This ICC decision was a great thing to wake up to. Of course there are people on socials saying the ICC can't do shit and while that might be true it's a very public and serious rebuke of what Israel has been doing and that's still good. The ole "human shield" defense was effective when defending atrocities from military munitions but it fails hard when they were using starvation and cutting off water to Gaza as a weapon.
It will be interesting to see how western news media talking heads try to diminish the importance of the ICC warrants. Or there begins a kind of revisionist history and the western press tries to act like America was warning Bibi and was trying to prevent all of this and was on the right side of things when they clearly weren't. We'll see.
It will be interesting to see how western news media talking heads try to diminish the importance of the ICC warrants. Or there begins a kind of revisionist history and the western press tries to act like America was warning Bibi and was trying to prevent all of this and was on the right side of things when they clearly weren't. We'll see.
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But if I understand it correctly, the warrants weren't issued, right? The prosecutor applied for them, but I suppose a judge has to actually approve it?
More social media gloating by IOF militants. This time a soldier posing in front of a burning house with "may your village burn" in her post's caption:
View: https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1792322787178131513
At some point I need to compile Younes' stuff and open a separate thread so more people get to see the degree to which some Israeli publicize their own atrocities.
Thank you!
View: https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1792322787178131513
At some point I need to compile Younes' stuff and open a separate thread so more people get to see the degree to which some Israeli publicize their own atrocities.
Thank you!
Not an expert, but the court usually approves these.
This is not a judgment, it is essentially an indictment by the prosecutor in light of evidence that suggest a high probability that a crime violating international law as defined in the Rome Statue has been comitted. Of course, Israel is no signatory of the Rome Statue (they have withdrawn their signature), so this won't have an immediate affect. The biggest problem for Israel is the loss of reputation, with their PM and defence secretary being charged of war crimes.
Doesn't it make also harder for them to travel to countries that are supporting the ICC ?
That is true, but I imagine the most important country for Netanyahu to travel to is the US, and that too is not a signatory. It is of course a huge embarrassment for Israel that its PM is on the same level as Putin and can't safely visit most Western countries, lest he be arrested. Which is what I was pointing it out, the damage in reputation. The travel part won't mean much to Netanyahu. The actions of his government are already isolating himself from most of the world
I have no real idea, but I am of the opinion that it is up to each member to take advantage of the ICJ ruling. I don't think Netanyahu will see any disadvantage with foreign partners as Netanyahu's cause will always be seen as the cause of Israel and all Jews around the world. It will probably hurt im in Israel for next elections, but the former Bennett–Lapid government showed that it's not moving for peace either or they simply had not enough time.
I was looking up how the U.S. perceives the ICC and I found this gem.
Of course we know the U.S. isn't part of the ICC and but but but... All I know is that this at the very least makes things very awkward as now the U.S. will predictably have to say they don't agree with the decision which will continue the erosion of the importance of international organizations under Biden. If things like this are just arbitrarily rendered bad decisions if they are against U.S. allies then they will never be respected. At that point just throw out the geneva conventions.
U.S. top diplomat Blinken urges all ICC members to comply with Putin arrest warrant
Of course we know the U.S. isn't part of the ICC and but but but... All I know is that this at the very least makes things very awkward as now the U.S. will predictably have to say they don't agree with the decision which will continue the erosion of the importance of international organizations under Biden. If things like this are just arbitrarily rendered bad decisions if they are against U.S. allies then they will never be respected. At that point just throw out the geneva conventions.
I wonder how long it's going to take for someone to scream "ICC is Hamas!" despite them actually also wanting a warrant on Sinwar.
While I don't think it'll amount to much as far as real consequences outside of travel limits the reputational damage would be undeniable and I'm eager to see the reaction from the US, Germany etc.
While I don't think it'll amount to much as far as real consequences outside of travel limits the reputational damage would be undeniable and I'm eager to see the reaction from the US, Germany etc.
