TheGamingNewsGuy

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Masahiro Sakurai in his Famitsu Column decided to go over all of the DLC Charcters and goes into some details regarding the making of them and some behind the scenes factoids regading them
 

Neoxon

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I really hope the next Smash game is unionized. The game being non-union in its English voice production could be felt in a number of areas, including Cloud & Sephiroth not having English voices.


He confirms that Banjo was number 2 on the ballot after Sora
No he doesn't
 

ILikeFeet

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lol, Switch hit the same wall that caused the Ice Climber's removal. I guess they could have always lowered the resolution
 

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Oh wow, he actually wanted the idea of rex controlling pyra and mythra but couldnt because of hardaware limitations. Its a pity because it would have been more original and close to how the games control, than just 2 sword fighters more.

At least is cool he really wanted to make it feel like the real game.

Also it seems thats 8 vs smash cause more trouble than its worth when creating unique characters like the ice climbers and rex. I say they should fucking cut it, it probably has very little play for most people.
 

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Sakurai felt that long arms were the key to making a fighter who feels like they're from ARMS.
People have speculated this when it comes to Twintelle not being the ARMS rep (because she uses her hair to fight, not her arms), so it's interesting to have it confirmed here.

Now that Min Min is in though, perhaps having someone like Twintelle be a second rep in a future Smash game would make her stand out a lot from Min Min.
 

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Feel like they were a bit too afraid with Sephiroth's balancing. He isn't that good tbh. His mobility's alright, but that framedata and his weight (combined with his hurtbox size) are not winning him any prizes. Wish they just made him heavy tbh. Final bosses are supposed to be durable motherfuckers. I don't think he'd be the best character in the game even if he was like Kazuya's weight.
 

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I wonder if they considered Jin at all instead of Kazuya, seems like Heihachi was pretty much off the table from the get-go. Also really glad we got Pyra/Mythra as switching characters instead of just Pyra or Rex/Pyra, much better pick overall. Also no surprise with Banjo being popular in the ballot.
 

Unknownlight

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Feel like they were a bit too afraid with Sephiroth's balancing. He isn't that good tbh. His mobility's alright, but that framedata and his weight (combined with his hurtbox size) are not winning him any prizes. Wish they just made him heavy tbh. Final bosses are supposed to be durable motherfuckers. I don't think he'd be the best character in the game even if he was like Kazuya's weight.
Remember that they're concerned with balancing for casual players much more than expert players. They don't want Sephiroth to feel "cheap" for kids playing.
 
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I really hope the next Smash game is unionized. The game being non-union in its English voice production could be felt in a number of areas, including Cloud & Sephiroth not having English voices.
Would Nintendo even be in control of that? For 3rd party characters I'm assuming they'd have to use the existing/approved VAs, if they already had one
 

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Feel like they were a bit too afraid with Sephiroth's balancing. He isn't that good tbh. His mobility's alright, but that framedata and his weight (combined with his hurtbox size) are not winning him any prizes. Wish they just made him heavy tbh. Final bosses are supposed to be durable motherfuckers. I don't think he'd be the best character in the game even if he was like Kazuya's weight.

For real. Given his size, there's no way he should be the same weight as Kirby and Olimar. Feels like they overthought him when it came to balancing and thought he was gonna be too OP with his range, when they really should've just made him average weight.
 

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Would Nintendo even be in control of that? For 3rd party characters I'm assuming they'd have to use the existing/approved VAs, if they already had one
Nintendo were likely the ones to decide if Smash would be a unionized production or not, & I'd imagine that they weren't allowed to cast soundalikes for the FFVII characters.
 

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Reading the excerpt about Sora needing to feel fun in the air has me wondering why Charizard feels like dog water whenever he's airborne.

It literally feels like he's jumping in spite of his body, like his wings are an afterthought. Definitely a character they need to go back to the drawing board with. Same with the other winged characters as well.
 

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Reading the excerpt about Sora needing to feel fun in the air has me wondering why Charizard feels like dog water whenever he's airborne.

It literally feels like he's jumping in spite of his body, like his wings are an afterthought. Definitely a character they need to go back to the drawing board with. Same with the other winged characters as well.
You do not get to complain about Charizard being in the air when b-air exists.
 

