Mario's physics in NSMBU suck
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My experience with it wasn't as severe as yours, but when the game first came out I made the exact same complaint and absolutely everyone acted like I was crazy. Like there was just a very slight looseness/slipperyness to the controls, and it drove me crazy from start to finish of the game.
They aren't slippery. I did testing on it back when SMM came out because some people were saying this. Here:
What I found is that all 3 games essentially have a p-meter. Obviously SMB3 has one cuz you can see it and we knew SMW had a hidden one, but I was surprised to find NSMBU is affected by one, too.
This is how SMB3, SMW, and NSMBU stack up on acceleration:
The red star is how far you have to run right from the very left edge of the screen to fill the p-meter and run at top speed starting with the p-meter completely empty. The blue star is how far you have to run right from the very left edge of the screen to refill the p-meter after having first run to the left at full speed.
What I found is that SMB3 has the slowest acceleration from 0 p and SMW and NSMBU are tied. However, SMW is the fastest at getting back up to top speed after stopping while SMB3 and NSMBU are tied.
So what about stopping? SMB3 has the worst skidding at full speed. You skid about 3-4 blocks. SMW and NSMBU take about 2 blocks, but NSMBU has a bit more of a pause on the stop that puts it about in line with SMB3 in how long it takes to change direction.
As for air control, SMB3 and NSMBU are about the same. If you run and jump from a platform and then reverse direction after jumping you will land on the spot you jumped from. If you do the same thing in SMW you will overshoot that spot by about 4 blocks.
In all 3 of the games you will only skid if you try to stop after landing a jump. If you try to stop before landing a jump, you will instead stop pinpoint. NSMBU adds an animation of Mario running in the direction you are holding, so this may lend to the perception that there is less control here. The jumps are no less precise.
In short, the long windup and cool down compared to SMB3 and SMW do not exist. NSMBU is a combination of aspects of those 2 games. It has the 0-100 acceleration of SMW and the 100-0-100 acceleration SMB3. It has the skidding distance of SMW but the similar stopping speed of SMB3. And it has the air control of SMB3. If any game would feel like it was on ice it'd be SMB3 due to the slower acceleration and longer skids.
It's especially telling with Mario Maker where all of the physics are the same (NSMBU physics) across all visual styles but people still perceive differences that don't exist.
Also:
Full speed jump arcs from all 4 games:
SMB:
SMB3:
SMW:
NSMBU:
Put 'em all together:
NSMBU's full speed jump arc is near identical to SMW's. SMB1's falls short and SMB3's is nuts.
What I found is that all 3 games essentially have a p-meter. Obviously SMB3 has one cuz you can see it and we knew SMW had a hidden one, but I was surprised to find NSMBU is affected by one, too.
This is how SMB3, SMW, and NSMBU stack up on acceleration:
The red star is how far you have to run right from the very left edge of the screen to fill the p-meter and run at top speed starting with the p-meter completely empty. The blue star is how far you have to run right from the very left edge of the screen to refill the p-meter after having first run to the left at full speed.
What I found is that SMB3 has the slowest acceleration from 0 p and SMW and NSMBU are tied. However, SMW is the fastest at getting back up to top speed after stopping while SMB3 and NSMBU are tied.
So what about stopping? SMB3 has the worst skidding at full speed. You skid about 3-4 blocks. SMW and NSMBU take about 2 blocks, but NSMBU has a bit more of a pause on the stop that puts it about in line with SMB3 in how long it takes to change direction.
As for air control, SMB3 and NSMBU are about the same. If you run and jump from a platform and then reverse direction after jumping you will land on the spot you jumped from. If you do the same thing in SMW you will overshoot that spot by about 4 blocks.
In all 3 of the games you will only skid if you try to stop after landing a jump. If you try to stop before landing a jump, you will instead stop pinpoint. NSMBU adds an animation of Mario running in the direction you are holding, so this may lend to the perception that there is less control here. The jumps are no less precise.
In short, the long windup and cool down compared to SMB3 and SMW do not exist. NSMBU is a combination of aspects of those 2 games. It has the 0-100 acceleration of SMW and the 100-0-100 acceleration SMB3. It has the skidding distance of SMW but the similar stopping speed of SMB3. And it has the air control of SMB3. If any game would feel like it was on ice it'd be SMB3 due to the slower acceleration and longer skids.
It's especially telling with Mario Maker where all of the physics are the same (NSMBU physics) across all visual styles but people still perceive differences that don't exist.
