So according to some of y'all if I shave my mustache and accidentally forget the middle and say "I look like hitler lol" I should go to jail and am a neo nazi? That's stupid
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Man who taught dog Nazi salute found guilty of hate crime
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Unsurprising "Its just a joke." wouldn't be a reliable defense if outside the clip he is genuinely supportive of racist activities.
Probably why it was stuck in the courts for two years and kept going to a delay/retrial.
At this point, it appears it isn't an actual hate speech charge, but "grossly offensive" under the communications act. The charge has obviously stuck, it's the sentence that needs to be carried out now.
Hate speech charges tend to be 12~24 months in jail, it seems the communications act is more ~6 months
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/communications-offences
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It's a pug giving a Nazi salute though. I can't really see how it wouldn't be a joke, unless you genuinely believe he's indoctrinated his dog.
Yes, that is exactly what everyone is saying.
In fact, you might go to jail just for joking about making that joke.
That's why America is like it is right? Far Right marches, LGBT+ being treated like shit, KKK walking about etc etc
It's honestly kind of worrisome how many people agree with this verdict. That signals to me that the people posting this comic:
never really believed it. You can't mock "freeze peach" and then turn around and be cool with government intervention. Social consequences, employment consequences, etc; all fair game. But legal consequences for an offensive joke? Nah, fuck that.
This is not incitement, it's a dipshit doing a bad routine. Though I'll admit I laughed at the absurdity in the same way I laughed at that one dude that taught his friend's dog to associate "Wanna go for a walk" with the words "Child porn!"
Edit: And before anyone says anything, yes I know that comic as about America. The idea still applies.
I agree absolutely. Let the people decide if something's offensive or not, not the courts. Anyone who agrees with the verdict yet shared that comic is a hypocrite.
It is not Fucking "black comedy", referring to it as such misses the point completely. It is an abhorrent act masquerading as a joke, there is a huge difference between actual humour and hate speech and it is about time people like you understood that.
Which was a violation of peoples' rights. The US government wrongly violates the rights of its citizens everyday, that doesn't change the fact that those rights are constitutionally protected and should be fought for
I guarantee you that you have offended people in your life and not cared.
What is and is not offensive varies from person to person, especially when it concerns humor. This guy's no Dave Chappelle, but it is clearly meant to be a joke with no real meaning behind it. This is apparently backed up by his utter lack of white nationalist tendencies outside of this video (if this is mistaken, and he actually is, then this changes things).
Was this video produced with the intent to hate on Jews or take on a "hitler was right" stance?
The alternative you've created is one where instead of knowing who the assholes are, you just don't get a job or a cab or one of the millions of other systemic, quiet shitty things bigots do. And it stays that way because everyone pats themselves on the back about how there's no more racist videos or blog posts.
The problem is that combating all of this takes time and will always take time. People will yell and shout disgusting things. It's not fun but this starts the ball rolling and the alternative is worse.
And hate speech violates the constituation rights of people and the role of the state is to protect those rights.
Context. You are comparing satirical TV comedy with a "joke"from an outspoken anti-gay, anti-muslim, anti-feminist, anti-"PC", alt-right asshole.
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This is an annoying argumentative tactic. If you have something to say, just say it please.
This doesn't appear to be a hate speech charge, the charge is "grossly offensive" under the communications act. Before anyone says what is the difference, well as above you can see the communications act is up to 6 months in jail, hate speech laws cover other acts that can have 10m+ jail sentences.
Recommend watching his debate with Destiny. I think this guy might be one of the stupidest people Destiny has "debated".
And they burn in the light of day. It's better to let them expose themselves than force them into the shadows where they can fester.
The only positive to the Trump presidency is that it has ripped the bandage off of the old wounds of the United States and exposed the rotting flesh so it can now be cut away.
Malicious communications based on the communications acts falls under the umbrella hate speech.
I believe the general notion of confusion over what the hell they just read was adequately expressed in their posts
The alternative I've created is that I don't have to fear for my life because of racist abuse. You would think a country with blatantly corrupt and racist police force that murders it's citizens with no repercussions (and the country at large is fine with this) and treats members of it's society as second class citizens wouldn't be sitting on a high horse dictating how poor another countries treatment racist actions but here we are.
The proof is in the pudding that stats speak for themselves.
Dude they don't burn in the light of day. They grow like plants because they feed on the light.
