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Senator Toadstool

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Oct 25, 2017
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BERLIN — In Germany's hugely popular hip-hop music scene, one of the biggest albums of the past year was from two trash-talking rappers who rhymed about their prowess in bed and in the weight room and about violently dominating their opponents.

The album has racked up sales, but has also attracted a different sort of attention. In one song, the pair boast about how their bodies are "more defined than Auschwitz prisoners." In another, they vow to "make another Holocaust, show up with a Molotov."

Widespread condemnation turned into an uproar in the last week since the rappers, Farid Bang and Kollegah, won the Echo award for best hip-hop album at Germany's equivalent of the Grammys on April 12.

The lead singer of the country's pre-eminent punk rock band objected to the award from the same stage that night. "In principle I consider provocation is a good thing," Campino, the lead singer of Die Toten Hosen, said. "But we need to differentiate between art as a stylistic device, or a form of provocation that only serves to destroy and ostracize others." Other winners have said they are returning their prizes.

Posting on Twitter in German, the foreign minister, Heiko Maas, wrote: "Anti-Semitic provocations do not deserve awards, they are simply disgusting."

He also noted the unfortunate timing of the ceremony. April 12 is a day of worldwide solemnity. "That such a prize was handed out on Holocaust Remembrance Day is shameful," he wrote.

The country's recording industry association had criticized the lyrics but defended its choice in the name of artistic freedom. Nominations are based on popularity and rankings on music charts, not artistic quality — a process the association has pledged to re-examine after the outcry.


In the past, they have defended their lyrics as art and exaggeration. On Facebook last month, Farid Bang apologized to Esther Bejarano, a 93-year-old singer and Auschwitz survivor who had spoken out about the lyrics. Both men have offered to let Jews come to their concerts for free forever as proof, they said, that they bore no hatred.

In the music video for his track "Apocalypse," a banker in a London office tower is shown controlling the evil forces in the world, and wearing a Star of David ring. After a final showdown between good and evil, Kollegah — a 33-year-old convert to Islam whose real name is Felix Blume — raps, "Muslims, Christians and Buddhists lived together in peace," pointedly not mentioning Jews.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/arts/music/anti-semitism-german-rap.html?rref=collection/issuecollection/todays-new-york-times&action=click&contentCollection=todayspaper&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=collection

Believe it or not there's even more horrible stuff at the link

Congrats Germany!
 
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Senator Toadstool

Senator Toadstool

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Illithid Dude

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As a Jew, this doesn't bother me.

"We know you niggas ain't about shit / come around, we gun 'em down, bodies piles, Auschwitz" - Vince Staples on Hive

"I love who you are, love who you ain't, you're so Anne Frank / Let's hit the attic to hide out for bout two weeks" - Andre 3000 on So Fresh So Clean

Simply referencing the Holocaust doesn't make you anti-semetic.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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As a Jew, this doesn't bother me.

"We know you niggas ain't about shit / come around, we gun 'em down, bodies piles, Auschwitz" - Vince Staples on Hive

"I love who you are, love who you ain't, you're so Anne Frank / Let's hit the attic to hide out for bout two weeks" - Andre 3000 on So Fresh So Clean

Simply referencing the Holocaust doesn't make you anti-semetic.
Tell that to the people who called Slayer nazis
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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As a Jew, this doesn't bother me.

"We know you niggas ain't about shit / come around, we gun 'em down, bodies piles, Auschwitz" - Vince Staples on Hive

"I love who you are, love who you ain't, you're so Anne Frank / Let's hit the attic to hide out for bout two weeks" - Andre 3000 on So Fresh So Clean

Simply referencing the Holocaust doesn't make you anti-semetic.
You should read through the entire OP. The worst of it is at the end. It's absolutely antisemitic in the context of the "Jewish Illuminati" crap.
 
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Senator Toadstool

Senator Toadstool

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As a Jew, this doesn't bother me.

"We know you niggas ain't about shit / come around, we gun 'em down, bodies piles, Auschwitz" - Vince Staples on Hive

"I love who you are, love who you ain't, you're so Anne Frank / Let's hit the attic to hide out for bout two weeks" - Andre 3000 on So Fresh So Clean

Simply referencing the Holocaust doesn't make you anti-semetic.
They didn't just reference the holocaust.

The literally insult the victims and say they're going to do another holocaust. They have a video where the star of David is "evil"

That goes far beyond those two quotes, and German rappers are going to be held to a different standard because you know they did the holocaust.

You'd give more leeway to a non-white dude singing about slavery than a white guy.
 

Illithid Dude

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Holocaust is a word that has been used before and after World War 2. If you want to get technical about it, the specific word for the 'Final Solution' is Shoah. Make another Holocaust simply means, to me, create some form of mass killing.
 

Illithid Dude

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Okay, so you're just trolling

Certainly not. I'm just trying to view this from a rational perspective. Does the phrase "Nuclear Holocaust" specifically refer to the destruction of the jewish people? No, it means the destruction of humanity in general, because Holocaust as a word refers to more than just the jewish people. Hell, the literal definition of Holocaust is "destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war." Which does, in fact, go with the Molotov cocktail image. Is it the most sensitive reference to make? Probably not, but just because the reference was made does not necessarily equate to anti-semitism.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Certainly not. I'm just trying to view this from a rational perspective. Does the phrase "Nuclear Holocaust" specifically refer to the destruction of the jewish people? No, it means the destruction of humanity in general, because Holocaust as a word refers to more than just the jewish people. Hell, the literal definition of Holocaust is "destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war." Which does, in fact, go with the Molotov cocktail image. Is it the most sensitive reference to make? Probably not, but just because the reference was made does not necessarily equate to anti-semitism.

