Remember that god awful time Marvel tried to replace mutans/X-men with Inhumans?

[DragonSJG]

So due to movie rights, Marvel was trying to move away from mutant stuff and they tried to replace the X-men with Inhumans with some dumb comic book storylines that were just urgh. Honestly, Inhumans failing made me so satisfied plus Ike sucks ass. Anyway, this was one of the worst moments in Marvel History honestly

 

[Deleted member 7051]

At least it gave us Ms Marvel, I s'pose.

 

[ShotyMcFat]

Well in the end it worked out for them since Disney bought Fox and got all the movie licenses back.

 

[FormatCompatible]

That tv show was so bad.

 

[The Silver]

Yes I remember when they tried to turn Cyclops into a "mutant Hitler" for the horrific crime of......destroying one part of a planet roaming inhuman cloud that kills mutants.

 

[WrenchNinja]

I've been reading comics for twenty something years and the Inhumans have always been bafflingly uninteresting. So it was very strange seeing Marvel try to substitute them with their most interesting property.

 

[Nakenorm]

The Inhumans are dope and deserved better, but so did the X-Men at the time. It was all bullshit really. Sucks the F4 had to go as well but at least Ben and Johnny showed up in other books.

 

[Strings]

I can remember a couple of years ago, sure.

 

[Scottoest]

That tv show was so bad.

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[dang0]

Eh, to be honest I liked that era of inhuman comics more then most X men stuff I read. That being said, the whole Inhumans vs Xmen thing was so stupid from a PR angle.

 

[Zulith]

They clearly weren't serious about replacing the X-Men or they wouldn't have gone with the low-budget poorly planned tv series. While the X-Men were going through a low at the time, I saw it as them trying to drum up interest in one of their lesser known properties because they are always looking for more teats to squeeze, particularly now that Disney owns them. Same thing is happening now with Eternals.

 

[VAD]

heh, I liked it. It's a shame it was at the expense of the Xmen though.

 

[crimsonECHIDNA]

Yes I remember when they tried to turn Cyclops into a "mutant Hitler" for the horrific crime of......destroying one part of a planet roaming inhuman cloud that kills mutants.

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Man it was such a sight to see Marvel desperately attempt to quadruple down on the "nonono, Cyclops was totally supposed to be the heel" when the kicker was he wasn't even the one to destroy the terrigen cloud, It was Emma Frost using a psychic projection of Scott becuase he had already died because of the mist.

 

[The Silver]

Man it was such a sight to see Marvel desperately attempt to quadruple down on the "nonono, Cyclops was totally supposed to be the heel" when the kicker was he wasn't even the one to destroy the terrigen cloud, It was Emma Frost using a psychic projection of Scott becuase he had already died because of the mist.

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Cyclops is the most powerful comic book character for beating editorials constant attempts at character assassination, he was just too Right.

 

[Memento Mori]

Cyclops is the most powerful comic book character for beating editorials constant attempts at character assassination, he was just too Right.

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What's abundantly clear about that whole situation is that it came down from editorial that Cyclops had done something awful and all writers had to throw him under the bus but no-one had decided what his actual crime was. Eventually they had to finally establish what Cyclops had done to be called Hitler by characters on page. And it was destroying a poisonous gas cloud.

 

[Wallace Wells]

Remember when it was going to be a film lol

 

[Melhadf]

Was that the show where the bad guy overthrew the royal rulers to make a more equal society?
Because like with Stargirl the bad guy was right.

 

[Smoolio]

Hmm would it be better if Ms Marvel was a mutant? Or too much baggage i'm thinking.

 

[TheEchosOfTheCyborg]

At least it gave us Ms Marvel, I s'pose.

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From what I've heard from the behind the scenes, Kamala was in the works before all that happened, it's possible if that hadn't happened, she would have been a mutant. That being said, the Nuhumans are the best thing to come out of it.

I don't like the Inhuman Royal Family, well not as heroes anyway because besides Crystal, they really come across (Black Bolt especially) more like villains or barely heroic like Namor. I think people and Marvel's (aka Ike Perlmutter) attempt to make them, former slavers, isolationists, elitist, nearly all white etc as analogies for underrepresented people like X-Men (who don't really work most of them for that either to be honest) just didn't work at all doubled with the awful X-Men vs Inhumans thing, especially giving it started with Black Bolt committing a terrorist attack, forcefully turning people into inhumans without their consent and making the mutants infertile... Like how do you make that side look good or in the "right" after that?