The thing about a warrant on Sinwar is that facing charges in the ICC is clearly more humane than whatever Israel would do to him. So by trying to reinstate any semblance of due process to a pandemonium, the ICC is likely to anger Israel because there is a warrant, more than they'd be angered if there was not, even if they'd never say it.
Another hit piece from the racist, hypocritical, genocide-laundering, and euro-supremacist German media. This time, they report on reactions to the "humanitarian pier" and their journo complains about Gazans not being thankful enough about getting canned food from the countries providing the bombs used to destroy their entire lives:
Translation of her lovely conversation with a journalist that sees through her bullshit, pointing out that she's cherrypicking quotes to paint Palestinians as ungrateful and whiny:
Translation of her lovely conversation with a journalist that sees through her bullshit, pointing out that she's cherrypicking quotes to paint Palestinians as ungrateful and whiny:
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Almost like going well into the full campaign of this year's US Presidential election...
Definitely. Even so it wouldn't make any logical sense to spout the usual "everyone is Hamas" bullshit, not that it going stop anyone.
Can we not? You can make your point without going into vitriol that just makes the thread come off unhinged. And trust me, I know how bad German media is on this subject, I just don't need you all to start delving into inflammatory language that serves noone.
Well Biden has said the ICC warrant request on Netanyahu is "outrageous", and says there's no "equivalence" between Hamas and Israel, despite the warrants being for different crimes, insinuating that they aren't the same anyway.
Oh fuck off Blinken. Netanyahu doesn't give a fuck about hostages.
Does anyone even care what this terrorist has to say anymore? For a while now all I'm hearing coming out of his mouth are bla bla with some shit and vomit in between. So sick of this genocide apologist.
Thankfully the ICC is doing something right. Ignore this dumbass.
This fucking guy. "Israel was going to cooperate!" The world ain't buying Biden's slow walk stall bullshit. This is just as much America's atrocity as it is Israel's there will be a reckoning eventually because you can't perpetually support a country even after their leadership is goes off the rails insane. We have mountains of reports on Netanyahu's intent and the division and strife it's causing in Israel and America is still trodding out the "right to defend themselves" bullshit. THEY ARE STARVING A PEOPLE!"
I had hoped Biden would have at least become pragmatic on this issue but that day has long past. This is true believer shit. Like when Bush said God told him to go into Iraq. It's illogical when opponents in the Israeli gov't are more critical than the U.S. because it paints the picture that Biden is on the side of Israel's extreme right wing government and on the side of the GoP.
Ok I guess, observation noted.
Short version: "This kangaroo court dared not allow our ally to use their own kangaroo courts to investigate their state-endorsed terrorists whose weapons we're supplying"
Also hilarious how he brings up the hostage deal when his buddies already tanked it and refuse to go back to the negotiation table.
What a piece of shit!
Hopefully this will also involve the Biden administration in some way or other.
This is just such tremendous horseshit of the highest order
I hate this guy so much. I hope the ICC doesn't cave to any US pressure and continues pursuing this. Somehow justice needs served, as much as it's worth at this point.
What exactly would it take for the world to open up their eyes to the crimes of Israel?
If killing and starving children doesn't do it, what will?
The defence for Israel is so fucking bizarre. I just cannot fathom it.
I don't know If it's urban legend or not but apparently the US will invade Netherlands If something like that ever going to happen.
I hope ICC doesn't cave and proceeds to do what they should.
Here's the nail in the coffin, imo: they specifically DID allow it, and issued repeated warnings to fix this before they stepped in.
In other words, they could have and should have (according to the ICC) used a kangaroo court, because the ICC would have to defer to them. They would've evaded international trials regardless of how internal trials played out (or ultimately didn't).
But by repeatedly spitting in the eye of every judiciary everywhere, they've undermined an argument that would have 100% worked in any previous case of Israeli violations of international law.
No US pier aid to UN in Gaza for two days after truck incident
Its like shrodingers pathway to a Palestinian state. This plan only exists when you observe someone saying it in statements. Whatever price Biden would have to pay, I wonder if either republicans or dems would approve of it going forward.
