Sure. If the price is right I'd gladly take one in the ass. Anymore questions? Maybe you should try it before knocking it, could earn some good money :)
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Prostitution should it be legal in America?
- Thread starter PixelatedProphet
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So is this all based on a gut feeling, or do you have actual sources for your claims?
"rape per pay", holy shit.
But can't you see you have a choice. Many of these women do not. Work is work, I get that. But if you can't choose an alternative, how empowering is that?
Honestly, I've seen this sort of thing plenty on this site, where the overall view is very sex negative: as if women and men cannot enjoy sex, because it's degrading, or inherently misogynistic, or w hat-have-you, and I don't buy it.
I don't buy any of it. In your attempt to protect the women from the ills and ails of the world, you put them on a pedestal in a gilded cage. You treat them like children. They can't make decisions of their own, because it's dangerous! But not a single time here have I seen you mention male prostitution, and whether it should be legal or not. Are you then claiming men can't be exploited the same way women can?
This overwhelmingly sex negative view is not helping anyone. Treating women like prized birds to be protected is just as misogynistic as claiming that women exist to be subservient to men. And while sex and human trafficking is a problem, the inability for a sex worker to go to the police to report crimes for fear of being arrested is WHY those crimes are so prevalent, and so hard to combat. Keeping it illegal is not only counterproductive, but stems from some, frankly, suspect ways of thinking.
A woman's body is hers to use how she wants. Are you saying that she cannot strip, or do porn for money? Is that too far? What about the opposite? What if instead of doing all of this scaaaary dangerous sex stuff, she decides to be a housewife? Is that also wrong, or objectifying, or misogynistic?
I'm honestly kind of tired of these sorts of arguments. Everyone is SO goddamn "woke" that they've gone from "women are people too" to "we must protect the women whether they like it or not, because we know better than they do."
This is not the same as objectification in media. Nobody actually cares that there's boobs, butts, and revealing clothing in media, they care that the camera treats them like pieces of meat, to be ogled, they care that the stories and characterization are written in such a way to make a woman in media dependent on the typically male power fantasy hero instead of having her own problems and her own problem solving. They care that it's objectification for no reason, or worse, objectification excused with a reason, and not at the VERY least, tastefully done, without the male gaze and dependence, where it's made abundantly clear that the woman in question is dressing however she wants for her own reasons, not JUST because the artist or the director or the producer wanted to shove a barely dressed male gaze target in to appeal to the focus groups.
You wanna talk about hypocrisy? All this time your argument has been about protecting women from their own decisions, as if what they want means nothing.
And after all of this, with the exception of a few posts in this entire thread, men aren't mentioned at all. Do they not deserve the same protection from themselves you are demanding from women? What about men who do porn, is that objectifying or inherently anti-men? No, it's all about protecting the women, isn't it.
Oh, and to answer your question, you're damned right I'd let a stranger fuck me for money, but even if I didn't want that, it's MY body and MY choice, your misgivings about sex never enter the equation.
Now I realize that men and women both are pressed due to their circumstances into sex work, and that's why regulations exist -- to keep them safe. Because when people feel like the only choice they have is sex work, that opens them up to use and abuse, and with the correct laws and regulatory bodies, much like the porn industry has, that can be minimized dramatically.
Prostitution is basically "rape-per-pay", so yes, it is quite similar.
And stop crying "about demonizing sex". This is abhorrent deflection, which has absolutely nothing to do with topic at hand. There is a difference between having sex with someone who you like and having sex with complete stranger for money.
And I am not sure how or why you can argue that selling ones body promotes "women having agency". No, it does not. It only promotes idea that women are objects to pleasure men.
To simply test it: if prostitution was such cool and empowering thing, why we don't have slew of male prostitutes, because, you know, male are gladly will use any opportunity to ensure their domination? Maybe, because, prostitution is not about empowerement?
This reminds me of "Don't teach about safe sex to kids because then they'll all go out and fuck" bullshit.
I'm sorry you find sex with women so icky and prefer that prostitution stay as dangerous as it is for both sex workers and their clientele in the US because of it.
Are you really so limited that you can't imagine that there are people who would gladly do both, even though there is always a difference?
Prostitutes can decline without reason. The lawsuit would be thrown out.
It should be legalized insofar as it's going to happen either way and there should be regulations on it to make it safer for both parties involved.
Just FYI in the gay community male prostitution is extremely common. When I used to be on gay dating apps without fail there would be alot men looking for "gen" guys.
