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Jeff Bezos's $150 Billion Fortune Is a Policy Failure

Last month, Bloomberg reported that Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon and owner of the Washington Post, has accumulated a fortune worth $150 billion. That is the biggest nominal amount in modern history, and extraordinary any way you slice it. Bezos is the world's lone hectobillionaire. He is worth what the average American family is, nearly two million times over. He has about 50 percent more money than Bill Gates, twice as much as Mark Zuckerberg, 50 times as much as Oprah, and perhaps 100 times as much as President Trump. (Who knows!) He has gotten $50 billion richer in less than a year. He needs to spend roughly $28 million a day just to keep from accumulating more wealth.
This is a credit to Bezos's ingenuity and his business acumen. Amazon is a marvel that has changed everything from how we read, to how we shop, to how we structure our neighborhoods, to how our postal system works. But his fortune is also a policy failure, an indictment of a tax and transfer system and a business and regulatory environment designed to supercharging the earnings of and encouraging wealth accumulation among the few. Bezos did not just make his $150 billion. In some ways, we gave it to him, perhaps to the detriment of all of us.
In contrast, half of Amazon's domestic employees make less than $28,446 a year, per the company's legal filings. Some workers have complained of getting timed six-minute bathroom breaks. Warehouse workers need to pick goods and pack boxes at closely monitored speeds, handling up to 1,000 items and walking as many as 15 miles per shift. Contractors have repeatedly complained of wage-and-hour violations and argued that the company retaliates against whistleblowers. An Amazon temp died on the floor just a few years ago.
The impoverishment of the latter and the wealth of the former are linked by policy. Take taxes. The idea of America's progressive income-tax system is that rich workers should pay higher tax rates than poor workers, with the top rate of 37 percent hitting earnings over $500,000. (The top marginal tax rate was 92 percent as recently as 1953.) But Bezos takes a paltry salary, in relative terms, given the number of shares he owns. That means his gains are subject to capital-gains taxes, which top out at just 20 percent; like Warren Buffett, it is possible he pays effective tax rates lower than his secretary does.

Moreover, Amazon itself paid no federal corporate income taxes last year, despite making billions of dollars in profits. It has fought tooth-and-nail against state and local taxes, and has successfully cajoled cities into promising it billions and billions and billions in write-offs and investment incentives in exchange for placing jobs there. (Given that Bezos is a major Amazon shareholder, such tax-dodging redounds directly to his benefit.)
Amazon's starting wage is about $5-an-hour below the country's national living wage, and its median full-time wage is a full dollar below it as well: The company is profitable and has money to invest in operations and expansions because its labor force is so cheap. Of course, it is not cheap for the taxpayer, which ameliorates the effects of poverty wages with policies like the Earned Income Tax Credit, Medicaid, and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. One in three Amazon employees in the state of Arizona is reportedly on food stamps.

The result of these decades of trends and policy choices is that Jeff Bezos has accumulated a $150 billion fortune while the average American family is poorer than it was when the Great Recession hit. Concerns about such astonishing levels of inequality are not just about fairness, nor are they just sour-grapesing about runaway success. The point is not that Jeff Bezos himself has done wrong by accumulating such wealth, or creating such profitable and world-changing businesses. But wealth concentration is bad for the economy and the country itself, and the government has failed to counter it. Rising inequality fuelspolitical polarization and partisan gridlock. It slows economic growth, and implies a lack of competition that fuels economic sclerosis. It makes the government less responsive to the demands of normal people, potentially putting our very democracy at risk. Bezos's extraordinary fortune shows that the game is rigged. He just happened to play it better than anyone else.

Lots of policy talk in rest of the article.
 

Raguel

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$28 million a day could help the entire world. He could give all his lower level employee raises. But nah. Let's horde it.
 

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$28 million a day could help the entire world. He could give all his lower level employee raises. But nah. Let's horde it.
I know his assets are not just cash sitting in a bank vault but because he accumulates so much wealth per day I do wonder how much liquid wealth he has on hand that could be hypotheticallyg given away as something more tangible than stocks and recouped the next day.
 

Am_I_Evil

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how can you possibly get to this point? like i get it, congrats on the work...but if you have to literally spend $28 million a day give every damn one of your employees a substantial raise...maybe hire some more folks so you can relax how crazy it is...ya know, don't just be an asshole

charity, hell start doing $1 millions amazon giveaways daily for prime members (and watch those subscriptions sky rocket)

also...why in the fuck did the prime cost just go up? how does that make any sense?
 

Double 0

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Pay your workers.

Or bettet yet, Dems when you win, tax the shit out of him and his friends.
 

