Emotional investment is what I was asking about, but yeah didn't know anything was actually stolen.
It'll be interesting to see what comes of this because apparently there's no stopping people from playing anyway?
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Microsoft initiaties action to protect Halo IP in the wake of ElDewrito (Halo Online Mod)
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It'll be interesting to see what comes of this because apparently there's no stopping people from playing anyway?
MS could go after the modders in a real way - issue DMCA take down demands on the mod client as opposed to the MS23 build of Halo Online, go after the master servers, insist that the developers shut stuff down. But they aren't. They appear to be trying to avoid the wrath of the internet.
Saw this coming after certain actions by a couple of the people involved.
There's fan projects, and then there's openly taunting Microsoft directly and forcing acknowledgement, which means they're forced to activate their lawyers.
A lot of people on the Halo discord almost all agreed once it was known that the campaign assets from 3 were being brought in, they probably were going to get notice'd. When the project jumped from getting a game to run online to outright ripping game content, you're not gonna last long.
And it appears to me the method of takedown and the letter are as diplomatic as can be with Microsoft taking the narrowest path to navigate through this as to not cause anyone personal harm.
There's fan projects, and then there's openly taunting Microsoft directly and forcing acknowledgement, which means they're forced to activate their lawyers.
A lot of people on the Halo discord almost all agreed once it was known that the campaign assets from 3 were being brought in, they probably were going to get notice'd. When the project jumped from getting a game to run online to outright ripping game content, you're not gonna last long.
And it appears to me the method of takedown and the letter are as diplomatic as can be with Microsoft taking the narrowest path to navigate through this as to not cause anyone personal harm.
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This makes me sad because it was shaping up to be something great (and I believe it will definitely kill the game, probably 50 people max will keep playing it) but at the same time it's very understandable. All I know is that I'm preparing a party this weekend to play some Halo.
How are they gonna shut it down though? It's already out in the wild. Does that just mean official development on the project will stop?
I can't imagine they could do anything to prevent the current version of the project from being functional and continue to have servers up.
I can't imagine they could do anything to prevent the current version of the project from being functional and continue to have servers up.
It's definitely really weird. Seems to look like Halo 4 at times, but only briefly. Some of that is probably due to Halo 4 assets, but still.
The lighting varies between looking kinda flat and bright like 3 and kinda dark and textured like Reach's.
Are you serious.
Theft is theft. I'm not allowed to go start making my own brand of Coca Cola, legally or morally, regardless of how big they are. Because if I can do it to them, I can do it to a less successful company.
Huh? 343i's only PC game is Halo 5 Forge and as far as I know, it's not moddable due to all the shitty practices put into place to release it on the Windows Store.
User Warned: Advocating theft and distribution of ip, piracy.
My point was that it's still not worth getting worked up over. It's Microsoft, who cares. It's not some small team or individual that lost a bunch of their work. Someone dumpster dived and took a dead project to some kind of completion.
Uh, yeah, that's not what happened. An in development build was stolen before the beta test even began and is the basis for this project.
While completely unsurprising and probably slightly legally necessary it still sucks. What's keeping 343 from contacting the devs, striking a deal, and releasing it for like 15 bucks? It should put up some huge red flags for 343 when there are tons of fan projects in development, pretty much all of which play like Halo before 343 was a thing. Especially when they get more viewers and excitement from alot of the Halo community than their games.
What?
Well.
- The developers are using assets illegally ripped from old 360 builds of Halo 3 as well as the RU only, shut down Halo Online. Goes against MS's fair use rules.
- Those same fair use rules are what keep fangames like Installation 01 alive and actively worked on. 343 -- and hell even Microsoft -- are one of the few devs/pubs that are immediately receptive of fanwork and love to give feedback. Hell it should be telling that 343 even wrote a fucking response for this where other devs/pubs would silently cut it off.
Yup. A port is completely meaningless to me if it doesn't have an FoV slider.
That's the entire reason it was shut down though because it was using stolen* Microsoft assets.
* any group that doesn't have permission to use the assets from Microsoft would be using stolen assets
Lots of things. A laundry list of criminal acts by core contributors to the project.
If there is no victim. And no one actually lost anything.
meh, doesn't change my opinion. If halo online was some successful project, I'd be more sympathetic.
Just to confirm, you are totally cool with people illegally obtaining an in-development build of a title and spreading it around, prior to even the first public beta test of said title?
YUP.
I just get so motion sick and disoriented after long play sessions. It actually makes me weirdly grumpy; it's odd. Don't have that problem with wide FoV. That's at it's worst of course. I have some better days, but at it's worst it's really really not enjoyable.
