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New York to install surveillance cameras in every subway car by 2025
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In 2025? Is this another thing where I'm shocked Canada is far ahead of the curve (especially in Toronto) like with chips and NFC tapping years before arriving in the US?
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To all of you guys, yeah pretty much. We've been without cameras in the train system but they've been trying to actually overhaul the system as a whole slowly but surely. It's just taking a long ass fucking time because how many stations and lines there are.
But it's not a private environment, a train care you're in public
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"You think Big Brother's watching you on the subways? You're absolutely right. That is our intent, to get the message out that we are going to be having surveillance of activities on the subway trains and that is going to give people great peace of mind," Hochul said. "And if you're concerned about this, the best answer is don't commit any crimes on the subways," she said. "Then you won't have any problems."
This seems like a good thing? What expectation of privacy do you have while riding public transportation?
If it means fewer people getting harassed then let's goooooo
If it means fewer people getting harassed then let's goooooo
Good.
Now make sure they work, and make sure they can't be easily tampered with by the public - who *will* do anything they can to break them, block them or otherwise fuck with them for fun.
Every car, every platform, every turnstile should have cameras (and likely some of them already did). That said, surveillance, privacy, police state, etc.
Now make sure they work, and make sure they can't be easily tampered with by the public - who *will* do anything they can to break them, block them or otherwise fuck with them for fun.
Every car, every platform, every turnstile should have cameras (and likely some of them already did). That said, surveillance, privacy, police state, etc.
I'm fine with this. People who vandalize, fight, and harass on the subways deserve to be caught.
Yes, well aware that there isn't an expectation of privacy in a public space. Yet it feels odd that our lives are constantly being tracked.
Sure and when this is used disproportionately to discriminate against minorities people will cry foul play but it will be too late by then.
You're not trading any privacy. You're already in a confined space with dozens of other people.
i think i´ve seen security cameras in every bus and subway in every other country for years already :D calling them SURVEILLANCE and fearmongering is not the angle here...
no one is going to be tracking you, random guy on the train :D feel free to leave the tinfoil at the station
Hmmm
Cameras don't stop crimes, they help solve them afterwards. Not sure this will have the intended effect.
Cameras don't stop crimes, they help solve them afterwards. Not sure this will have the intended effect.
Being under constant surveillance has detrimental mental health effects, and can cause developmental problems is children. This is especially seen in poorer children, who are under surveillance more often than more affluent ones.
No, but they make the hurdle of committing one a bigger risk. It´s a deterrant.
I would have peace of mind knowing that if I was accosted on the train, footage out there would exist to corroborate that.
Cameras are good for investigating crimes . Philly has had them for years on every bus, trolley and train, Wild shit still happens but you can catch the fools easier now.
Please no one spin this into a negative. I'm all for privacy but this is good to catch things in the future.
you know, i see the signs but I don't believe they work lol
Like never even been to NY but I assumed this would have been the case for a couple decades at least.
A lack of evidence disproportionately discriminates against minorities, who are falsely found guilty of crimes they weren't involved in.
Justice is currently at the whims of white people who falsely say "yes, that looks like him!" when video evidence would say otherwise.
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Have you consistently ridden a public train/subway before, especially at night? I've seen things you wouldn't believe.
Oh they work.
(I haven't always been a model citizen, I may have fractured an occasional law while on Septa in my youth)
Privacy in a public space? Wtf you talking about.
Imma need to see the receipts.
I work in NYC and lived here for portions of my life. I haven't taken the subway late at night, outside of commuting back after Yankees games, since COVID. Although, I am well aware of the various horror stories from colleagues.
The "nothing to hide" argument has always been absolutely terrible, but it's doubly terrible in a place where the NYPD operates. This is the same NYPD that operated a secret, unconstitutional spying program on NY Muslims, yes?
Here's a paper that STOP put out last year on the subject:
I might have different feelings on this if the police were to be trusted. But they aren't. Maybe we shouldn't give them more cameras until they can at least honestly answer questions about what they're doing with the ones that they already have.
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I don't have the studies on hand but quoted them during a school board meeting where I was trying to stop cameras being installed in my kids' elementary school, so I know they exist.
You should see the amount of cameras installed on buses and trains in the UK.
A standard single deck bus has about 8 cameras. 4 on the outside and 4 inside.
A standard single deck bus has about 8 cameras. 4 on the outside and 4 inside.
NYCs subway is incredibly convenient in getting you around the city quickly.
But everything else about it is old and busted as hell.
If you go on a subway in europe or Asia it feels like New York's shit is ancient and shitty in comparison.
I am not surprised that they did not have cameras. But they should for what people pay them. Hell they should have an officer on every train for what people pay monthly to use the train.