But we do. We do have a slew of male prostitutes. Now, the demand for male sex workers may not be as high as it is for the opposite, but they do exist. You know what typically doesn't exist for them? Media representation outside of porn, and people pearl clutching about their safety and security. Nobody clamors to protect the male sex workers from their own decisions, almost as if society has deemed men as capable of making their own decisions, but women...well, maybe they need second guessing, right?
Really? What about when a man hires a woman to abuse him? Like a dominatrix? Who's getting raped in this situation?
In its current environment with pimps holding girls hostage, I would agree in some scenarios it could be considered rape, however prostitution itself isnt rape.
Serious question, but do you consider porn rape-per-pay as well?
Lots of people are stuck in jobs they don't want and have no way to get out. Is prostitution any different?
There's some ugly people out there. I at least possessed the skill at guitar and the stable job skills to land someone above my pay grade, but some folk either have to pay for it, or never have it.
Obviously it should be regulated. It's going to end more marriages than Facebook though.
Obviously it should be regulated. It's going to end more marriages than Facebook though.
Rape per pay? Lmao. Question for you dude. Would you consider porn rape? What about lap dances? I've been to strip clubs and got lap dances from several women. Women who came up to me and asked if I wanted one. Did I rape those women in your eyes?
And once again; DON'T TELL WOMEN WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR OWN BODIES. It's their decision not yours.
You keep on ignoring the parts that these people are respected (And not forced) for what they do, and that people are doing this out of their own admission often at times. Like i said, how is it ''abuse'' when the person himself did so entirely out of free choice? You don't answer this.
Is it really that problematic when a woman does so by own decision? Perhaps to your believe, and perhaps to your whereabouts, you are in a culture where such things aren't possible, and that you only see ''forced'' prostiution taking place. And yes, i am very much against that. But how can i be against for what a woman, (or a guy) do on their own terms and without them having someone forcing them into this line of work?
Its like asking why people want to become clowns when they aren't funny in my eyes. I don't protest against that for dropping the quality of humour in a public space. If people want to be clowns, then who am i to say nah-ah? Same with people wanting to go into this line of work or at an escort bureau. Like i said, here in the NL, Escort bureau are seen as a luxury service instead of a people's need. And yes, i should stress that an escort bureau is in fact, always in the end a people's need'', but the emphasis here is vastly different.
Who is to say you can't do both? You seem of the mindset that its practically impossible that people go into this line of work on their own voluntary terms. Yet that is exactly what is possible here.
Again, likely from where you live, that is the case... but that is not the case here. I am just saying prostitution and escort services are held to higher regards than it arguably does there. I hope you can understand this, because i am not getting the impression that you do.
Escort services can be a normal job. If not, lets do a thought experiment on a different field. What do you think of the concept of au pairs?
Depends which nation researched this and it depends at which places they looked at. If you just look like at something like East Harlem, then the outcomes are wildy different.
You may want to drop the baseless assumption a little bit. Your opinion is just that, a opinion. Its not some unruly fact where it is okay to dismiss other interpretations from countries where the situation is radically different.
I don't have so much a problem with conservative views or speaking from a different situation (Because really, how it is done here isn't a rule but an exception) but i have little with the ''i know it better'' approach on this display here.
This is quite irony considering how you have dismissed alternative views so far. Also, its not up to you to decide that your view is the only one worth debating or to uphold. I am not going to deny that forced prostitution is a problem and that how the NL does it is an exception and not a rule, but you can't dismiss the existence of this as non-existent when it clearly does.
The rest of your post is not worth the response if its only general rant about staff moderation. Serves no purpose being here, either.
User Banned (Permanent): Aggressive behaviour, condescension and personal attacks, long history of similar behaviour.
Cool. Now imagine that not all people see themselves as objects to be fucked by others.
Simple thought, isn't it?
Are you really so limited, that you can't figure out that most people are not like that?
Especially, since it promotes objectification of women?
Once more, it has nothing to do with being sex negative, stop this false equivalency!!
I am all for people enjoing sex, but not when it's done at the cost of respect and autonomy of people, who are already by society like second class citizens.
What is this bullshit about gilded cage? You seriously think that women treated totally equal to men in the modern world? You totally think that when men see women being sold like products for their entertainment it doesn't hurt them? It's not about limiting anyone's rights. It's about stopping systematic abuse of 50% of population. If you can't buy it, maybe you should get a bigger bank account.
In the perfectly equal society it wouldn't be a problem.
In modern society it is. And no, selling your body for sex is not empowering.
Well, not everyone can be so "woke" to sell their bodies to strangers and consider it to be a pinnacle of freedom and empowering. Especially, when they don't have a choice.
