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Kanye West reveals album cover
- Thread starter Lifejumper
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He's been toying with / remixing dangerous / violent stuff for a long time. He's a provocateur. There are so many other things worth so much more time to channel that anger towards. Putting Kanye as a proxy for Trump is really the height of distraction.
Lol, even with his trump remarks he still has a defense force. The amount of glorification of this clown is incredible.
Uh.. really? You never get over an immediate family member's death.
Luckily I can do more than one thing at a time.
And being "provocateur" is so lame I don't even know where to begin. I could care less if it's all for the PR, if he really believes it, or a combination of the two. And neither tragedy nor mental illness is a valid excuse for doing so either. Many people experience both throughout our lives, it's not a blank cheque to be a moron.
As far as I know no one here is a doctor that can make a diagnosis based on a picture. And I never said mental health is not a serious issue, but it's disingenuous to dismiss his behavior as merely mental health issues and once he sees a therapist Kanye will be cool again.
As I said before, he's an ass, he's always been one. This is just the latest in a long line. People are willing to forgive it because he made music they liked.
What's the point of doing this if that's what he's doing? I'm sure a lot of people who liked him stopped fucking with him even those who might just play his music casually. He alienated a lot of his friends who are on the left. His new fans coming from the right don't even fuck with his kind of music like that so what is the point of trolling at the end of the day?
What PR do you think he is getting out of this? Your "take" involves some sort of planning. What is he gaining from this
(Edit) Re-read. You have multiple reasons. Apologies.
You're joking right? This isn't a serious post.
"Hey everyone, here's a ton of offensive stuff! But like I love everyone! PS Here's my new songs, album dropping soon."
People react differently to death, his mom died at a time where he was really starting to blow up, you would need a anchor to deal with the stress, his anchor died when she didnt have to on top of that around that time his fiance broke it off. Thats alot to deal with on top of the pressure. So I can understamd him never having the time to fully process it
Kanye isn't trolling (aside from Lift Yourself which is the definition of a troll, but that was directed at Ebro and nobody else). His admiration for trump and alt-right figures has nothing to do with policy, it's a genuine inspiration he feels from seeing brash and controversial figures (much like himself) receive popularity and refuse to change their beliefs, no matter how shitty. That's all it is. Now that's really fucking stupid and I'm not defending him, I would just rather see him get criticized for the stupid shit he's actually doing than the stupid shit that he isn't doing.
K. I actually apologized because I thought there was more nuance to your argument but how is it good PR to piss off your entire fan base?
Also I don't think it's mental illness but it's pretty messed up to be so dismissive of mental illness. That's a very weird thing to not care about.
So no more apology then?
Obviously he craves attention. Whether or it works out for him or not is not the point. I didn't say it was smart.
I'd just ask why you think he craves attention? He's just doing shit. You are the one paying attention. Definition of provocateur to me.
"Forgive him"...? For what? The man did nothing wrong. You should be thanking him, as you're all indebted to him for all the phenomenal music he has gifted us with over his terrific career. Show some respect and gratitude.
are you really questioning whether Kanye "George Bush doesn't care about black people" "Imma let you finish" "Dragon Energy" West craves attention?
I think you're letting your admiration for him cloud your judgment here. Kanye West is the literal definition of craving attention.
Because you keep saying he's a provacateur or whatever but you don't realize that it's the same thing as a attention starved celebrity.
Unless you think those were done to make people think about society through an extreme context and push society's envelope.
...does this mean something different than what I know the word as? (coming from the South).
Because there it is a straight up racial slur on par with the N word.
I mean, Kanye's definitely making a point about identity politics and how you shouldn't be afraid not to box yourself into a certain political point of view just because you feel pressured to fall in as a republican or democrat. he's just being an obnoxious attention whore while making that point
I was gonna ask the same thing. Maybe it means something different where he's from?
Why do people keep throwing out racial slurs whenever they feel like it? Is this the type of forum you want to do that on?
"Coon" is the accepted way of calling a black person a "nigger" on most forums.
Insult a video game console.....catch a ban
Hurl multiple racial slurs......catch a warning
Kanye could be mentally ill and an asshole, you can be both. What I want to ask the people claiming that he is playing the media to promote his album is why? He is already popular and his album was gonna sell anyway so why go through all this bullshit if it's just a publicity stunt, why risk this amount of negativity?
The impact of his Mom's death becomes more apparent as time goes on. It's no surprise we lost him, Kanye West died with Donda.
I just came back from a Ban........
Kanye West is Objectively and Subjectively the most influential Rapper since 2008.
What they said.
You're not wrong, but like why is it that he acts out like this conveniently around the same time he's about to sell a new album.
Do we not remember Kanye tweeting out "Bill Cosby is innocent" before TLOP? Was his mother's death responsible for that stunt too?
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Yeah people keep saying this but never say why
I can say how Nas, Biggie and Wu-Tang changed the game. I can say how Jay-Z or NWA changed the game. But no one can tell me how Kanye was influential. Why because he is a rapper/producer?
His approach to production is incredibly influential... His actual lyrical style though? I'm not sure how anyone can say he's been influential. Drake has had a far bigger impact from that aspect but that's a debate for a different thread.
Where can I start..Kanye produced most of the major hits for Jay-Z. Which went on to me defined as the Jay-Z sound. A lot of the influence from the Roc was made on the backbones of Kanye's beats. He also debunked the myth that a Producer couldn't be a Good Rapper. He single-handedly changed the course of Hip Hop popularizing introverted lyrics and perfecting the lane in which Rappers that fell out of the Gangsta Rap persona could thrive in. His use of 808s, auto tune, Singing Rap and melancholic atmospheres in Rap went on to inspire Drake, Kid Cudi, Kendrick Lamar, J.Cole and Big KRIT who all cite Kanye as a Major Influence. He resurrected the careers of John Legend, Common and countless others. He made Nerds feel like we had a place in rap. Suddenly it was cool to rap about Video Games, Anime and cartoons because Kanye made it cool to be a backpack rapper.
Producers have been good rappers for years before Kanye west. Daz Dillenger from Dogg Pound, Havoc from Mobb Deep, RZA from Wu-Tang, Q-Tip from Tribe Called Quest. People forget that Just Blaze made the Roc sound way before Kanye. Auto Tone and Singing rap imo is lame. The people he influenced doubly so, but I can say that with out trolling because that style is wack to me. I grew up on hardcore hip hop, so hearing auto tune and singing in rap music hurts my damn soul. Talib Kweli, Common and Mos Def, hell tribe called quest made it cool to be a backpack hip hop rapper before Kanye.
He's the greatest rapper out of Chicago, I'll give you that.
It's basically a more offensive way to call someone an Uncle Tom. I get why people aren't comfortable with it, though.