It's the internet, if you really want something it's out there somewhere still
It's the internet, if you really want something it's out there somewhere still
Don't talk down to me "boss."
Are you that dense? Halo is at an all-time low point. This thread proves it.
PEOPLE ARE ACTIVELY MAKING THEIR OWN HALO GAME BECAUSE THEY CANT GET IT THE WAY THEY WANT IT ON CONSOLE OR PC.
The "we" refers to everyone, besides you apparently, who stopped playing Halo and didnt enjoy the new expierences. Read this thread. Read the Halo general here. Read /r/halo, read anywhere Halo is discussed. There's a reason the game's population is low and if you don't see it "boss" maybe you need to take a step back and see why.
"C'mon son"
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I know how the internet is, i was responding to a child who thinks "lmaoooo" and talking down to people is a constructive way to get a point across.Bruh it's the internet. Everyone forum and subreddit are full of people complaining. It's like saying Valve is at an all time low because of the shit posting.
Don't talk down to me "boss."
Are you that dense? Halo is at an all-time low point. This thread proves it.
PEOPLE ARE ACTIVELY MAKING THEIR OWN HALO GAME BECAUSE THEY CANT GET IT THE WAY THEY WANT IT ON CONSOLE OR PC.
The "we" refers to everyone, besides you apparently, who stopped playing Halo and didnt enjoy the new expierences. Read this thread. Read the Halo general here. Read /r/halo, read anywhere Halo is discussed. There's a reason the game's population is low and if you don't see it "boss" maybe you need to take a step back and see why.
"C'mon son"
While the campaigns have definitely gone downhill, I'd argue that 5 is probably the best state that multiplayer has been in since 3, perhaps even surpassing it.343i and MS cant really do anything with this franchise since Reach. Ignored PC players for too long. These modders did more service for the franchise than 343i ever did for fans.
I know how the internet is, i was responding to a child who thinks "lmaoooo" and talking down to people is a constructive way to get a point across.
But you're saying the poster i responded to doesnt understand where to find a group of people who dislike the franchise as it currently stands. He doesn't even have to leave this thread to find them.
it's better than any MP Halo games 343 have put out. sad.
maybe if they didn't do horrible shit like only releasing parts of the Halo 5 custom games on PC people wouldn't need to back together a corpse of a cancelled F2P just to play decent modern Halo.
Daily dose of hyperbole, something we don't need.343i and MS cant really do anything with this franchise since Reach. Ignored PC players for too long. These modders did more service for the franchise than 343i ever did for fans.
And I won't be giving 343 any money. You fuck up the franchise and expect this to go well?
People who are making such comments have not played Halo 5 or purposely ignoring the amazing post launch support that 343 offered for Halo 5. Everything for free every month they were offering and people saying that 343 did poor job supporting Halo ?Seriously? lol
People who are making such comments have not played Halo 5 or purposely ignoring the amazing post launch support that 343 offered for Halo 5. Everything for free every month they were offering and people saying that 343 did poor job supporting Halo ?Seriously? lol
Seriously, Halo 5 is the highest point for me as a fan since day one, the mechanics are sublime. I play it more then any other FPS, feels so damn good.
Do not equalize "actual fans of the series" with "Halo 5 is great". Just don´t. Halo nowadays comes in many flavours, and there are "true" fans who like and dislike what 343 created.I think some people are here just trolling and trying to bait actual fans of the series. I hope mods are keeping eye on such people .
Thanks for this informative post Frankie.BTW, we're not "shutting down the mod" or going after the Eldewrito crew - we're enacting action to remove the Halo Online code and packages from places it's being hosted. The distinction may seem like semantics to a lot of folks, and I don't blame them for assuming that, but to be clear, this is a legally necessary step to protect code, product, IP, trademarks and copyrights, and is not optional. We're a publicly traded company, and we have a fiduciary and legal responsibility to our shareholders, and further, if we don't take steps to protect it, then we actually run the legal risk of losing it - and there's code and content in there that is still very much in use.
As a company, we spend a lot of time, effort and resources to support, amplify and enable our community creators - we have a simple set of rules that are generous and fair, that as long as they are abided by, we're happy to help with and in some cases, promote.
Halo Online code and content is not within those rules.
I hope nobody on this site thinks anyone is happy about this - at one end of the spectrum, it's sad to see folks' hard work and effort be sunsetted, and on the other, all the people who do this stuff are human. Nobody takes joy in this kind of work or responsibility. It's simply a necessary part of being a publicly traded company in the US.
If anyone wishes to send death threats, please direct those and Scholarly Legal Opinions to @franklez.
I won't be responding to this thread, because effectively I've said everything I can say here, but my one ask - a favor - is that folks try to contextualize this within real world circumstances, and not apply intent or evil where none exists.
Honestly I have to give MS and 343 mad props about how they handled this. A takedown was inevitable, but they decided to go about it with common sense and decency. PR or not, this type of response is rather uncommon for a corporation.
Compared to how Nintendo handles fan games this is genuinely laudable.
Seriously, Halo 5 is the highest point for me as a fan since day one, the mechanics are sublime. I play it more then any other FPS, feels so damn good.
So a free version of Halo 3 doesn't circumvent revenue from Halo 3 sales?
Don't know why people would consider this stealing outside of the assets being obtained through shady methods. The game is not going to be released at any point and it's not like 343 are going to be using any of those assets in new games as they sure as hell don't give much of a crap about the previous Halo artstyle.
