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FLCL

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Is there matchmaking in the game like in Dragon Ball Fighterz? Or are you forced to run around in lobbies trying to find an open match?
Sitting here trying to decide if I should pull the trigger and buy or not, not sure I can take another game where I'm forced to run around in a lobby searching for an open spot.
 
A Strong Latte

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FLCL said:
Is there matchmaking in the game like in Dragon Ball Fighterz? Or are you forced to run around in lobbies trying to find an open match?
Sitting here trying to decide if I should pull the trigger and buy or not, not sure I can take another game where I'm forced to run around in a lobby searching for an open spot.
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If you search from training mode (quick match) it basically matchmakers you.
 
mojo

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The Turbanator said:
IMO Faust is kinda slept on. He seems to need more work than a lot of characters but his results can definitely be frightening.

Also I hate this dumb sugarcoating shit with tier lists these days, why is every tier S? Just say tiers S-C and say they're all close.
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I miss when tier lists actually gave you information that wasn't just a letter next to a picture of a character.
 
Uncivilized Elk

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The Turbanator said:
Also I hate this dumb sugarcoating shit with tier lists these days, why is every tier S? Just say tiers S-C and say they're all close.
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What...? That isn't something new. It's literally saying they're close yet distinct without needing that extra unnecessary paragraph that people would ignore anyway. It's all arbitrary anyway, you may as well complain about how it should stop at "A" cause having an "S" is silly. Really don't see how this is supposed to be "sugarcoating."
 
yagal

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Fuuuuuuuuuuu
the 8th floor is full of Ramlethal 😥
All I want to do is fuujin 😭
 
KingM

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Uncivilized Elk said:
What...? That isn't something new. It's literally saying they're close yet distinct without needing that extra unnecessary paragraph that people would ignore anyway. It's all arbitrary anyway, you may as well complain about how it should stop at "A" cause having an "S" is silly. Really don't see how this is supposed to be "sugarcoating."
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For many older games the tier list is based on matchups. For example let's say Chun in 3rd Strike beats or has a favorable matchup vs 90% of the cast while Sean loses to nearly everyone. Chun would be in S and Sean would be in F. If you followed the same thing for a game like say Strive you would look at matchup spread and eventually someone, say Sol, might have a ton of favorable matchups and be S or Awhile someone else, like Potemkin, would have many unfavorable ones falling into something like D with everyone else falling in between.
The other thing is S used to just be reserved for characters who were basically either required to play to win like the S tier characters in Mvc2 or just broke and the game like Akuma in Super Turbo. So tossing nearly everyone into S and A is a bit weird to people who have played the genre for awhile and associate S with legitimately busted characters rather than just very good.
 
Bizazedo

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Yeah, virtually everyone being S makes that list kind of terrible. Chipp is also too low on it.

That and, yeah, we need the old grids to comeback with match up listings (see above).
 
Kaguya

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Those meta data charts are always bad for making tier lists though, like this one putting the strongest version of Johnny Xrd ever got on bar with Axl, May and Bedman. Also in that same "mid tier" group you have Raven, Elphelt and Jack-o even a tier lower, those are all characters everyone agree were way too strong in this version and were nerffed in Rev 2 update! Where even after the nerf, Elphelt and Johnny remained top 2, that's how good they were in this version!
 
The Turbanator

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fr0st said:
PC lobbies exploded
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Crossplay coming sooner than we all thought lol

Kaguya said:
Those meta data charts are always bad for making tier lists though, like this one putting the strongest version of Johnny Xrd ever got on bar with Axl, May and Bedman. Also in that same "mid tier" group you have Raven, Elphelt and Jack-o even a tier lower, those are all characters everyone agree were way too strong in this version and were nerffed in Rev 2 update! Where even after the nerf, Elphelt and Johnny remained top 2, that's how good they were in this version!
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I just looked up "guilty gear matchup chart" and shared the first result as an example, I didn't pay much attention to the contents. I don't know much about Xrd competitively so I can't speak much to that.
 
snausages

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Really wish the 'communicating with server' stuff would only start when you click on network. Now that the lobbies are down I just turned wifi off to get past that stupid thing and it loads so fast.

It's a really really annoying issue.
 
Ferrio

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Kaguya said:
Those meta data charts are always bad for making tier lists though, like this one putting the strongest version of Johnny Xrd ever got on bar with Axl, May and Bedman. Also in that same "mid tier" group you have Raven, Elphelt and Jack-o even a tier lower, those are all characters everyone agree were way too strong in this version and were nerffed in Rev 2 update! Where even after the nerf, Elphelt and Johnny remained top 2, that's how good they were in this version!
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?? This is how real tier lists are suppose to be made.
 
