Squid Bunny

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By its definition, jumping the shark shouldn't possibly be done more than once. It's a turning point, one you can't get back from.

And then Grey's Anatomy came and weaponized the shark jump.

It's amazing how many times certain moments of the show would be ridiculous shark jumps anywhere else. Even ER, the previous king of the jump, gets completely steamrolled by GA when it comes to just being absurd and somehow retaining a huge fanbase that carries on no matter what.

I would say the first true shark jump of the show was season 5's ghost sex plotline. It was weird, came out of nowhere, people were already tired of Katherine Heigl at that point and not even giving Jeffrey Dean Morgan more screen time helped. However, the rest of season 5 was pretty solid and kept things going.

Then season 6 has a mass shooting. Again, a shark jump on another show, but the two episodes are actually pretty good and dramatic. It gets a pass (also it was pretty much used to kill off some secondary characters they introduced earlier on).

Season 7 DOESN'T have a shark jump. Instead, it has a painfully boring season finale that results in the writers making the biggest jump of them all in season 8.

THE PLANE CRASH

Ooooh boy, this one still stings. Their plane crashes and instead of just killing off some filler, they killed off two beloved characters. The next season basically has the doctors becoming superheroes and saving the hospital from a terrible private company. And after that, the writers basically made sure to have a huge cataclysmic event at the end of every season.

Season 9? A flood with electrocution in the mix.

Season 10? MEREDITH HAS A LONG LOST SISTER.

Season 11? McDreamy.

Season 12? The whole bizarre custody battle + Wilmer Valderrama is in the show now?

Season 13? The hospital blows up for the second time in the show's history.

Season 14? Teddy is back and she's pregnant with someone's baby!

Season 15? Well, we can only guess.

And I'm leaving out the smaller sharks they jumped, such as the impossibility of anyone being happily married, April getting back together with the guy she left in the altar after having a kid with the guy she left him for, while at the same time being part of the medical team that couldn't save his new wife. Weird.

So what's GA's secret? Has it weaponized shark jumps into a profitable narrative device? Has it arrived at General Hospital levels of crazy? Will I ever cease to hatewatch it?
 

arts&crafts

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I am not exactly sure what Jumping the shark means in this case and I dont watch Greys Anatomy because it looks like what you described, but I will say One Tree Hill.

That season where the villain Dad (about 50 years old) goes into a school shooting to kill his brother (about 50 years old) because his brother started dating his High school girlfriend from 30 years prior.
 

Tfritz

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Season 2 had the train crash, season 3 had The Bomb Episode and the episode where Meredith is literally dead for 12 hours
 

Jiraiya

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The ghost plotline was because she was sick. Say what? She was hallucinating because of it. Was my favorite show for 8 seasons. The sharks were always great to look forward to.
 

kurahador

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Sliders season 3-5 were just urghhhhh.
Fringe final season jumped the shark too IMO. Such disappointing direction.
There's also How I Met Your Mother final season.
 

Ushojax

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Dexter. Fuck Dexter and everyone behind the scenes lol.

I'm so glad I stopped watching Dexter at the end of Season 4, after the last episode I felt like the story was over and there was no way to carry on without it becoming an absurd parody of itself. That they managed to stretch it for another 4 seasons blows my mind.
 

Shroki

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Simpsons has to be up there.

Simpsons is an example of a show that went from good to bad, but doesn't fit the jumping the shark criticism.

Jumping the shark is doing something ridiculous, like building an episode around the Fonz jumping over a shark while watersking, in an attempt to pull viewers thereby making the show absurd and awful in a new way. Simply failing to write good episodes after many seasons isn't jumping the shark.
 

CloudWolf

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Can book series jump the shark? Because my god did the Dexter books jump the shark even harder than the show.

Some highlights:

- Doakes doesn't die, he gets turned into a bionic man
- Rita's kids (Astor and Cody) turn out to be serial killers themselves
- Dexter has a sixth sense that allows him to instantly recognize killers
- The reason he has that sixth sense is because his "Dark Passenger" is literally a Godlike entity that has been around since the dinosaurs.
- There's a 'coven' of cannibals and I believe that at some point actual vampires show up

And I didn't read any more beyond that point, but I don't doubt it got even more insane.

EDIT:

Yep, read a quick summary of one of the books following that and one of them actually has a plotline where Astor gets molested by a tv director. Fuck Dexter.
 
