So, there was a thread about the car chase that lead to this, but this seemed like it needed it's own thread.
Police Shootout With Jewelry Store Robbers Leads To Death Of UPS Driver Hostage And Bystander Motorist
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Novelty dog in human clothes door stop really threw me for a loop
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Entirely possible they were killed by police fire. It was a shitty situation.
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Truck came to a stop in the middle of stopped traffic. When the suspects opened fire, there were a lot more people in immediate danger than just the hostage.
Awful situation.
I saw it live and I honestly have no idea what the right call was there. The van and cops were all surrounded by bystanders while the robbers started shooting at the cops. Do you let them continue shooting or try and stop them as fast as possible? It's not a position I envy.
I saw it live and I honestly have no idea what the right call was there. The van and cops were all surrounded by bystanders while the robbers started shooting at the cops. Do you let them continue shooting or try and stop them as fast as possible? It's not a position I envy.
Here's an idea, let them have the jewelry. Like, let them take it. Then, once the robbers are done, arrest them
For people that didn't see it, they were firing out of the UPS truck before the police opened fire. There were cars all around the truck.
Shooting before the traffic jam? or did they start shooting due to being in a jam and surrounded by the police ?
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Reports are that there was shooting at the jewelry story, and during the chase.
They shot up the jewelry store they robbed, at police during the chase and at the end when they were stuck
The robbers had already shot a person while committing the robbery.
Did they really use a persons car who was still in their vehicle as a shield during a shootout??
The shooters had a hostage, no? They were also opening fire in a traffic jam. Not the safest manouver.
God this fucking sucks.
I'd actually say the worst didn't happen. Still super unfortunate, though.
I'd actually say the worst didn't happen. Still super unfortunate, though.
They shot someone at the scene of the robbery, took a hostage and his work vehicle, and opened fire first in jam-packed traffic. They weren't going down without a fight.
I will await further analysis of what happened, but that's a damn shame that an uninvolved motorist was also stuck and killed by gunfire. Was there no way to take these guys non-lethally? I understand the gravity of the situation when the suspects are freely opening fire in the middle of stopped traffic, but maybe we need a different approach when we have live hostage situations with confirmed reporting of gunfire and armed suspects.
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The article isn't clear, but watching this it looks like the police killed the hostage
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I am completely for any and all forms of effective de-escalation and non-lethal apprehension, but a situation like this doesn't seem at all suited for non-lethal apprehension.
I think a situation in which pedestrians outnumber suspects and police SPECIFICALLY calls for non-lethal apprehension.
remmber in dragonball Z where they would go to somewhere unpopulated to fight
Seems unwise to corner an active shooter with a hostage. I think we should rethink that approach. I don't have any good suggestions, though.
I just saw a new video from another helicopter. It does appear that the people in the truck shot first, then the police unload on the truck. Like the side is full of holes. If you see a video with Spanish text be warned that you will watch people die.
Also in the new video some cars knew what was happening as they lane split and got the hell out of there before the gunfire.
Also in the new video some cars knew what was happening as they lane split and got the hell out of there before the gunfire.
How would you suggest that they approach it? I struggle to find something that would seem effective in this circumstance.
maybe only have one officer shoot, instead of everyone unloading their weapons. video was grainy as shit tho
The problem is that the thieves were shooting during the pursuit, so simply continuing to follow them instead of trying to corner them would continue putting lives at risk.
But that wouldn't be non-lethal apprehension, that would just be prolonging the shoot out.
Even if the cops were the ones to shoot the bystanders, I can't imagine we'll know for a long, long time.
It really sucks that these criminals were so violent to make such an encounter by the police necessary though. I agree with the poster above that letting them have the jewelry is much better than this outcome. But, sometimes hands get forced :(
I had some american posters here insist that I should defend the 200$ till at my job with my life (or even keep a gun to shoot anyone who wants it lol), and were dumbfounded that the policy in Québec is mostly "let the robber take the cash".
Can't imagine what they think is appropriate to stop a jewelry theft that alread had a casualty. Usually that is license to kill in action movies.
Wow that's a tough situation
Looking at the video,that's a lot of gun fire and i could be wrong but the cops totally killed the UPS driver.
If it helps, I've never encountered a "fight back" or "resist" company policy in my adult life here in the US, whether it's a gas station, retail store, etc.
There is a very clear video out there, although it does have some focus issues.
idk if I want to watch honestly. I get like a weird heartbeat when I watch stuff like that.
Most, if not all, companies in the US say just give them the money and don't resist at all. Fighting back or doing anything but giving up the cash will get you fired at the very least. It's a pretty stupid thing to insist you do otherwise.
As far as this situation goes, the second camera angle I think shows the cops shot and killed the UPS driver as they tried to crawl out of the truck after one of the robbers fell on him I assume after being shot. Gunfire from the cops hit him right in the back. Fucking awful, and the cops firing blindly like that in the middle of rush hour on a crowded freeway is a tremendous fuck up, even if the robbers had already fired off some shots. You had the helo on the truck, they weren't getting away, and you could easily back off until they're not in the middle of a fucking crowded freeway.