Tagyhag

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Bezos seems like the type that would hoard all of this money and start to finally give out money when he realizes his own mortality.
 

TheBeardedOne

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Maybe he should pay the people who work for him properly and not treat them like trash. That money could accomplish a lot if used that way.
 

mael

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pay your fucking workers
You would think that would be obvious and the focus of the article but nope guess we'll get a new "look at how endearing this father of 2 working 4 jobs is when he surprises his cute daughter with the books she needs to learn how to read" instead.
It's like everyone wants to put the onion out of a job!
 

m_shortpants

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LeBron's new school cost $8 million dollars.

Imagine what you could do with $28 million a day for this country. Or the world.

Fuck
 

Raguel

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$28 million per day / 563,000 employees = $49.73 per day
$49.73 per day * 365 days/year = $18,151 annual salary raise for every employee
And that's for every employee. IF we exclude the execs and upper management - who are already making crazy amounts of money with bonuses, etc - the salary raise increases. So much money and he doesn't use it to do good. Fuck Bezos
 

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Of course the the second you suggest that maybe you should raise taxe on these people every will start crying like the poor CEO have been living off ramen for a month.
 

LegendofLex

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$28 million per day / 563,000 employees = $49.73 per day
$49.73 per day * 365 days/year = $18,151 annual salary raise for every employee
The real trick would be to dole this out progressively, so every employee makes above a certain salary floor (while well-paid employees still benefit, but not as much) rather than giving a flat across-the-board raise.
 

Vixdean

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Whatever, just stick your damn HQ2 in Raleigh so I can sell my condo there for bank and retire.
 

Ether_Snake

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He doesn't actually have the money, he has shares in the company. It would be more relevant to look at how much revenue he makes a year, so at least look at how much he got from selling shares each year, which is public information. He is supposed to be paying taxes on that, something like whatever the highest rate is, on 50% of the gains.

No doubt he is very rich, and he spent something like 40 million dollars building a clock (I'm going to assume that was hyperbole from whoever had written that article but it might well be just a damn clock), but the OP is disingenuous, if Amazon's shares drop 30% so does his "wealth". Look at his actual revenue.

It's pointless to point at one person as being too rich, the issue is the tax code, so it's a systemic issue. Bezos can't be expected to gift the US government money. Fix the tax code.

And that's for every employee. IF we exclude the execs and upper management - who are already making crazy amounts of money with bonuses, etc - the salary raise increases. So much money and he doesn't use it to do good. Fuck Bezos

You would only save 49$ x the number of executives, which is probably very small. Might as well give everyone the same amount.
 

PeskyToaster

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Man rich people just don't get it. People do eventually get sick of this shit and then they get rowdy.
 

mrmoose

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Do people really think the money to pay workers comes or should come from the personal wealth of the founder and CEO of a publicly traded company? I'm not even sure how that would work if he wanted to donate that large of an amount to the company.
 

Jam

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A lot of these rich lists aren't entirely accurate, people like Bezos and Zuckerberg don't actually have a bank account with $150bn in them - the vast majority of their wealth is tied up in their ownership of Amazon/Facebook as well as investments and what not. Their actual monetary worth is still in the billions which is ridiculous within itself.

However it is still extremely critical of company practices of how worth doesn't trickle down to the workers and is tied within the board's profiteering. Amazon should absolutely pay their workers better - or at the very least let them have basic fucking human rights at workplaces and improve conditions. People are working their fingers to the bone for the sake of Amazon and deserve better monetary reward, working conditions and benefit packages.
 

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Everything's been getting funneled to the top in slow motion and we've gotten to the point where we actively hate on the systems built to protect us from this bs. We've demonized workers unions to the point of extinction and then wonder why people are pissing in bottles or getting screwed out of rightful worker's comp from legitimate on-the-job injuries. Who knew it's actually much more economical to just shit on people instead while being fully legal in the eyes of the law. That's what leads to "that's just business", "that's just being smart, if they won't someone else will...". This has to be reigned in from a policy level or it leads to the company itself writing that policy.

I also saw this in the article I thought kinda summed it all up.
Bezos has argued that there is not enough philanthropic need on earth for him to spend his billions on. (The Amazon founder, unlike Gates or Zuckerberg, has given away only a tiny fraction of his fortune.) "The only way that I can see to deploy this much financial resource is by converting my Amazon winnings into space travel," he said this spring. "I am going to use my financial lottery winnings from Amazon to fund that."

Bezos is like, thanks for the 150 'billies I'm fuckin outta here. If you think you're getting a golden ticket to the Amazon Jupiter Space Station you better start saving your pennies.