Kaguya

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The Turbanator said:
I just looked up "guilty gear matchup chart" and shared the first result as an example, I didn't pay much attention to the contents. I don't know much about Xrd competitively so I can't speak much to that.
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It's the same in SFV monthly meta data tiers charts though if you played that, character difficulty, popularity and environment(like online play favoring some characters or character lacking high level representation in some region) will always dilute meta data.
 
Bizazedo

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Kaguya said:
It's the same in SFV monthly meta data tiers charts though if you played that, character difficulty, popularity and environment(like online play favoring some characters or character lacking high level representation in some region) will always dilute meta data.
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Are you arguing that data driven grids like that are worse than shoving everyone except two people into S tier?
 
Kaguya

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Bizazedo said:
Are you arguing that data driven grids like that are worse than shoving everyone except two people into S tier?
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S, SS, SSS tiers are silly, the middle group will always be mid tier regardless of its list name, those on top of it are high, lower are low tier and so on. They can name the middle group in that list "not mid tier" and it would still be the mid tier bracket lol.

Also, the Xrd list based on meta data has Xrd Rev 1 Johnny and Raven as mid tier(ask anyone who played Xrd Rev 1 about how wrong that is), that's really not any better than one player's tier list that shouldn't be regarded as anything more than one player's opinion.
 
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Rutger

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Bizazedo said:
Are you arguing that data driven grids like that are worse than shoving everyone except two people into S tier?
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Who cares what a tier is named? We all know what it means when characters are in a tier below another no matter if those tiers are A and B or S+ and S-.

And yes, any Xrd tier list that puts Johnny mid tier is not accurate. While I do think there's far more value in discussions of individual matchups over just throwing characters into tiers, however that one was made has some flaws in it.
 
kiaaa

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Bizazedo said:
Are you arguing that data driven grids like that are worse than shoving everyone except two people into S tier?
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I wouldn't exactly call that data driven. It's a matchup chart (which is fairly subjective on its own, there are people arguing in those comments) extrapolated into a tier list. I also have trouble believing there are no matchups worse than 6-4, but I only ever played base XRD, so I could be wrong on that one.
 
yagal

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Strive game because a cat and mouse game when I play Anji
I really don't know how to catch people
 
Zissou

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Uncivilized Elk said:
What...? That isn't something new. It's literally saying they're close yet distinct without needing that extra unnecessary paragraph that people would ignore anyway. It's all arbitrary anyway, you may as well complain about how it should stop at "A" cause having an "S" is silly. Really don't see how this is supposed to be "sugarcoating."
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The different letters are supposed to mean something. There's probably no single definition that would please everybody, but here's my attempt:
  • S: characters who are so good the meta warps around them. Think ST Sagat or Claw, vanilla marvel Phoenix, or 3S Chun. These characters often invalidate many other characters from being tournament viable and have few, if any match-ups which are worse than 5-5.
  • A: characters who are clearly tournament viable and stable, but don't warp the meta like S tier characters do and may actually have a few tough match-ups. Think +r Faust, UMvC3 Wolverine, or 3S Dudley.
  • B: characters who are on the edge of tournament viability. They have flaws and they have some legitimately tough match-ups (against S tier characters, probably), which may force you to counterpick sometimes. However, you can win with them with perseverance and being a specialist. Think UMvC3 Wesker, +r A.B.A., or 3S Oro.
  • C and below: characters who aren't really tournament viable. Think 3S Twelve, ST Cammy, UMvC3 She-hulk.
By definition, S tier can't contain that many characters. If everybody is warping the meta around them, nobody is warping the meta around them. Everybody can't have 7-3 match-ups against everybody else—it's mathematically impossible. A very balanced game may not even have an S tier (but the existence of an S tier almost implies the existence of a B tier). A perfectly balanced game would be literally everybody in A tier.

Tier lists made with those definitions in mind give me valuable information. If I look at a reputable tier list and there's a C tier, I know those characters should be ignored (who wants to lose at character select?). If a game has some characters in S tier but I'm not interested in picking any of the S tier characters myself, I will want to look at prospective characters' match-ups against the S tier characters when picking a main.

If a tier list puts 75% of the cast in S tier, it's logically impossible and it's useless. It's sugarcoating because it's giving every character a participation trophy instead of conveying useful information or contributing to meaningful discussion.
 
kiaaa

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TheOGB said:
lmfao Justin please https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1078879140?t=00h10m57s
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idk if that Sol ever played a Nago before.