No, if it was proven to be hate speech he would've been charged with hate speech, he was charged with 'offensive communications' because his speech didn't meet the requirements for hate speech.
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I'm reminded of the quote "the line between doing a nazi salute as a joke, and doing one for real is irrelevant."
Are we at the part of the thread where the anime avatars argue in bad faith yet?
Are we at the part of the thread where the anime avatars argue in bad faith yet?
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It seems pretty clear to me what that poster meant. Not saying I agree personally, but many people in this thread seem to share a similar belief articulated a little more concisely.
This basic violation of our most sacred human right couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
Except to me I believe this guys intention was indeed to spread hate. A hate speech rally is also a voluntary thing to attend. No one is forcing anyone to go but they happen all the same similar to this guys video. Also I've said before that I don't agree with prefacing hate speech as a joke negates the speech said. Someone posted a video of john cleese a while ago saying that these are similar situations that can be seen as jokes however I disagree. John Cleese didn't have to preface this by saying it's a joke because it's understood to be one by the context of the scene and setting. No one believes he is advocating for nazism because he is being a all around silly man. However the context of this video is completely different. I am glad we agree that what he said was in bad taste but that doesn't mean someone isn't agree that they should gas the jews. Also I have to leave for a alittle while at this point but would like to continue talk about this. It's been a fun conversation.
Says the man who wants to Annex Canada and trample on their rights.
It's fascinating that this argument is still a thing. Look around you dude.
He said he was joking though. Just because it's a shit joke doesn't make it illegal. Was he convicted because people thought he was serious? What would that mean? He was serious about promoting Nazi ideology through teaching a dog the salute?
It's worth noting that based on my reading the communications act 2003 section 127 was primarily intended to cover private phone calls and emails, that is to say one-to-one communications. It was said to be used as an alternative offence for cyber bullying, cyber stalking and hate crimes, rather than to deal with grossly offensive communications more broadly.
yes it was clear and an adequate response can be "ummmm, wtf" or any variation of that
that was my response when reading that post I just didn't reply
Good. Sets an example that White Supremacists and Nazis are scum and will be jailed. I hope they throw him in a dark cell and never let the nazi fuck out.
Did you guys really not realize that all the hateful people were out there before Trump was president? You can't be serious right now, they've been in the public eye the whole time. And I'm not sure how you think that they're going away in the slightest
It will never be cut away sadly, racism/ bigotry is too entrenched in American society. People can get away being racist/bigots by simply saying something goes against their religion or views.
While the United States has severe problems in almost every way, I do have an appreciation for our Freedom of Speech. I don't know what the price we pay for this might be, but in the grand scheme of things, we always keep moving in the right direction, slowly but steadfastly. You younger members think things are bad, you should have heard how people in the early 90's talked about gay people then. Take the worst 5% of opinions about gays today, and that was the mainstream. We didn't have to throw people in jail to change these attitudes.
However, if you are happy with this, then it's your country and I'm sure it won't hurt things too bad. But, my concern is that it might not seem so nice if somebody with whom you disagree were to become the arbiter of what is offensive and what is not. 12 months for saying Apostle Paul was a charlatan wouldn't be so peachy.
However, if you are happy with this, then it's your country and I'm sure it won't hurt things too bad. But, my concern is that it might not seem so nice if somebody with whom you disagree were to become the arbiter of what is offensive and what is not. 12 months for saying Apostle Paul was a charlatan wouldn't be so peachy.
They aren't growing, they are withering. It only looks like growth because many of those who've kept it to themselves or their social circle are now exposing themselves.
Legally? Absolutely. Because that gives them the right to shit on them back. You see how fragile some white people are over white people jokes?
The idea of "protected classes" when it comes to humor is dumb.
I'm not sure what your intention was but I'm more thinking that the actual punishment matters. ASBO? Sure. Fine? Fine. Community service in a Jewish neighborhood? Amazing.
Prison? Too far.
If he was going around actually advocating these things, it'd be very different (as would what he's been found guilty of).
Yes I'm claiming that instance completely on its own without any other context to what's going on in social media platforms and YouTube is going to cause a dystopian future. Yup. Critical thinking is hard.
Side note I absolutely love all the people in this thread trying to minimalize what he did to just dog tricks leaving out the exact phrases he used. Cute.
There's nothing to expose when almost half your voting population agrees is or is fine with it. That's the status quo not some rare occurrence.
hopefully the dog will be able to plead ignorance, he was just following orders after all.