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Ashhong

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I always thought jumping the shark referred to a time when a show would change drastically and become something else. Apparently it's just a plotline that garners attention/publicity? The show has always had some kind of medical emergency that takes up 2-3 episodes at a time, so I don't think any of those were turning points. I always looked forward to their yearly hijinks.
 

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I'm so glad I stopped watching Dexter at the end of Season 4, after the last episode I felt like the story was over and there was no way to carry on without it becoming an absurd parody of itself. That they managed to stretch it for another 4 seasons blows my mind.
You're one of the lucky ones. After season 4 I don't know why I returned every year, expecting the writers to respect my time. 48hrs of my life I will never get back lol.
 
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Fairly Oddparents for adding a baby, a dog, and a completely new godchild once it realized it was declining.

Also, does Scrappy Doo count?
 

AztecComplex

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By its definition, jumping the shark shouldn't possibly be done more than once. It's a turning point, one you can't get back from.

And then Grey's Anatomy came and weaponized the shark jump.

It's amazing how many times certain moments of the show would be ridiculous shark jumps anywhere else. Even ER, the previous king of the jump, gets completely steamrolled by GA when it comes to just being absurd and somehow retaining a huge fanbase that carries on no matter what.

I would say the first true shark jump of the show was season 5's ghost sex plotline. It was weird, came out of nowhere, people were already tired of Katherine Heigl at that point and not even giving Jeffrey Dean Morgan more screen time helped. However, the rest of season 5 was pretty solid and kept things going.

Then season 6 has a mass shooting. Again, a shark jump on another show, but the two episodes are actually pretty good and dramatic. It gets a pass (also it was pretty much used to kill off some secondary characters they introduced earlier on).

Season 7 DOESN'T have a shark jump. Instead, it has a painfully boring season finale that results in the writers making the biggest jump of them all in season 8.

THE PLANE CRASH

Ooooh boy, this one still stings. Their plane crashes and instead of just killing off some filler, they killed off two beloved characters. The next season basically has the doctors becoming superheroes and saving the hospital from a terrible private company. And after that, the writers basically made sure to have a huge cataclysmic event at the end of every season.

Season 9? A flood with electrocution in the mix.

Season 10? MEREDITH HAS A LONG LOST SISTER.

Season 11? McDreamy.

Season 12? The whole bizarre custody battle + Wilmer Valderrama is in the show now?

Season 13? The hospital blows up for the second time in the show's history.

Season 14? Teddy is back and she's pregnant with someone's baby!

Season 15? Well, we can only guess.

And I'm leaving out the smaller sharks they jumped, such as the impossibility of anyone being happily married, April getting back together with the guy she left in the altar after having a kid with the guy she left him for, while at the same time being part of the medical team that couldn't save his new wife. Weird.

So what's GA's secret? Has it weaponized shark jumps into a profitable narrative device? Has it arrived at General Hospital levels of crazy? Will I ever cease to hatewatch it?
I stopped watching when the season after Jeffrey Dean Morgan's character died. I genuinely liked his ark with Heigel, and I was moved when he died. So when the next season rolled in and it was back to everyone having sex with everyone I was done. And by the looks of it I bailed at the right moment.
 

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I enjoyed Grey's Anatomy when it first came out. Then came the Ferry crash and in particular Izzy drilling holes in a guy's head on a collapsing bridge. Haven't watched since.
 

Magilla

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Maybe Weeds? Or maybe it just got really shitty. She went from selling some weed to marrying a drug kinpin and everything else. Jesus that show went to shit.
 

LFMartins86

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Jumping the shark is when a TV show does something far fetched. A character having hallucinations or a mass shooting aren't far fetched.
 

Tfritz

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Jumping the shark is when a TV show does something far fetched. A character having hallucinations or a mass shooting aren't far fetched.

Izzy was having Ghost Sex for several episodes before it was revealed those were hallucinations brought on by brain cancer and she was in reality just loudly masturbating everywhere
 

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My favorite example of this is Friday Night Lights. Such a good first season, and then they had the main characters just straight kill a guy in the next season. It jumped the shark so hard, they almost cancelled the whole series.

Fortunately, it jumped back and wisely just pretended the second season never happened. Rare to see a show recover like that.
 

BWoog

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Definitely Weeds.

The show just started abandoning characters between seasons without any explanation.
 