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Does he have a coproducer or apprentice or anything like that. It really seems like it's impossible for anyone to take up his mantle
 

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I wonder if they considered Jin at all instead of Kazuya, seems like Heihachi was pretty much off the table from the get-go.
Tekken treats Jin and Devil Jin as separate characters, and only Kazuya can change forms at will, so I'd imagine not (or at least not seriously).
 

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Also it seems thats 8 vs smash cause more trouble than its worth when creating unique characters like the ice climbers and rex. I say they should fucking cut it, it probably has very little play for most people.
You are woefully underestimating how often 8 player Smash (which is really 5-8 player smash) gets played in any sort of get-together. In various friend circles, that is THE way to play Smash. Really 1v1 is the outlier mode for weirdos.
 

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Also it seems thats 8 vs smash cause more trouble than its worth when creating unique characters like the ice climbers and rex. I say they should fucking cut it, it probably has very little play for most people.

8 player Smash probably gets more use than the Ice Climbers have in any of the games they've been included in lol

Saying this as someone that was super bummed when they were cut in 4
 

GlitchyDegree

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Oh wow, he actually wanted the idea of rex controlling pyra and mythra but couldnt because of hardaware limitations. Its a pity because it would have been more original and close to how the games control, than just 2 sword fighters more.

At least is cool he really wanted to make it feel like the real game.

Also it seems thats 8 vs smash cause more trouble than its worth when creating unique characters like the ice climbers and rex. I say they should fucking cut it, it probably has very little play for most people.
That would be a horrible idea. 8 player Smash is the ultimate party game.
 

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Also it seems thats 8 vs smash cause more trouble than its worth when creating unique characters like the ice climbers and rex. I say they should fucking cut it, it probably has very little play for most people.

Can't speak for most, but my friends and I play Smash Ulti 8 player all the time. To this day. lol
 

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Why people always want to put asterisks on Bayo winning the ballot.
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We got a bit more context about the Sora trailer, but the translation for now will be a bit rough until PushDustIn or someone else gets to it.
www.famitsu.com

『スマブラSP』インタビュー。桜井政博氏がDLC制作秘話や配信番組の裏話、今後のことなどを語り尽くした! | ゲーム・エンタメ最新情報のファミ通.com

『スマブラSP』ディレクター桜井政博氏に、同作発売以来ひさびさとなるロングインタビューを実施。DLCファイターの秘話から今後の『スマブラ』までたっぷり語っていただいた。
Interestingly enough, it seems like Sakurai wanted to give Mario a specially-designed keyblade for the trailer, but Disney said no.
 

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We got a bit more context about the Sora trailer, but the translation for now will be a bit rough until PushDustIn or someone else gets to it.
www.famitsu.com

『スマブラSP』インタビュー。桜井政博氏がDLC制作秘話や配信番組の裏話、今後のことなどを語り尽くした! | ゲーム・エンタメ最新情報のファミ通.com

『スマブラSP』ディレクター桜井政博氏に、同作発売以来ひさびさとなるロングインタビューを実施。DLCファイターの秘話から今後の『スマブラ』までたっぷり語っていただいた。
Interestingly enough, it seems like Sakurai wanted to give Mario a specially-designed keyblade for the trailer, but Disney said no.
That tracks with the FF/DeNA mobile game that seems to exist due to Nomura's whims. Keyblades were made their own weapon type and only KH characters could equip them. Even though the mobile game OC protagonist who's gimmick is that he can use any weapon type and skillset including the gender locked Witch spell list (for Rinoa, Matoya and similar female characters).

Disney seems VERY picky as to who can use them in Collab situations. I still find it a miracle that Tyro (FFRK OC protag) was given a Org XIII costume AND his own Dive into the Heart shown in Sora's FFRK limit break. As other FF mobile games with a KH Collab like FF Brave Exvius had Keyblades typed as regular swords but again Only Sora and Riku were allowed to equip them even though Riku's Soul eater KH1 weapon was made to be Riku only if I recall correctly. Also for FFRK they all had Disney ©️ tags for the Keyblades and the Org XIII costume XD. That context made Sora's Smash inclusion really surprising to me and makes me think Nomura used what pull he had with Disney to make it happen as they do ask his permission when they send out the KH Sora Donald Goofy styled mascot costumes for the Disney Cruises.