How would Tekken 8 look if it used Unreal Engine 5's Lumen?

[Dreamboum]

Tekken 8 uses SSGI alongside SSR for its presentation, but what if it used Lumen for GI and Reflections instead? Turns out TekkenOverlay allows you to change it

Keep in mind, it disables the baked-in lighting with Lumen forced

SSGI/SSR:

And here's the Lumen version:

And a link to directly compare the two: https://imgsli.com/MjkyMjg1


Here's the dojo with default settings:

Lumen:

Default:

Lumen:

Default:

Lumen:

Disabling character lighting also leads to cool results, not cool for lighting but for cool for atmosphere!

Lumen looks quite nice but you'd need something to replace the baked lighting with like the Paris stages street lights. Not just a case of turning it off and on. Overall looks quite nice especially for the evening NY stage

 

[PlanetSmasher]

I'm gonna be honest, I genuinely cannot see any substantial difference in the first two shots or the Paris shots, and the underworld gate stage looks better without Lumen. It doesn't seem like a particularly huge upgrade.

 

[Rolento]

Cool concept but wouldn't be great competitively

 

[Barrel Cannon]

I find Lumen isn't always an automatic upgrade. Fortnite is still one of the best uses of it and I chalk it up to the types of materials and light sources being used

 

[The Omega Man]

Doesn't work for fighting games where the character needs to be illuminated all the time. It was an artistic decision.

 

[Orayn]

Lumen is cool but I think fighting games are a special case where readability overrides possible graphic upgrades and realism.

 

[HiLife]

I've seen people using the mod and some stages look insane.

Like the red light version of the Iron Fist arena.


View: https://youtu.be/nEbZ0o4Ni5U?si=kMSY3WCwGgRA0wG8

But yeah it's hard to see a lot of the time.

Personally I'd still like the option to toggle tho.

 

[ElFly]

strong corporate wants you to find the difference energy in some of these shots

 

[Ravelle]

Eh, you go "oh wow this looks good" for the first 10 seconds and don't notice it anymore during fights it or turn it off to improve performance.

 

[L Thammy]

The only screenshots where I appreciate the difference are the ones where I don't like it.

 

[Squarealex]

I'm still more mad that we have no Motion Blur on consoles instead on PC...

 

[joeblow]

Lumen turned on in Tekken 8 makes as much sense as injecting the UEVR mod into the game to play it in first person view.

 

[MimosaSTG]

The game's lighting system is not built for Lumen.

I've got way better examples of the tech in previous threads showcasing Lumen in Tekken 8, but it is not set up for actual gameplay.

You have to use UUU5 to add light sources to the scene to make them at least look decent. The game just isn't designed for it. Enabling it will destroy visibility.

If the dev team takes the time to make lighting appropriate for lumen, then it would end up looking decent. Basically there is no reason to turn it on other than for taking screenshots. And even if they designed lighting around Lumen... like maybe 0.5% of the Tekken 8 audience would even be able to play it 60FPS. The juice is not worth the squeeze.

At the moment, It's only just something for tinkerers and photographers to play around with.

LUMEN OFF

LUMEN ON + Additional Spot Lights from UUU5

Really the only thing I hate about the game visually is that everyone glows, but that can be disabled. With the hero lighting off, characters are able to have proper AO.

 

[G-X]

global illumination isnt something you can really on/off when a game wasn't designed around it

there is a whole lot of design decisions that go into lighting in general, even without GI, but then when you introduce GI you can still used baked lighting, mix software GI with hardware/RT GI..really there are a lot of different approaches that you design with that in mind

 

[oofouchugh]

Looks cool but also is absolutely horrible for gameplay. Fighting games 100% benefit from hand tuned visibility.

 

[Steamy Manatee]

the problem with raytracing and realistic lighting is that it does not serve the same purpose for all kinds of games, as seen here. Ideally players should see their characters perfectly at all times. Is it fancy? Sure. Is it needed? No.

 

[Firefly]

Lumen is cool but I think fighting games are a special case where readability overrides possible graphic upgrades and realism.

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It can always be tweaked to look great from a playability perspective if the game was designed with it in mind from the onset.

 

[G-X]

It can always be tweaked to look great from a playability perspective if the game was designed with it in mind from the onset.

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that, and also there just isnt enough info...lumen was enabled and some other tweaks

was the GI source properly adjusted aka sun positioning? was the exponential height fog properly added and adjusted? post processing volume adjusted?
its not as simple as a checkbox - i mean yes you literally can drop lumen into the scene and change GI to lumen, but unless you change your entire project setup to account for it, then your likely going to get much worse image quality.

not to mention the core benefit of using a GI solution like this is for the asset production / art design pipeline because you have a lot more freedom, but it is a double edged sword..if done correctly you greatly improve asset generation / art team production and in most cases will also get the extra benefit of better image quality that comes GI, like more realistic lighting / shadows and reflections - lumen getting better at the latter 2 of these in each build.

if you aren't properly designing around it, it will look considerably worse and because even software GI like lumen is more intensive on draw calls then baked lighting, will impact your final render with worse on screen image.

tl:dl - its like anything else, if used correctly and designed around it is a huge benefit to developers and end users, if not then stick with baked lighting..same for nanite and just dropping in 10k 20gb assets at 0 lod that the user never sees from closer then billboard distance

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

I've seen people using the mod and some stages look insane.

Like the red light version of the Iron Fist arena.


View: https://youtu.be/nEbZ0o4Ni5U?si=kMSY3WCwGgRA0wG8

But yeah it's hard to see a lot of the time.

Personally I'd still like the option to toggle tho.

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This looks really cool.

From looking at lighting mods through the years and the stuff on this page bringing back memories, I've always wanted this kind of stuff in single player modes, ONLY single player. Character readability is priority 1 in VS play, obviously. But it would be fun to get some/more of this stylized lighting in the SP modes where you are just dicking around. Different lighting on the same stage at different times of the day is neat to me, I would like to just play arcade mode with lighting like from this video sometimes.

 

[VariantX]

This looks like something I'd never personally use I just can't stand when characters don't pop and feel separate from the background in a fighting game.

 

[JahIthBer]

it's a shame it didn't have Lumen, but they would have had to compromise with like 720p base resolution if it did since it needs to run a solid 60fps.

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Love these shots even if they are not good for gameplay. Looks very cinematic.

 

[Cordy]

It would be cool for photo mode but in an actual match I'd be mad as shit lol.

 

[Vourlis]

They'd have to relight / redesign almost every scenario to make sure it's playable lol

 

[Bony Manifesto]

Looks like it's basically disabling a bunch of light sources (presumably static ones that are incompatible with Lumen).

 

[NativeTongue]

every "this game but with new lighting" thread always looks worse to me. No one who does these every takes a holistic approach to why the lighting was chosen for each individual game.

 

[Pyro]

It would look terrible because I wouldn't be able to tell what my opponent was doing.

 

[Scrappy-Fan92]

While readability would be an issue at times, some of the screenshots do look quite atmospheric.