All that being said, I do feel sorry for fans of Inhumans during all of this, makes me wonder if Ike hadn't forcefully pushed them as much as he did would reception nowadays been better or had better works made for them and it did sound they were improving the stuff with the Royal family... Until this happened after Marvel got the movie rights back:

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[Nakenorm]

Remember when it was going to be a film lol

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a mcu Inhumans film would've been awesome.

Hmm would it be better if Ms Marvel was a mutant? Or too much baggage i'm thinking.

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What no? Why would it be better for her to be a mutant? Doubt she would be hanging out with Lockjaw if she wasnt an Inhuman

 

[Deleted member 442]

I liked the recent Karnak series, but can understand people having issues with it both due to the actions of Warren Ellis and the overall tone of it.

I feel that Black Bolt as a member of the Avengers (MCU or otherwise) has potential since he represents a different kind of character to what is usually seen due to his status as a king to his people. For myself the representation of T'Challa as King of Wakanda was some of the most impactful and heartfelt story telling in Black Panther, and with the possibility of seeing Namor in the future or another monarch from Marvel I'd be interested to see what could be done with a genuinely thoughtful telling of the story of Black Bolt.

Trying to replace mutants and the overall mythology of the X-Men with Inhumans was clearly flawed from the get-go. That's not to say that there isn't potential in the Inhuman royal family or the wider group, given the right creator with the right kind of creative freedom a really impactful and genuine story could be realised in print or on the screen.

Off the top of my head the story of the Inhuman royal family itself could be framed in the context of a Shakespearean tragedy. Let's just make sure that there are no scenes where anyone gets hit with a nightstick.

 

[Xater]

I agree that the obvious plot to downplay the X-Men and kind of making the Inhumans replace that void was dumb. Giving the Inhumans more of a focus though is not bad in my opinion.

 

[BWoog]

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It was really amazing to see Scott Buck, the guy responsible for this shit and the first terrible season of Iron Fist, flat out say "Yeah we cut Medusa's hair because we didn't have money and fuck it."

There was absolutely a way to propel the Inhumans without shoving the X-Men in the corner, and legit sterilizing them in the story, but Marvel was pushing them for YEARS. The Inhumans aren't the X-Men and they shouldn't be treated as such, especially in the shit way that Marvel tried to.

 

[NintendoSwitchLover]

So due to movie rights, Marvel was trying to move away from mutant stuff and they tried to replace the X-men with Inhumans with some dumb comic book storylines that were just urgh. Honestly, Inhumans failing made me so satisfied plus Ike sucks ass. Anyway, this was one of the worst moments in Marvel History honestly

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this is very well timed for the mr Sunday movies video that just came out haha

inhumans is just such a boring concept, marvel has been pretty good at making meh-tier characters more appealing on screen but when Feige is even against doing it then you know it's pointless

 

[TheBaldwin]

It was really amazing to see Scott Buck, the guy responsible for this shit and the first terrible season of Iron Fist, flat out say "Yeah we cut Medusa's hair because we didn't have money and fuck it."

There was absolutely a way to propel the Inhumans without shoving the X-Men in the corner, and legit sterilizing them in the story, but Marvel was pushing them for YEARS. The Inhumans aren't the X-Men and they shouldn't be treated as such, especially in the shit way that Marvel tried to.

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Wow the same dude who ran this show also ran iron fist. What a way too make pretty much the only two bad pieces of media from the MCU. Jesus

 

[OmniGamer]

Borrowed from a previous thread...pretty much sums up the TV show. "Why....."

 

[Scottoest]

It was really amazing to see Scott Buck, the guy responsible for this shit and the first terrible season of Iron Fist, flat out say "Yeah we cut Medusa's hair because we didn't have money and fuck it."

There was absolutely a way to propel the Inhumans without shoving the X-Men in the corner, and legit sterilizing them in the story, but Marvel was pushing them for YEARS. The Inhumans aren't the X-Men and they shouldn't be treated as such, especially in the shit way that Marvel tried to.

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I mean, the real reason they pushed the Inhumans was because Marvel didn't own the movie rights to the X-Men - so they essentially tried to downplay and sabotage them in the comics, while boosting the Inhumans to be their Marvel-controlled stand-ins. Probably the same reason Fantastic Four got sidelined.

Then they bought Fox, and that plan became irrelevant. Which was a good thing, because that limited series show was garbage, and was basically the death of any hope of the Inhumans taking the place of the X-Men in the film universe, lol.

 

[tata toothy]

a mcu Inhumans film would've been awesome.


What no? Why would it be better for her to be a mutant? Doubt she would be hanging out with Lockjaw if she wasnt an Inhuman

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Was he bred to have health issues like real bulldogs?