And yeah, the Haaretz in english / Haaretz in hebrew memes highlight this exact phenomenon. Just vile and unhinged stuff.
These kinds of posts are all over IG and TikTok. Theyre so brazen. I appreciate them for their contribution to South Africa's genocide case and making their work a bit easier to do.
This is probably why Hamas leadership has been pushing for the ICC to get involved and independent, international investigations earlier.
Another hit piece from the racist, hypocritical, genocide-laundering, and euro-supremacist German media. This time, they report on reactions to the "humanitarian pier" and their journo complains about Gazans not being thankful enough about getting canned food from the countries providing the bombs used to destroy their entire lives:
Translation of her lovely conversation with a journalist that sees through her bullshit, pointing out that she's cherrypicking quotes to paint Palestinians as ungrateful and whiny:
Imagine how low you have to be to do something like this.
There's always a secret proposal or plan in the background and they always get jeopardized anytime Israel faces any accountability. Gosh, they were so close this time too!!!
I am so done with the gaslighting from this administration.
Compilation of statements by leaders/foreign ministries on the ICC proposal:
View: https://x.com/Alonso_GD/status/1792554249924042865
Respectful/supportive: Belgium, Switzerland, Spain, France, Maldives, Slovenia, South Africa, Ireland, Chile
Respectful but complains about "false equivalence" (because Palestinian lives are clearly worth less to these ghouls): Germany, Austria
Against: Czech Republic, Israel, US, Hungary, UK
View: https://x.com/Alonso_GD/status/1792554249924042865
Respectful/supportive: Belgium, Switzerland, Spain, France, Maldives, Slovenia, South Africa, Ireland, Chile
Respectful but complains about "false equivalence" (because Palestinian lives are clearly worth less to these ghouls): Germany, Austria
Against: Czech Republic, Israel, US, Hungary, UK
He's being given an out here. The strongest since the war started.
He's choosing to be a genocide denier, against overwhelming evidence and (at this point) open acknowledgement of all the lies they continue to spread.
I'm done defending him, he has 100% earned whatever happens (and unfortunately everyone else will deal with the consequences).
Trash, is all I can say.
Good thing the ICC made no equivalence, they had two separate sections with separate charges.
Just have to out organize and call the congress critters. Doesn't mean they won't side with AIPAC, but we have some agency to counter it (www.5calls.org is my go-to for contact info)
Weakening/countering AIPAC's influence is a worthy goal in of itself, because they're generally pretty terrible on issues and a large part of why Israel gets a carte blanche to do whatever, in spite of international law or norms we apply to other countries.
I wonder what it would take for him to change his tone. Supernatural intervention?
Netanyahu himself could go on record calling it a genocide and the American establishment would still defend him.
i legitimately wonder if kamala would be ANY better on this front
Genocide Joe still going at it, huh? As some people said, he had the perfect opportunity to distance himself from Netanyahu the butcher, yet he chooses to double down on supporting him and now explicitly denies the very genocide his weapon shipments are fueling. I pray justice catches up with both of them in due time and that they pay for all the lives they have extinguished in the last 8 months.
Biden & the admin beyond just defending Israel to specifically defending Benjamin Netanyahu is unreal. A week after the administration certified that Israel is following international law the ICC charges that Netanyahu is breaking it, so whoops, gotta defend Netanyahu I guess.
The whole administration is just rudderless, guided by little other than a need to justify continuing to arm Israel no matter what.
I wish there was more us peons could do. I'll keep calling my representatives but I think their staffers get the fucking point by now.
Naftali Bennett was the head of a religious zionist party who entered a coalition with the left-of-center because they hated Netanyahu. The coalition used the support of the Islamist party but not the secular Arab party, and the support agreement did not include peace with Palestine. Bennett's party (Yamina) collapsed in the subsequent election, with support mostly going to Likud and the Religious Zionist party. I do not think it is plausible to read an anti-Netanyahu coalition as proponents for peace.
The US is too entrenched in their quagmire with Isreal. Time has proven time and time again that it doesn't matter who the president is.