What a dumbass.Other than the fact that they stole/pirated the game and are giving it away for free? One of the modders accessed Halo Wars 2 early and tried to use it as leverage by blackmailing Microsoft.
The people involved in the creation of the Halo Online modification have been here before. This is no one's first rodeo. Quoting from the ElDewrito website: "ElDewrito was created through the hard work of well known Halo fans, developers and modders like DEElekgolo, Gamecheat13, Lord Zedd and many others"
Gamecheat13 has received more cease and desists than anyone I have ever met - he was involved in thefts and leaks of Modern Warfare 3 and Black Ops 2 content from PartnerNet. He also hung around the 'Xbox Underground' crew responsible for a lot of the nonsense that was happening at the start of the generation (https://www.wired.com/story/xbox-underground-videogame-hackers/). A genuinely bad person, time hasn't changed him in the slightest.
More recently, he used flaws in the Windows 10 Store to download a build of Halo Wars 2 that was intended for external testing partners, pull plot information out of the build and attempt to extort Microsoft with it. Later, he attempted to sell the build to the public at large. I can go on and on with increasingly recent examples of shithead behavior - he revealed the existence of a Steam/Win32 port of Halo Wars: DE, which he knew about definitely by legal means and not at all by playing around with the game's backend services.
Lord Zedd was involved in various questionably legal (not at all legal) Halo stuff. He acquired 360 developer hardware and used that hardware to screw around with Halo. Not exactly legal to seek out hardware for which you have no authorization to obtain, pirate a game and decrypt it so it runs on developer hardware, take said game onto PartnerNet and modify it. Also not a huge deal - no harm, no foul - but this is a way of saying that these people knew they would be flying close to the sun and flew anyway.
Considering how some of the people involved have been thorns in Microsoft's side for a long time, the way that Microsoft has treated this matter strikes me as generous, considerate even. An early build of a Russia only title that would later be cancelled was stolen; pulled from the companies web services. The build was not intended to be accessible by the outside world. Said build was an early development build. It contained a lot of Halo 3 content (the Russia only title was not a port of Halo 3). Immediately, the worst people start hacking on it. Years pass. The result is, of course, Halo 3 multiplayer, hacked together to mostly function.
The act is illegal in every way. It's not even a modification of a public build of the Russian title. There are assets ripped from Halo 3 360 included in ElDewrito - the maps used are from the early build of Halo Online but certain other assets were pulled by the modders from the Halo 3 360. There was no serious attempt to operate inside the confines of the law. These are people who routinely do illegal Xbox shit doing more illegal Xbox shit, just this time for an audience.
Don't know why people would consider this stealing outside of the assets being obtained through shady methods. The game is not going to be released at any point and it's not like 343 are going to be using any of those assets in new games as they sure as hell don't give much of a crap about the previous Halo artstyle.
I'm sure there's code in the originally leaked version of Halo Life 2 that has been used in newer Valve games too. If I reconstruct that leaked version of Half Life 2 and add extra stuff is that theft?Dude.
Also, the code that was stolen is being used in current Halo games. Seriously stop trying to justify this.
And 343 and Microsoft have known about it for years and done nothing. Now that they say they're going to fix MCC and Eldewrito starts getting popular now they do something?
I'm sure there's code in the originally leaked version of Halo Life 2 that has been used in newer Valve games too. If I reconstruct that leaked version of Half Life 2 and add extra stuff is that theft?
Funny since tons of people have done just that and you don't see Valve trying to stop them from updating that. Hell, you can download some of it from Valves very store.Yes.
Especially when you add stuff you have also stole from the finished, paid , currently on sale version of Half Life 2, then give that other stuff you stole to other people.
If anyone wishes to send death threats, please direct those and Scholarly Legal Opinions to @franklez.
Gabe has said personally he doesn't mind much about people sharing the HL2 Beta content & understands fans are just interested in it, but Valve is a private company, they kinda have the privilege to not care if someone is sharing around illegally obtained assets, Microsoft & their legion of share holders & executives is a different story.I'm sure there's code in the originally leaked version of Halo Life 2 that has been used in newer Valve games too. If I reconstruct that leaked version of Half Life 2 and add extra stuff is that theft?
And 343 and Microsoft have known about it for years and done nothing. Now that they say they're going to fix MCC and Eldewrito starts getting popular now they do something?
Yes, it would actually, since no matter how much free shit you add to it, you are still working with content that was obtained through illegal methods. And to anybody here that's thinking "oh this means MCC on PC right guys?" No, it isn't coming to PC, if it was than we would have heard it already.I'm sure there's code in the originally leaked version of Halo Life 2 that has been used in newer Valve games too. If I reconstruct that leaked version of Half Life 2 and add extra stuff is that theft?
And 343 and Microsoft have known about it for years and done nothing. Now that they say they're going to fix MCC and Eldewrito starts getting popular now they do something?
So say some modders ported God of War to PC and released it for free, is it not hurting sales because it was never on PC? What are your thoughts on people pirating and emulating current gen console exclusive games on PC?Not if Halo 3 was never available for purchase on PC in the first place, no.
Funny since tons of people have done just that and you don't see Valve trying to stop them from updating that. Hell, you can download some of it from Valves very store.
Funny since tons of people have done just that and you don't see Valve trying to stop them from updating that. Hell, you can download some of it from Valves very store.