It's such a shame because I love classic halo, but 60 fps for MCC only fixed some of the issue for me.
Part of it is there's very few games I can play on a TV. Shooters I just cannot for any significant amount of time. I just lose all sense of direction and get a headache. Playing on a monitor helps tremendously and I don't get a headache, but I still have the disorienting feeling.
But yeah, the bit about
"and we hope to be able to partner with the ElDewrito team and broader mod and content creation community to help inform the types of experiences and features our fans desire."
Is definitely exciting for me. Because those are the kind of people who would probably try to get ultra wide and 100+ Hz support, and already did implement an FoV slider. So hopefully Microsoft gives MCC the attention it deserves on PC.
They're gonne have to, because it'll probably be on the windows store.....
If there is a PC port with key mapping and a FOV slider those better come to Xbox too. Not happy with any of the control presets on Xbox and I just want to be able to jump between games without the FOV changing. The behaviour of crouch in Halo 1 and Halo 3 is so bad if you try to use it like in Halo 4 or 5.
Definitely a pipe dream, I feel pretty confident saying that won't be coming. Would require to much underlying code in all of the games to be changed in order for it to work for the niche limited number of PC players that would use it. Would definitely love to see it happen though!
"Entitlement" is often misused and can bug me a lot, but boy is it appropriate here.
It is nice that 343 even outright talked about PC support for Halo for the second time in a month though, and very like, direct. They've always dismissed it before with that canned PR talk. The language seems different. I hope that's indicative of something.
In this specific circumstance I don't really care. Halo Online failing to come out was not caused by that build leaking. A situation where people pulled a build and put something out that hurt the original owner would be different.
Let's rob a bank, doesn't actually hurt anyone since the money is insured /s
You understand that at the time the build was pulled no one involved would have known that Halo Online would ultimately be cancelled prior to release? The intention was to modify a F2P game and distribute said game, resulting in it competing with the actual official offering.
You'd probably cause a lot of emotional trauma to the people involved. You're a piece of shit if you think that is victimless.
Yes, but that's not what happened in the end.
Yes they sure are, and to be fair almost all threads about intensely loved IP's are kind of embarrassing. When fans are disappointed about anything in the slightest they tend to insult before thinking about the legal and financial positions of the publishers and developers, thus where the term "entitled gamer" comes from.
server list won't populate for me. guess it's down? or maybe just me :(. oh well. would've been nice.
COD, Halo, Destiny, Konami and Capcom threads on gaming side are all embarrassing and, how shall we say, "lightly" moderated.
Basically yeah
Irrational shitheads feeling scorned by a faceless monolith venting out their grievances ad nauseum in scenarios where their grievances weren't even brought up within the context of said thread
Well the developer of Halo Online, Sabre, and whoever was licensing the IP in Russia for the game has probably lost all of their rights for the Halo IP licensing in the foreseeable future due to the build leaking. That's one way something like this can hurt a small developer
Ehhhhh not quite. But...I mean I wasn't surprised.
Though I should be fair because initially I got kinda ticked too, but after reading the situation and I'm glad I didn't just instantly make an angry post. Sucks, but I get it. Stinkles made a good post explaining it as well.
Well it's out there now, and there are no central servers to shut down, so people will be playing this for quite a while
They are one of the worst devs. They've completely ruined a great franchise with every step they've taken with it. I'm not the only Halo fan with this opinion. I was responding to someone saying they burnt their bridge with PC gamers, which means they've burnt every bridge they had. They are one of the worst devs in gaming.
God damn you gotta be mad unwashed to bring up the Halo eSports thing lmfao
Like no soap in the house lmfao
The Halo community is extremely divided on pretty much every single issue.
Ain't that the damn truth lmao. Been this way since 2004. CE was the only game that united us!
Obligatory we need Combat Evolved 2 post
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Basically, we know MS and 343 don't want this out here, but we encourage you to all keep playing and downloading until their lawyers force us to remove our download links.
343 gets a lot of shit, but they did directly lie to their community about the MCC. I bought a next-gen console for that collection and have never been so disillusioned by the industry as I had been with that release.
Halo 5's direction didn't light the world on fire either. =( The only thing they've done right since taking the reigns of the franchise has been improving the scope of Forge.
Care to elaborate on how stealing something that is owned by someone could possibly not result in the owner of said goods being victimized by the act? Seems like a very convenient definition of thievery and its implications and consequences.
What's your take on piracy there partner? I'll bet it's a nuanced one....