post-millennials are supposedly more conservative overall.
 

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This is the whole problem.

I'll just put it one simple question: where are people going due to their job losses via automation? They're going to the party that doesn't believe automation exists.

By all means, be a fuckin' moron and fall for the empty cons. It may take the whole country down, because Americans are fucking stupid people. Empty responses of neonationalism predicate on all of the problems of neoliberalism, and for people to be dumb enough to still believe Donald Trump, the largest con man in current world history, is for the "little guy" is a position worthy of causing a stroke.
This is my takeaway. Milennials are getting older and realizing that they're kind of screwed. I'd imagine its a lot easier to get wrapped up in the party that gives you empty but hopeful answers. It's probably even easier when you're a white dude who isn't being regularly target by that party.
 
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the wave is fucked.

P.S This is pretty normal. Most people turn conservative as they get older and have children, start making money etc. Mellenials are entering their 30s and getting pissed at their stagnant careers, raising kids and paying thousands in property, federal, state, city, medicare and social security taxes.

getting older? This is 18-34 bracket which is basically the age you are starting to vote and least conservative. This isn't 40+ this is the young people.

Quite alarming
 

SieteBlanco

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The misanthropic extension of hyper technocratic capitalism is always fun to see.

I'm a techno-socialist. The automation of every aspect of human life was always the true endgame of Marxism. If people won't learn, an AI powerful enough to take control away from the ruling class is the only way to avoid bloodshed after the rise of automation.
 

Blader

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Because as I just stated, while I agree with most of their policies (in all likelihood i'll vote democrat for minor candidates if the other options aren't great) the Democratic party has several issues in regards to how the organization is run. I detest the idea that they pick a favorite candidate and run ads and support them even before the primaries have selected a candidate. It seems counter to a fully democratic process.

The party backing and supporting a candidate in a primary does not preclude democratic participation. And it's not always a guarantee of success for that candidate either. We've seen House candidates, as different as Dan Lipinski to Laura Moser, win primaries this year despite the DCCC either not endorsing them or outright opposing them.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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No, I just won't vote.

An automatic vote for the greater of two evils. Nice.

I'm a millennial voter in America, and while I hesitate to align with any particular party I will always vote for who I believe is the lesser of the two evils. I don't need some idealistic god/dess that represents perfectly how I view the world. Because that just won't ever happen.

In 2020 I will vote for whoever is not Donald Trump. I expect that, when push comes to shove, many other millenials will do the same.

Stop being an apathetic part of the problem.
 

SteveWinwood

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USA USA USA
Something I will gladly pay when the times comes after my studying is done and I have a job. Im pro high tax.

What I meant with not owing my neighbour anything, he didn't do anything for me that makes me owe him one, but I will help the neighbours when they need help.
YES

THEY

DID

its called taxes. again.

something you apparently dont pay so its no suprise you dont understand how they work
 

ShyMel

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The gender gap when it comes to Trump is absolutely gigantic. D support has leaned female, R support male over the years, but this ratio is ridiculously skewed.
The gap between Clinton and Trump by gender was 54 to 41. While there is a gap, I do not know if I would call it huge. The racial gap was bigger, at 37 to 58. And the Alabama exits polls showed Moore winning white women. While the Democratic party does have the backing of women, white women still vote for Republicans in droves.
 

Kusagari

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Wouldn't the youngest of the 18-34 age group officially be Gen Z now?

I'm actually curious if that could play a part in this.
 

Trey

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More people should be independent. Not just in your affiliation but in your actual approach to candidates/policy.

It's not practical and doesn't really end up mattering in the grand scheme of things because the majority of independents vote for one party consistently.

You think you're being impartial - and you might even be! - but you're not saying much of anything.
 

Tesseract

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i think most people are realizing that the government sucks, and they don't wanna give them any of their money

i cannot say i blame them
 

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I guess I can see white people being dragged into trumpism by other white people, whereas the reverse isn't going to happen because they can't be reasoned with. Basically you can convince dumb people to the wrong side but once they are there it's basically impossible to bring them back.
 

Inuhanyou

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That's one obvious observation there. The writing was on the wall when they stopped giving a shit about actual policies and started demonizing anyone who did. Younger people are not idiots or subscribe to corp media to get all their information in general, so establishment types will naturally fall by the wayside.
 

konka

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the wave is fucked.

P.S This is pretty normal. Most people turn conservative as they get older and have children, start making money etc. Mellenials are entering their 30s and getting pissed at their stagnant careers, raising kids and paying thousands in property, federal, state, city, medicare and social security taxes.

That is demonstrably not true.
 

FreezePeach

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That's one obvious observation there. The writing was on the wall when they stopped giving a shit about actual policies and started demonizing anyone who did. Younger people are not idiots or subscribe to corp media to get all their information in general, so establishment types will naturally fall by the wayside.
Oh, i'd beg to disagree if the sentiment is 'i wont vote'. Not voting won't stop "the man" from fucking your ass up.
 

Foffy

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Not suprising. Economy is doing good, tax cuts is putting money into pockets and democrat message has been mostly "We're not Trump" from what i've seen.

You can see the problem in this very thread. Instead of trying to convince someone to vote democrat he gets insulted for not voting.

Who is the economy doing good for when most cannot afford a sudden $500 expense? The surprising thing is to be so daft to assume the bolded is anything truthful.

These empty talking points are best left to dipshit pundits who want to defend God Emperor Trump. They absolutely do not belong in the space of talking about the real economic climate, because if one tries to do so, they're not even on a pulse.

Why oh why is the economy doing so well that people are holding back on spending because of the tax cuts? Spending is down because people are saving money, likely knowing the little nuggets they get will have to be spent in something being gutted for those breadcrumbs in the first place.

Shit on the Democrats for not having a comprehensive vision and narrative, but by all regards, don't fall for the Republicans whos narrative can't even work in a parallel universe. Just consider the GOP's stance is that climate change isn't an issue and automation will not impact the economy until the 2060s and is the same party wanting to put work requirements on services during a period of precarity and an opioid crisis. If you believe any of these positions is smart or sensible, I would share words that would clearly get me banned from this forum, because I have no patience for that level of stupidity, especially when the lives of other people will suffer by those empty positions.

I just want automation to violently hit America in the face and send millions to the unemployment lines. Fuck people and fuck mankind; let's just dedicate everything we have to rushing forward with AI and see where it takes us.

Be very careful for what you wish for. It's not moving us forward; if anything, people are becoming more open to empty neonationalistic feel good bullshit.
 

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I don't think the Dems in power have much of an incentive to do better when they know that they'll keep getting votes just because they aren't republicans. The two party system sucks, but it remains advantageous for both of the established parties. I want the Dems to do better and move away from the right and to the left. I don't want them to even consider letting anti-choice candidates run. I want the Dems to embrace and express radical ideas that turns out their base.
 
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Democrats fucking suck. Yes, they are no Republican party, which is just a fucking tire fire nightmare disaster. But running on "Hey we aren't as bad as the other guys!" isn't a great way to run a party. You would think they would learn something from the energy Sanders had, but no. Centrist corporatists until the end days it looks like. This country needs a real leftist party.