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No, I don't think so.
Grey's Anatomy had so much potential, when it started it was a pretty solid network show with interesting characters. Although very different, it was probably my favourite show along with House at the time. The show then deteriorated into soap opera territory and now it's basically a soap opera where everyone slept with everyone and characters occasionally get killed off and new ones appear and most of the original cast are gone and we're onto season 37. Not to mention the ludicrous plotlines.

Every time I check the TV cancellation thread I am baffled that this show is still going strong. Say what you will about Dexter, Lost, Heroes and Fringe, but these shows to different degrees were inherently crazy and supernatural and didn't last that long. GA is supposed to be a medical drama, not unlike House!
 
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Maybe Weeds? Or maybe it just got really shitty. She went from selling some weed to marrying a drug kinpin and everything else. Jesus that show went to shit.

After the first three seasons Weeds basically became an anthology show before that was trendy. It rebooted itself with a new cast, setting, and premise at least every season, sometimes more than once in a season.
 

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Maybe Weeds? Or maybe it just got really shitty. She went from selling some weed to marrying a drug kinpin and everything else. Jesus that show went to shit.
Definitely Weeds.

The show just started abandoning characters between seasons without any explanation.
Yeah, the shark jumping moment is when they hit the road and left the suburbs. I'm kind of upset with myself that I bothered to continue. It did have a decent final season but the season 3 finale led to seasons 4, 5, 6, and 7 largely being awful.
 

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Family Matters. The shear lunacy that overtook that show is perfectly encapsulated by this Key & Peele sketch:

 

pokeystaples

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Shameless is the king of upping the ante of ridiculousness each season, but that's kind of the point.

Damn I love Greys. Fuck!
 

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Simpsons is an example of a show that went from good to bad, but doesn't fit the jumping the shark criticism.

Jumping the shark is doing something ridiculous, like building an episode around the Fonz jumping over a shark while watersking, in an attempt to pull viewers thereby making the show absurd and awful in a new way. Simply failing to write good episodes after many seasons isn't jumping the shark.

A lot of people consider The Principle and the Pauper as the Simpson's jumping the shark moment.
 

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The show 9-1-1 does it multiple times every episode. A few episodes they had a scene that literally involved a shark being carried down the highway on the front of a firetruck.


I'd probably also nominate Riverdale, because it's crazy.
 

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Family Matters is top with the final season of Felicity having time travel a close second.

Grey's Anatomy is just daytime soap opera tv at night. They're not jumping the shark until they start dancing with scifi.
 

ibyea

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24 season 6 when
they revealed Jack Bauer's brother was the evil mastermind behind season 5. Then Jack tortured him in a ridiculous scene where Jack also tried to show he cared for him, meanwhile totally ignoring the PTSD plotline of the first 4 episodes.
From then on the season proceeds to have multiple, hilarious jump the shark moment.
 

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The Office when
Pam and Jim start dating.
Okay, you wrapped up the shows strongest plot. What now? Not to mention the characters were already fully Flanderized at this point.
 

kurahador

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24 season 6 when
they revealed Jack Bauer's brother was the evil mastermind behind season 5. Then Jack tortured him in a ridiculous scene where Jack also tried to show he cared for him, meanwhile totally ignoring the PTSD plotline of the first 4 episodes.
From then on the season proceeds to have multiple, hilarious jump the shark moment.
This hurts. S5 ending was amazing so I was hyped as fuck for S6 that I even bought the first 4 episodes DVD they released, and man those episodes were good. Then the rest of the season fell off a cliff.
 

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Grey's Anatomy is just daytime soap opera tv at night. They're not jumping the shark until they start dancing with scifi.

Agree!

I didn't see it for a few years but have seen the last couple of season and it is still decent.

It needs shark moments to refresh the cast and keep things going. The current main cast is still really good imo. Meredith, Karev, Bailey and Richard are all from the first season so it isn't like E.R. where they cycled through the whole cast and it was about the hospital. The show is still about Meredith.
 
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Jumping the shark is when a TV show does something far fetched. A character having hallucinations or a mass shooting aren't far fetched.
Well, the ghost sex was already explained. But if you take all the shit that happened in the show, look at how surreal Meredith Grey's life becomes:

- Held a bomb inside a patient's body.
- Almost drowned to death.
- Was in a mass shooting situation where her husband got shot in the chest.
- Was in a plane crash that killed her half-sister.
- Lost one of her friends in a bus crash.
- Is widowed thanks to a different incident than the mass shooting.
- Has a long lost half-sister.

I mean, after a while it takes its toll.
Killing off someone by dropping a helicopter on them will never be surpassed.