Also:
Full speed jump arcs from all 4 games:
SMB:
SMB3:
SMW:
NSMBU:
Put 'em all together:
NSMBU's full speed jump arc is near identical to SMW's. SMB1's falls short and SMB3's is nuts.
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Is your TV in game mode? It honestly sounds like you have some major input lag and you just weren't aware of it because most modern games are designed around it.
Dropping fact bombs yet again.They aren't slippery. I did testing on it back when SMM came out because some people were saying this. Here:
What I found is that all 3 games essentially have a p-meter. Obviously SMB3 has one cuz you can see it and we knew SMW had a hidden one, but I was surprised to find NSMBU is affected by one, too.
This is how SMB3, SMW, and NSMBU stack up on acceleration:
The red star is how far you have to run right from the very left edge of the screen to fill the p-meter and run at top speed starting with the p-meter completely empty. The blue star is how far you have to run right from the very left edge of the screen to refill the p-meter after having first run to the left at full speed.
What I found is that SMB3 has the slowest acceleration from 0 p and SMW and NSMBU are tied. However, SMW is the fastest at getting back up to top speed after stopping while SMB3 and NSMBU are tied.
So what about stopping? SMB3 has the worst skidding at full speed. You skid about 3-4 blocks. SMW and NSMBU take about 2 blocks, but NSMBU has a bit more of a pause on the stop that puts it about in line with SMB3 in how long it takes to change direction.
As for air control, SMB3 and NSMBU are about the same. If you run and jump from a platform and then reverse direction after jumping you will land on the spot you jumped from. If you do the same thing in SMW you will overshoot that spot by about 4 blocks.
In all 3 of the games you will only skid if you try to stop after landing a jump. If you try to stop before landing a jump, you will instead stop pinpoint. NSMBU adds an animation of Mario running in the direction you are holding, so this may lend to the perception that there is less control here. The jumps are no less precise.
In short, the long windup and cool down compared to SMB3 and SMW do not exist. NSMBU is a combination of aspects of those 2 games. It has the 0-100 acceleration of SMW and the 100-0-100 acceleration SMB3. It has the skidding distance of SMW but the similar stopping speed of SMB3. And it has the air control of SMB3. If any game would feel like it was on ice it'd be SMB3 due to the slower acceleration and longer skids.
It's especially telling with Mario Maker where all of the physics are the same across all visual styles but people still perceive differences that don't exist.
It wasn't so much the physics but the fact it is a 3d model that throws me off. Eventually I adjust to it after a few levels and it feels like old school mario.
My patented 'hold B and flick in the opposite direction upon landing even when it's a one block platform' trick may still hold up.
I love the feel of NSMBU. I run and jump through the levels like a superhero.
I suppose they make it a bit "slippery" compared to some recent indie platformers in order to give weight to the character. Maybe they decided it's more satisfying that way? I dunno, but it works for me.
My problem with the game is that they adjusted the collision detection on enemies, so occasionally I'm surprised when I get killed by a goomba despite landing "on" it, but apparently I'm not centered enough...
I suppose they make it a bit "slippery" compared to some recent indie platformers in order to give weight to the character. Maybe they decided it's more satisfying that way? I dunno, but it works for me.
My problem with the game is that they adjusted the collision detection on enemies, so occasionally I'm surprised when I get killed by a goomba despite landing "on" it, but apparently I'm not centered enough...
They aren't slippery. I did testing on it back when SMM came out because some people were saying this. Here:
What I found is that all 3 games essentially have a p-meter. Obviously SMB3 has one cuz you can see it and we knew SMW had a hidden one, but I was surprised to find NSMBU is affected by one, too.
This is how SMB3, SMW, and NSMBU stack up on acceleration:
The red star is how far you have to run right from the very left edge of the screen to fill the p-meter and run at top speed starting with the p-meter completely empty. The blue star is how far you have to run right from the very left edge of the screen to refill the p-meter after having first run to the left at full speed.
What I found is that SMB3 has the slowest acceleration from 0 p and SMW and NSMBU are tied. However, SMW is the fastest at getting back up to top speed after stopping while SMB3 and NSMBU are tied.
So what about stopping? SMB3 has the worst skidding at full speed. You skid about 3-4 blocks. SMW and NSMBU take about 2 blocks, but NSMBU has a bit more of a pause on the stop that puts it about in line with SMB3 in how long it takes to change direction.
As for air control, SMB3 and NSMBU are about the same. If you run and jump from a platform and then reverse direction after jumping you will land on the spot you jumped from. If you do the same thing in SMW you will overshoot that spot by about 4 blocks.
