I think this is an unserious opinion. The center-left is not the hard left, of course it will rally behind the national army during a war that came about after the largest terrorist event in the history of the country?
What is the difference between an ethno-state and a nation-state? What makes Israel an ethno-state rather than a nation-state?
Right-wing Zionism, Israeli Right-wing, Expansionist Zionism, Settlers, Kahanists.
Although non-Jewish people living in Israel are not de jure second-class citizens, every time I have ever discussed the possibility of Palestinian integration under a one-state solution the primary objection I've been told, over and over again from both Israelis and outsiders, is that doing so would make Israel no longer a Jewish majority population. Not that the Palestinians would do anything specifically harmful, but that in practice a Jewish majority must be preserved. IMO that makes the ethno-state label appropriate, and if anyone tries to "gotcha" this distinction by saying that other nations with majority populations of one ethnicity or another also try to manage their population balance, well I think they're wrong too, especially as more and more refugees are displaced.
I mean, I'm sorry but point remains. Essentially it means there is only 10% of the population who does not support the violent slaughter of Palestinian. A support of IDF, regardless of intentions and considering the history of the IDF prior to october 7, does not paint to me a support for a peaceful solution
I caught that edit... all the Jewish people and their allies in power in the world right now, huh 😒 Literally proved this thread's point.
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Yes, Palestinian folks are the ethnic jewish people you speak of if you are talking about the historical people. When we talk Arabs, that can be people that just adopted the culture. Most of the people you see in palestine are Canaanites which israelites spun off of anyways.
An ethnostate has the explicit goal of maintaining a certain demographic makeup of its populace. In this case, ensuring that people of Jewish ethnicity remain a demographic majority. An ethnostate is still a nation-state as well, but not all nation-states are ethnostates.
Yes. Zionism is, to many but not all Jewish people, essentially the national movement component of their Jewish identity, that signify their national relationship to the land of Israel and Zion. Using "Zionist" without qualification, basically bundles all Jewish people who care about their national identify or their connection to the land of Israel with the most extremists of people who hold this ideology.
I do not make up my definitions, I'm explaining the inside politics of Israel, where 35% of people will generally support long-term peace and agree to land and other concessions, but will still support violence or other problematic policies "temporarily" if they believe it will grant security. Just like most of the center-left in any country will maybe support some measures to reduce police violence but will generally not support "defunding" the police, and will even support the police in many circumstances, despite identifying themselves as "center-left".
See this is an example of what I said here:
It's downplayed, brushed away or excused, not seen as a big deal.
It is not "globalist conspiracy mongering" to accurately assess that, at the moment, the people most invested in the "Right wing, expansionist Zionist project" are either Jewish or consider themselves "Allies of the Jewish people" in a way that conflates Jewishness with right-wing expansionist Zionism,. I edited my language for clarity and specificity, but I am not alleging some vast, rich conspiracy of puppet masters, and frankly if your insinuation is that all Jews are Zionists (no qualifications) or that Zionism, expansionist or otherwise, cannot be criticized because it amounts to an attack on all Jews worldwide then I don't think we're having this conversation in good faith.
Yeah, sounds like the usual "every critic of Israel is actually antisemitism".
Exactly. Joe Biden himself called himself a Zionist. Equating Zionism with Judaism is completely insane.
This as well. There are more Christian Zionists then Jewish.
No really I'm sure there's another term we could use besides the present and historical one that advocates for the state of Israel have and continue to use to describe themselves and their cause of the establishment and defense of a religio-ethnic apartheid state
Britain and the US (two notoriously anti semetic nations, the former had jews living in purgatory for CENTURIES ) established that settler ethno state. Anybody regardless of intentions trying to mark that as a jewish thing needs to be real.
Anti-zionism is not antisemitism, but it has become noticeably more common over the past year to use "zionist" as an antisemitic dog-whistle, a stand-in for "jews." Same as (((globalists))) and shit like that was for most of the past decade. Noticed it both online and IRL. And yes, that co-exists with Israel's propaganda bullshit labeling any criticism of Israel or Zionism as antisemitic (which is bullshit).
You don't need a term, criticise Israel and their actions directly, criticise the people who support those actions directly. The concern is not inherently the meaning of the term (I'm not saying being anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic) but that it's been used and increasingly so as a dog whist. And the concern about that is being brushed away by people that would not tolerate other dog whistles.
I never said that didn't happen, what are you talking about
For real people here are trying their hardest to ignore 75+ years of history.
That's a good way of putting it and also somewhat where I'm at as well, at the very least for what Zionism stands for today.