Zissou said:
The different letters are supposed to mean something. There's probably no single definition that would please everybody, but here's my attempt:
  • S: characters who are so good the meta warps around them. Think ST Sagat or Claw, vanilla marvel Phoenix, or 3S Chun. These characters often invalidate many other characters from being tournament viable and have few, if any match-ups which are worse than 5-5.
  • A: characters who are clearly tournament viable and stable, but don't warp the meta like S tier characters do and may actually have a few tough match-ups. Think +r Faust, UMvC3 Wolverine, or 3S Dudley.
  • B: characters who are on the edge of tournament viability. They have flaws and they have some legitimately tough match-ups (against S tier characters, probably), which may force you to counterpick sometimes. However, you can win with them with perseverance and being a specialist. Think UMvC3 Wesker, +r A.B.A., or 3S Oro.
  • C and below: characters who aren't really tournament viable. Think 3S Twelve, ST Cammy, UMvC3 She-hulk.
By definition, S tier can't contain that many characters. If everybody is warping the meta around them, nobody is warping the meta around them. Everybody can't have 7-3 match-ups against everybody else—it's mathematically impossible. A very balanced game may not even have an S tier (but the existence of an S tier almost implies the existence of a B tier). A perfectly balanced game would be literally everybody in A tier.

Tier lists made with those definitions in mind give me valuable information. If I look at a reputable tier list and there's a C tier, I know those characters should be ignored (who wants to lose at character select?). If a game has some characters in S tier but I'm not interested in picking any of the S tier characters myself, I will want to look at prospective characters' match-ups against the S tier characters when picking a main.

If a tier list puts 75% of the cast in S tier, it's logically impossible and it's useless. It's sugarcoating because it's giving every character a participation trophy instead of conveying useful information or contributing to meaningful discussion.
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Unless you're competing at a high level, you can win most matchups just by having better defense than the other person. There are no unplayable characters in Strive atm.
 
Ravenwraith

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Started at floor 5, floating around floor 7-8. MIght be because it's still early/I'm still low on the ladder but it feels like people come into this game with "one" gameplan and I just have to be patient until I figure it out. Much easier to get wins than in...any other ladder I've played in so far? Except for maybe DBF.

They don't adapt further once I start exposing them. Maybe the high damage/short rounds isn't giving them time?
 
Zissou

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kiaaa said:
Unless you're competing at a high level, you can win most matchups just by having better defense than the other person. There are no unplayable characters in Strive atm.
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I think the tier list which I most agree with is Alioune's, which only goes as low as B tier (so by definition, I agree that all characters are viable).
 
kiaaa

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Joshwraith said:
Started at floor 5, floating around floor 7-8. MIght be because it's still early/I'm still low on the ladder but it feels like people come into this game with "one" gameplan and I just have to be patient until I figure it out. Much easier to get wins than in...any other ladder I've played in so far? Except for maybe DBF.

They don't adapt further once I start exposing them. Maybe the high damage/short rounds isn't giving them time?
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I didn't think anyone was actually decent at the game until floor 10 and that only lasted so long. If you get some matchup knowledge under your belt and learn when to block and when to take your turn, stuff under celestial gets pretty easy.


Zissou said:
I think the tier list which I most agree with is Alioune's, which only goes as low as B tier (so by definition, I agree that all characters are viable).
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fair enough.
 
The Turbanator

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Just had probably my second or third softlock from somebody taking my battle station while I was in training. This is definitely a well-thought out and well-implemented lobby.
 
Astral

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I just watched the team exhibition finally and Daru looked like he was going through some kind of top tier Arcade mode with May serving appropriately as the final boss lol.
 
The Turbanator

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The Turbanator said:
Just had probably my second or third softlock from somebody taking my battle station while I was in training. This is definitely a well-thought out and well-implemented lobby.
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+1 just now lmfao. If you're in training mode and your matchmaking no longer pings "looking for match" or "matching with opponent" and going into standby doesn't change anything, do not go to the lobby, go to the main menu or else you'll have to ALT+F4.
 
lucebuce

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I always find these full RISC clips to be so unrealistic.

Am I expected to believe a Chipp player will just sit still and BLOCK for that long?
 

fr0st

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Finally made VIP

Got lucky and this guy just couldn't block millia mix

Also felt bad when I kicked a person off when they only needed 3 more wins and I was VIP already lol
 
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