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Lib Dems are on the side of "Trans Women have the right to exist, but TERFs have the right to express their opinion and not have consequences for it" So its much better than Keir's flat out transphobic crusade.
Kier Starmer: Trans Women have no right to single Sex Spaces including bathrooms, even with a GRC
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Lib Dems are on the side of "Trans Women have the right to exist, but TERFs have the right to express their opinion and not have consequences for it" So its much better than Keir's flat out transphobic crusade.
Profoundly tone deaf and irresponsible to ban a woman for justifiably using that word about a man for seeking to police trans women's very existence.
What the fuck is wrong with you, mods? You step on rakes like this for no reason whatsoever. You are why this place isn't safe and why it's bleeding members.
Ban all of us for meta commentary though I'm sure.
What the fuck is wrong with you, mods? You step on rakes like this for no reason whatsoever. You are why this place isn't safe and why it's bleeding members.
Ban all of us for meta commentary though I'm sure.
Depressing... I could "understand" it from a cold-hearted, calculated political viewpoint if polls suggested it was a key policy area. But as it is... I don't understand the straight up denial of trans rights like this.
Now we get to question whether the mods chose to action harshly because of the she/they angle or because the poster wasn't a cis woman. Wonderful.
Yeah, in general the Scottish Greens are better on progressivism like this, English/Welsh Greens less so. They've been two separate parties since 1990. It can broadly come down to who your local representative is. Fortunately, mine is pretty good on this.
Moderating in a binary fashion without due consideration for context or nuance is inadvisable in cases where alleviating if not nullifying context was made evident for the supposed violation. I declare it inadmissable in a court of law, and all that stuff.
People like Starmer arguing for restricting people's right to exist in public spaces is anti-democratic bigotry that opposes human rights. Politicians whining about stupid bullshit like this so they can pretend like they're doing something, when there are actual pressing problems that need to be addressed, is frustratingly idiotic. Stop making up and wasting time on non-issues at the behest of dumbass bigots throwing tantrums, and just let people go to the bathroom you heinous fucking turds.
If you can attach messaging along those lines to your vote somehow, please do.
People like Starmer arguing for restricting people's right to exist in public spaces is anti-democratic bigotry that opposes human rights. Politicians whining about stupid bullshit like this so they can pretend like they're doing something, when there are actual pressing problems that need to be addressed, is frustratingly idiotic. Stop making up and wasting time on non-issues at the behest of dumbass bigots throwing tantrums, and just let people go to the bathroom you heinous fucking turds.
If you can attach messaging along those lines to your vote somehow, please do.
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seems like we need The Things tests, but for the c-word!
Labour are no allies and this proves it.
Cannot claim this in good faith anymore. Unfortunately it won't stop some from defending this either in online discourse or the inevitable labour governent. None of the other parties are much better either. Trans people are under attack from all sides.
Cannot claim this in good faith anymore. Unfortunately it won't stop some from defending this either in online discourse or the inevitable labour governent. None of the other parties are much better either. Trans people are under attack from all sides.
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It's so fucking strange that a senile old man "in charge" of America has more compassion and allyship than the entire UK government.
Ah yes, ban a woman for calling a man a "misogynistic slur". Staff are really using all their brain cells this week.
This is such an incredibly dark week for political news. I don't know what I can say to make anyone feel better, but fuck Starmer and other opportunistic scumbags that are hurting trans people.
Edit: That ban was terrible.
Edit: That ban was terrible.
it's certainly why we all need to stick together, even away from politicians
we need to hold tight to each other
To some extent yes, but good luck if the Supreme Court has a say in it, we have seen the way they have been ruling recently. Trump has zero respect for trans rights so if he gets it will be even worse.
There aren't many TERFs in the UK but most of them have newspaper columns (from all political persuasions I might add).
Politicians see columnists views as the views of the public in general so will try to pander to their views.
Much of UK politics is driven by the insane brain worms of the UK media.
TUSC are pretty good when it comes to trans rights looking at their manifesto "● Full equality for LGBT people. Oppose transphobia, promote trans and non-binary rights. Support Gender Recognition Reform for all trans and non-binary people."
They actually had the best manifesto i've had through the post this past month or so out of any party.
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It's why I put in charge in quotation marks, because the president only seems to have power when they're a right wing scumbag.