In all 3 of the games you will only skid if you try to stop after landing a jump. If you try to stop before landing a jump, you will instead stop pinpoint. NSMBU adds an animation of Mario running in the direction you are holding, so this may lend to the perception that there is less control here. The jumps are no less precise.
In short, the long windup and cool down compared to SMB3 and SMW do not exist. NSMBU is a combination of aspects of those 2 games. It has the 0-100 acceleration of SMW and the 100-0-100 acceleration SMB3. It has the skidding distance of SMW but the similar stopping speed of SMB3. And it has the air control of SMB3. If any game would feel like it was on ice it'd be SMB3 due to the slower acceleration and longer skids.
It's especially telling with Mario Maker where all of the physics are the same (NSMBU physics) across all visual styles but people still perceive differences that don't exist.
I've had hours long debates over this before. It's nice to have some assurance that I'm not completely insane.
Did you play as Toadette? She is less slippery by design.
Also I found NSMBU to be amazing, but that is just my opinion.
Also I found NSMBU to be amazing, but that is just my opinion.
I have no idea what you're talking about honestly. I never noticed anything like this at all, except when actually being on ice.
This sounds way more like input lag than anything as NSMBU physics, if anything, feel slightly less slippery than SMB3 to me.
They aren't slippery. I did testing on it back when SMM came out because some people were saying this. Here:
What I found is that all 3 games essentially have a p-meter. Obviously SMB3 has one cuz you can see it and we knew SMW had a hidden one, but I was surprised to find NSMBU is affected by one, too.
This is how SMB3, SMW, and NSMBU stack up on acceleration:
The red star is how far you have to run right from the very left edge of the screen to fill the p-meter and run at top speed starting with the p-meter completely empty. The blue star is how far you have to run right from the very left edge of the screen to refill the p-meter after having first run to the left at full speed.
What I found is that SMB3 has the slowest acceleration from 0 p and SMW and NSMBU are tied. However, SMW is the fastest at getting back up to top speed after stopping while SMB3 and NSMBU are tied.
So what about stopping? SMB3 has the worst skidding at full speed. You skid about 3-4 blocks. SMW and NSMBU take about 2 blocks, but NSMBU has a bit more of a pause on the stop that puts it about in line with SMB3 in how long it takes to change direction.
As for air control, SMB3 and NSMBU are about the same. If you run and jump from a platform and then reverse direction after jumping you will land on the spot you jumped from. If you do the same thing in SMW you will overshoot that spot by about 4 blocks.
In all 3 of the games you will only skid if you try to stop after landing a jump. If you try to stop before landing a jump, you will instead stop pinpoint. NSMBU adds an animation of Mario running in the direction you are holding, so this may lend to the perception that there is less control here. The jumps are no less precise.
In short, the long windup and cool down compared to SMB3 and SMW do not exist. NSMBU is a combination of aspects of those 2 games. It has the 0-100 acceleration of SMW and the 100-0-100 acceleration SMB3. It has the skidding distance of SMW but the similar stopping speed of SMB3. And it has the air control of SMB3. If any game would feel like it was on ice it'd be SMB3 due to the slower acceleration and longer skids.
It's especially telling with Mario Maker where all of the physics are the same (NSMBU physics) across all visual styles but people still perceive differences that don't exist.
Best post in forever. Thanks for putting this info out there.
It feels off to me as well. I don't think its input lag on my TV as I've only played it in handheld mode. I just took it as I've got to get used to it.
Me and a lot other people.
Especially when the OP is misinformed.
I agree with this, people just get so bent out of shape over the visual and music style, that they ignore this.
I do hope the next 2D Mario does something creative like the Van Gogh level for whole worlds, or more levels.
3d models "feel" floatier than 2d sprites even when the physics are identical. i think it has something to do with the startup on the animation, vs the instant movement of a sprite
i always get used to it though
i always get used to it though
Too much embarrassment from that minor typo in the thread title, obviously
When are people going to learn that just posting "can a mod fix the title" in the thread never works. You need to use the report function to report the thread to a mod and ask them to change the title that way.
[raises hand] Or at least the best one since SMW, especially when combined with NSLU.
They're the same, though. The only difference is the camera zooms out in NSMBU. And the SMM version uses low framerate animated textures for enemies and dynamic objects instead of full 3D models
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Unless you were already told it's fairly counter intuitive?
Why can only mods edit titles, anyway? Other than "because it was like that on GAF"
Yes I thought that more people knew that. Anyway I just reported it, lets see if it works lol.
Edit: it worked
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