So how does this matter at all, wtf
 
Oct 28, 2017
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The video stuff mentioned in the article is way more sketch than the lyrics are tbh, ridiculously insensitive and inconsiderate to give that shit an award especially on the day in question
 

Vas

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Oct 25, 2017
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Tell that to the people who called Slayer nazis

I was a big Slayer fan. In fact, I think Reign in Blood is one of the greatest punk albums of all time. (Not a typo). I'll admit, whether or not he shared the ideology, Jeff would have appeared to have been very fascinated with German Empire/Nazi memorabilia and iconography based on the report I read that he had a sizable private collection.

CONVERSELY, Angel of Death does not appear to pain Mengele in a positive light, referring to him as an 'infamous butcher' at times and detailing the horror of his acts in the name of science. For me, it was actually very educational. I came to learn a lot about the extent of nazi war crimes in part because of that song. So whatever the case might be, I never got the impression their music was pro-nazi, although they referenced Nazis a few times. But, I haven't looked too deep into it. Not really a band you listen to for the lyrics.
 

Aaron Stack

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Nov 13, 2017
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There is literally nothing else for me to say that hasn't been said by me or anyone else concerned by shit like this.

NOTHING.
 
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Senator Toadstool

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Certainly not. I'm just trying to view this from a rational perspective. Does the phrase "Nuclear Holocaust" specifically refer to the destruction of the jewish people? No, it means the destruction of humanity in general, because Holocaust as a word refers to more than just the jewish people. Hell, the literal definition of Holocaust is "destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war." Which does, in fact, go with the Molotov cocktail image. Is it the most sensitive reference to make? Probably not, but just because the reference was made does not necessarily equate to anti-semitism.
The Holocaust when used is a specific reference to the genocide of european jews. Its use evokes that, always. And claims to "do a holocaust" are of course going to be referencing that, they're german, they're not dumb.

You're no looking at it rationally. You're excusing it and deliberatly ignoring them insulting the starving victims saying they're "more defined than Auschwitz prisoners" (notice now they're being specific in referencing the german killing of jews, roma, and other minorities)

You're ignoring the anti-semetic video where the jews are evil bankers controlling the world and how they never "lived in peace" with non-jews.

You're picking apart semantics to go "well, actually," it's trolling and not even a genuine attempt to argue they're not antisemetic or the lyrics aren't.
 

Illithid Dude

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I've been given an official warning, so I am not going to argue this any longer. Let this rap group's future actions dictate their anti-semitism or lack thereof. Maybe they will come out against jews, or maybe they will take further action to prove their lack of racial bias. We can only wait and find out.
 

Benjamin1981

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Oct 28, 2017
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Those two rappers must be laughing for one week straight for the uproar they caused. Several respected artists gave back their Echo trophies out of protest and the Echo commitee vows to change the whole Echo ceremony and how winners are selected.
 

Aaron Stack

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Nov 13, 2017
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I've been given an official warning, so I am not going to argue this any longer. Let this rap group's future actions dictate their anti-semitism or lack thereof. Maybe they will come out against jews, or maybe they will take further action to prove their lack of racial bias. We can only wait and find out.

Why are you giving them the benefit of the doubt when they literally had a video of jewish bankers controlling the world.
 

GrizzleBoy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was about to defend them after reading the lyrics. There are far worse things I've heard. Referencing atrocities doesnt make you approving of them.

However.

The music video withe evil jew banker controlling the world?

Yeeeeaaaaahhnoooooo.
 

Aaron Stack

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Nov 13, 2017
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Those two rappers must be laughing for one week straight for the uproar they caused. Several respected artists gave back their Echo trophies out of protest and the Echo commitee vows to change the whole Echo ceremony and how winners are selected.

That's your take? Really?

Not the fact that these pieces of shit insult holocaust victims or talk about causing another one?
 

hurroocane

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you want to laugh at the rap duo for a moment because let's face it.. the homophobic bunch deserves it - they seem to be unaware that their recent album cover for "young, brutal, handsome 3" can easily be mistaken for gay porn.

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Oct 27, 2017
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Certainly not. I'm just trying to view this from a rational perspective. Does the phrase "Nuclear Holocaust" specifically refer to the destruction of the jewish people? No, it means the destruction of humanity in general, because Holocaust as a word refers to more than just the jewish people. Hell, the literal definition of Holocaust is "destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war." Which does, in fact, go with the Molotov cocktail image. Is it the most sensitive reference to make? Probably not, but just because the reference was made does not necessarily equate to anti-semitism.

Your looking at it way to deep to say the word Holocaust should mean more then the actual Holocaust it's just kind of dum and doesn't hold up to the actual event
 

boris_

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They are a danger to the youth.
Most of their fans are young teens who take this seriously.
They do not seem to be the brightest bulbs on the porch either.
Kollegah is a known denier of evolution.
 

Benjamin1981

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Oct 28, 2017
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That's your take? Really?

Not the fact that these pieces of shit insult holocaust victims or talk about causing another one?


No, that's not my take. I can't stand those wannabe gangsters. But i bet that's their reaction when there is no camera or journalist around. They might be pleading guilty in public but privately they are laughing their asses off. This whole drama will probalby get them some serious album sales.
 

Soundwind

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how long until people come in here and say islamic anti-semitism is simply anti-israelism
 

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The record lable has now parted ways with them.

It shouldn't have happened in the first place, but at least all the reasonable parties seems to move swiftly after this much needed outcry.
 

Spaltazar

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Oct 28, 2017
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man as a german i always feel maximum second hand embarrassment when someone mentions german rap. its all garbage here
 

Chairman Yang

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm sure these fine young males from the well-integrated German Muslim community are joking and have nothing but the purest intentions towards the Jewish people.