The weird thing is this is a near-overnight about-face.
Even the Conservative government was, up until quite recently, generally progressive on trans issues, arguing for self ID. Being that it's a very small part of the population who are transgender, it was a "quiet" issue that nobody seemed bothered by in terms of national dialogue.
Then just two or three years ago it suddenly became this huge talking point in the rightwing (and then, sadly, centrist and leftwing) press, given rocketfuel by JK Rowling's obsession with the matter. Suddenly all this quiet progression was halted and everyone - conservative or not - fell into line on saying shit that basically amounted to "trans women aren't women".
A mixture of decades of treating trans people as jokes, a gross lack of understanding biology that people like Rowling and Newspaper have taken advantage of (the same tactic used by the press during the MMR scare and when supported climate change denial), low-key transphobic policies throughout the 80s-00s and people like Rowling championing yet.
Yeah I was thinking about this the other day. I remember not so long ago even Sunak talking at least neutrally if not outright supportively. I want to say Braverman was one of the first to really start pushing transphobic rhetoric as part of her efforts to drag the tories deeper into the culture wars, but I'm not certain.
Rowling probably plays a huge role.
She has established some heinous people.
Ha, well yea of course... Brits, Aussies, Irish... all a massive bunch of c***s.
I didn't want to be the one to say it, but the thought was definitely there.
Echoing what someone said earlier. I thought women were given some leeway on that word.
I'm still mad at you because you sold me on Great Value spicy nuggets and they were all sold out at Walmart when I went to buy some and try them.
Until Walmart gets new stock of nuggets, no holding.
Yeah I thought about that too but I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I'm still mad at you because you sold me on Great Value spicy nuggets and they were all sold out at Walmart when I went to buy some and try them.
Until Walmart gets new stock of nuggets, no holding.
Yeah I thought about that too but I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.
On trans issues they will be far to the right of Cameron and especially May who was generally sympathetic.
As well as what Keir Starmer has said, look up Wes Streeting and Bridget Phillipson's most recent statements (the probable health and education secretaries respectively).
Labour are awful.
I am not sure who this ban is supposed to be protecting.
The weird inconsistency with slurs here is getting kind of uncomfortable. I won't police black members from using the other c word, but I was thrown off to see other slurs getting thrown around without actioning.
Until there's some consistency, staff deserves some flack over how this word is being handled.
The way the rules were written always felt like they don't really take NB/GF/GNC/etc people into consideration.
The point I was (poorly) trying to make is that by dropping that ban, internal policy took spotlight over the continued travesty.
In my opinion, it was the wrong thing to do because it just draws attention from the hate speech/policy that's taking place in the UK. In doing so, it highlights the forum rule over the trans hate, if that makes sense.
His strategy of throwing trans people under the bus is absolutely failing. Rowling outright said she isn't voting for Labour. All the TERFs see right through Starmer's pathetic attempts to turn Labour into diet Tory. I fucking hate him with every fibre of my being. Stopped voting for Labour ever since Starmer took over and i'll never vote for them again until he's gone.
at this point I'm fully expecting Sir Kid Starver to appoint rowling as his minister for equality
Regarding the C word ban,
Might be worth adding some feedback to the Community discussion thread:
Might be worth adding some feedback to the Community discussion thread:
Can we go even a week in this country without some piece of shit, let alone a piece of shit that's about to become PM, demonising trans people for existing
Who is he even fucking appealing to at this point? disillusioned tory voters are going to vote reform, lol
Also I don't think there's ever been better evidence for the C word ban being stupid and needing more context than that second post.
Who is he even fucking appealing to at this point? disillusioned tory voters are going to vote reform, lol
Also I don't think there's ever been better evidence for the C word ban being stupid and needing more context than that second post.
This is why I'll probably never go back to the UK for vacation even though I enjoyed it a lot a few years ago. I loved Scotland so much. What a shame.
That ban is pretty shameful too. Maybe one of the most unjust I've seen on this forum and there have been some doozies over the years.
That ban is pretty shameful too. Maybe one of the most unjust I've seen on this forum and there have been some doozies over the years.
You can blame the space they are in for why they'd not feel like they'd be able to get a pass.
That ban is laughable, and I wish it was the first time this kind of thing has happened. But nothing will change.