 

[Scottoest]

Wow the same dude who ran this show also ran iron fist. What a way too make pretty much the only two bad pieces of media from the MCU. Jesus

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Also the same dude who was showrunner for the last three seasons of Dexter, which were awful. He never should have gotten the gig to begin with, let alone TWO of them.

 

[SamAlbro]

The only good things to come out of the Inhumans push were Ms. Marvel and Quake.

 

[Nakenorm]

Was he bred to have health issues like real bulldogs?

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Uuuh.. let's just say no

 

[Squid Bunny]

I mean that was just a few years ago right?

The best thing Inhumans did was burn down Ike Perlmutter.

 

[Soupman Prime]

The series is the one big misstep, I've heard of all the background noise and it still sucks they gave us that shitty series instead of a feature film. Not the biggest Inhumans fan but Black Bolt is definitely one of my favorites and he and everyone else was butchered.

Can't have a guy who could defeat the Avengers with a cough look so bad.

 

[entrydenied]

Was he bred to have health issues like real bulldogs?

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Inhumans look like regular humans until they get exposed to terrigan gas. That's where their powers and other physical transformation manifest. So Lockjaw used to be a regular humanly inhuman. Someone else also became a door.

 

[Mariolee]

LOL @ OP do you also watch Mr. Sunday Movies?

 

[Dali]

Was that the show where the bad guy overthrew the royal rulers to make a more equal society?
Because like with Stargirl the bad guy was right.

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Lol have you seen where they go with that?

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Borrowed from a previous thread...pretty much sums up the TV show. "Why....."

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Geez, I got to ask.

Did they stand in front of him not knowing his voice would do that or did they stupidly stand in front of him knowing he could do that?

 

[foxuzamaki]

Geez, I got to ask.

Did they stand in front of him not nothing his voice would do that or did they stupidly stand in front of him knowing he could do that?

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I'm guessing that was his 1st time

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

Let's all thank him.

 

[Yams]

There were people, that post on this forum, defending Marvel's actions at the time because they're incapable of not fanboying for them

 

[The Real Napsta]

I liked the way the agents of shield show handled inhumans.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

I think the real reason the movie got cancelled was because Feige wanted to respect the original material and Perlmutter wanted an X-Men replacement. Add that to the whole drama about Perlmutter not wanting to pay RDJ for Civil War and Feige saying he was gonna quit only for Iger to step in and get Feige out from under Perlmutter and reporting directly to Alan Horn and you have a cancellation of the movie. Perlmutter then went to Loeb and mandated the show. Loeb went to Scott Buck, who is known to get anything out at a low budget and horrible quality, and the rest is history.

Luckily the inhumans seem to be getting a proper introduction soon with Ms. Marvel. They have an interesting lore that needs to be explored in the MCU.

 

[Sephiroth]

Speaking of Inhumans and X-Men, is the Eternals movie still happening?

 

[cowtools]

I mean it was bad because that was the editorial mandate it seems.

There was a lot of great talent behind the inhumans push, and on those x-men books from that era.

The inhumans are just too weird to be the stand in for "hated and feared," class of the MU, and the X storylines were mostly rehashes of concepts barely a decade old (198 again!) that nobody really loved to begin with.

There's a lot of good inhumans out there, and those characters definitely belong (Medusa rules, I don't care what some dumb show had to do with her) in the greater MU and potentially the MCU, but I think it missed its mark because of corporate square peg, round holing.

 

[Forkball]

Someone was watching Mr. Sunday Movies.


Get in the mines you wingless bitch!

 

[Foltzie]

That tv show was so bad.

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It's a shame, the ideas were good, but wow the execution. . .

 

[Foltzie]

Speaking of Inhumans and X-Men, is the Eternals movie still happening?

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Done and in the can, waiting for COVID to abate.

 

[Nama]

Such a strange era of marvel. Has the story ever come out about why Inhumans turned from a movie into a tv series? Since that was when marvel tv and movies were under different Umbrellas I'd imagine there was quite a behind the scenes struggle.

 

[Ninhead]

I'll take it a step further- not only was that comics edict a massive mistake, doing the Eternals instead of bringing in the mutants will be a huge misstep as well.

 

[Weiss]

This shit is like if Marvel gave up on the film rights to Spider-Man and tried to make Speedball into their biggest hero.

The Inhumans aren't bad characters but they're already a hard sell with their own backstory, and a much, much harder one if you try to make them diet Mutants and an even harder one if you then explicitly position them against the globally popular X-Men.