Their own? Are you sure?
It's the same trash argument like these about women who wear burqas out of their own choice. It's not so much a choice, but influence of the male-dominated society which tells women that selling one's body is a nice way to get money. Which obviously serves men and not women.
Yes, why we should care about people who rules this planet more, rather than people who suffer from it?
You sound like a typical wannabe-woke mysgonyst, my dear.
You have issues. And no, I don't have misgivings about sex. I have basic respect and understanding. Which you are lacking.[/QUOTE]
Then it's very much understandable why are you protecting prostitution.
I hope your mother is proud of you.
I am sorry that your reading comprehension is at the negative numbers.
Are you really so limited that you don't see that people who like it in obvious minority?
Selling one's body for pleasure of complete is stranger is completely different from any other job.
Also, you have justified human trafficking. You an exemplary of modern internet woke person.
On the other hand what can I expect form the place mostly populated by men? Understanding? Empathy?
When it comes to women? Hahaha.
No. Of course not.
You like women as prostitutes because you use them. And obviously you will be against this.
Since the rise of feminism people, like you were feeling that you are losing power.
So, instead of just shutting down feminism, you have decided to "infect" it, recreate it to serve the male population. And all this rhetoric about "females freedom and empowerment" through prostitution and porn, is essentially an example of that. Make women believe, that by serving men they are more powerful and protect their own freedoms.
We see what you are doing here. And you will never win.
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If you want to give someone a massage or a haircut you do need a license if you want to take money for it. If the person giving you a massage or a haircut doesn't have a license they are likely skirting local regulations (it varies by state/city) Nail salons also need a license. Pretty much any service job that can potentially pose a health-risk needs a license.
Despite your hilarious ignorance, male prostitutes are very much a thing.
calling someone else "mysognistic" after you said people who choose to go into sex work consider themselves as "objects to be used"...lmao
And your dumb ass claims to give a shit about "respect"
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What are you even ranting about? No one said that. So why can't you imagine that some men and women are actually okay with it and your thoughts are irrelevant on the matter?
Just worry about your own body.
...so what? Because most don't want to do it, it should be forbidden for those who want to do it? You're not making sense.
But riddle me this: Since it "promotes objectification" (a point you keep making without any justification), do you think societies with legal prositution, like Germany/Austria/the Netherlands, objectify women more than the US?
Aaaand there we are. People who sleep with others for money see themselves as objects, hm? Just because you couldn't respect yourself if you did it? Don't project your insecurities and complexes onto others.
Hahaha. Ok dude. Done talking with you because you're clearly a brick wall set in your ways. Never once advocated for sex trafficking but sure make up what you want. I'm sorry I couldn't live up to the pristine standards of such a supreme gentleman like yourself.
Regulate and legalize it so sex workers can be their own bosses and make their jobs safer and money more secure.
Don't regulate and legalize it because some people don't wanna date prostitutes and people will still be victimized? Bullshit. You don't say "we can't save everyone so we won't save a few."
Don't regulate and legalize it because some people don't wanna date prostitutes and people will still be victimized? Bullshit. You don't say "we can't save everyone so we won't save a few."
People should be able to do with their bodies what they please. Even if it's money for sex. Just regulate it out the ass. Lots of protections for both service provider and customer.
But the United States is too puritan for this stuff unfortunately. Even on the left. So I think we should at least start with decriminalizing it.
But the United States is too puritan for this stuff unfortunately. Even on the left. So I think we should at least start with decriminalizing it.
Yes.
Healthier, safer, and with the possibility to have a positive outcome on economy.
That said, illegal sex wouldn't vanish either, i think there would still people pursuing things or desires outside the law. Plus, i don't think it's going to slow down human trafficking, unless money from legal paid sex is used to help the unwilling on the streets.
Healthier, safer, and with the possibility to have a positive outcome on economy.
That said, illegal sex wouldn't vanish either, i think there would still people pursuing things or desires outside the law. Plus, i don't think it's going to slow down human trafficking, unless money from legal paid sex is used to help the unwilling on the streets.
even if you believe that most women do it against their will, which I need receipts for, I think there is a user here in law enforcement who described how it is much easier to talk to prostitutes and help them when it is legal because they don't put themselves in legal danger when they ask need help.
so either way, it's better for everyone when it is legalized.
so either way, it's better for everyone when it is legalized.
Is any sex exploitative? If I have sex with strangers for free, how does that make it better or worse than doing so for money?
Nailed it.
Get workers good accommodations, tested regularly, keep everything as safe as possible for all parties involved.
I once heard about a plan (think it wasn't realized because people close complained) about a house controlled by the state, with loads of flats only for self employed prostitutes. It'd have security on every floor, official in-house doctors(including mandatory regular checkups), all of that stuff.
I thought it was a decent concept.
I mean. You gotta elaborate for a discussion to be possible.
We need to undermine and attack the exploitation and trafficking of women, trans and non-binary people, and children. It's horrific and cannot exist.
There's nothing wrong with consensual sex work between adults though, and it absolutely should be decriminalized. The criminalization of sex work is yet another form of patriarchal violence.
There's nothing wrong with consensual sex work between adults though, and it absolutely should be decriminalized. The criminalization of sex work is yet another form of patriarchal violence.
Puritanism and "protecting women from themselves". It's incredibly sexist thinking.
Yes, it should be legalized and regulated.
It's kinda pointless to say "no" without an explanation. What's wrong with it being legal if it's regulated and safe? Obviously, sex trafficking needs to end, but what about a safe environment like the ones found in Las Vegas?
Also, almost everyone who has said yes has given reasons why.
Why are you against it being legal?
Don't play coy.
Germany and the Netherlands have legal prostitution. Why is this bad? Why should these women and men who choose to be prostitutesbe forbidden from doing so?
Many people have explained why they are for it, btw.
I lean towards it being legal but I'm not sure if there are any higher-order affects that I'm unaware of.
An explanation isn't required, I just asked. Nothing to be defensive about lol.
I strongly lean towards legalizing anything that two adults can consent to, unless it presents a big danger to others.
Personally, if you're gonna disagree with what seems to be the majority opinion here, you gotta step up and justify why that is. It's not even because people are gonna assume the worse about you necessarily, it's also just as much about broadening the discourse by putting your reasons out there. You have an opinion, so own it by defending it.
Edit: Ah, now i see what you mean - Regardless if yes or no i would say anyone should explain themselves. Its easy to say yes mind you but the why makes it a discussional part.
Why do you think it should not be legal?
This here. I realize that in a lot of other topics it is okay to just say yes or no and thats fine too - but this is not such a topic for it. Like i can see why one would say not to make it legal, but it depends on where you live. Like, here in the NL we have far less issues with pimps and what not - But as said, we are an exceptional case, not the ruling. In a lot of places, a different approach may be taken.
People who said yes explained why. You should have reasons for your opinion no?
I honestly can't respect the intelligence of someone who is against legalization.
Prostitution is one of the oldest occupations still around. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. Legalize it now so we can make the lives of those who engaged in it better.
If it was regulated and I knew it was safe, I honestly wouldn't be against going to a brothel.
Prostitution is one of the oldest occupations still around. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. Legalize it now so we can make the lives of those who engaged in it better.
If it was regulated and I knew it was safe, I honestly wouldn't be against going to a brothel.
One of the reasons is a specific scenario that hits close to home.
Coming of age for anyone these days, getting a job or falling into a career that pays well is difficult, specifically for people who aren't advantaged. As prostitution becomes a legal, and thus legit industry, it will be just like people who work as waiters or waitresses but it isn't what they want to do. It's the job they can get.
A lot of prostitution, like let's say... South Korean elderly who do it due to poor economic conditions, would now be a business that someone else would profit from. Marketing people, brothel owners etc.
If all prostition was independent I'd be less strongly opposed, but it won't be the case. Because how do you regulate and have safety procedures when it's an independent business?
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But anyway, sometimes I feel enticed to state an opinion or rather an answer for a question when I don't have time to go into detail. I might not respond for a little while.
If it is made legal, demand will heavily outnumber the supply. That means an increase in human trafficking. I get that legalization would mean better protections for prostitutes, but I don't think that outweighs the need to curb human trafficking.
Plus, I find the idea of buying/selling sex revolting. I don't believe that people are owed sex. I think it degrades the way that we view people, as mere objects for sex. I imagine a lot of posters will fundamentally disagree with me on this, as evidenced in the thread. So we'll agree to disagree.
If someone want to buy or sell sex, they can just visit/move to Nevada. I'd rather not have it be as accessible everywhere else.
Plus, I find the idea of buying/selling sex revolting. I don't believe that people are owed sex. I think it degrades the way that we view people, as mere objects for sex. I imagine a lot of posters will fundamentally disagree with me on this, as evidenced in the thread. So we'll agree to disagree.
If someone want to buy or sell sex, they can just visit/move to Nevada. I'd rather not have it be as accessible everywhere else.