Pretty much this. The man chews up every scene.I don't think either of those look better personally. Dafoe just nails the character so I preferred the no mask by far. If it was another actor, mask. Dafoe, let him shine.
actors don't like hiding their facesI actually don't really understand why Hollywood, atleast for certain kinds of characters, doesn't think to use masks more. They act like faces are paramount to enjoying a character, and I don't think they are. At the very least, you could definitely have mitigate some of the lost expression by emphasizing body language. And it would probably save on actors too. A lot of actors charge stupid high rates, so there is an implied need to use their face, but to me that's more of a justification to find a more obscure or up and coming actor whose more willing to act through body language to get the job done.
+117sure it would have been okay
but when your actor already has a goblin face you fuckin use it
especially when that actor is willem
a 20 year old mistake finally rectified
The mask honestly looks really out of place with the suit redesign. Imo, it just further makes it clear that they made the right move getting rid of it. And they did it in a pretty appropriate way in the film. I really enjoyed that we got one more scene of Norman talking to the Goblin through the mask, before smashing it.So No Way Home had the Goblin not use a mask cuz it allowed for Willem Dafoe to be more expressive. However, what if he had a mask like these:
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I was wondering, do you think this could have worked
Because in live action masks are more effective when trying to maintain mystery or conceal an identity from the audience. The audience enjoys all the unspoken language communicated through facial expressions.I actually don't really understand why Hollywood, atleast for certain kinds of characters, doesn't think to use masks more. They act like faces are paramount to enjoying a character, and I don't think they are. At the very least, you could definitely have mitigate some of the lost expression by emphasizing body language. And it would probably save on actors too. A lot of actors charge stupid high rates, so there is an implied need to use their face, but to me that's more of a justification to find a more obscure or up and coming actor whose more willing to act through body language to get the job done.
sure it would have been okay
but when your actor already has a goblin face you fuckin use it
especially when that actor is willem
a 20 year old mistake finally rectified
I honestly think we will never see that or Doc Ock after No Way Home to be honest.When they eventually introduce an MCU proper Green Goblin, I'd love to see a comic-accurate mask and outfit.
But for Dafoe? Nah, I want to see his face in this movie.
Yeah, man, I know. It's no mystery.Because in live action masks are more effective when trying to maintain mystery or conceal an identity from the audience. The audience enjoys all the unspoken language communicated through facial expressions.
Did you think as to why they always went for a shot inside the helmet when Tony Stark had his Iron Man suit fully on?
When they eventually introduce an MCU proper Green Goblin, I'd love to see a comic-accurate mask and outfit.
But for Dafoe? Nah, I want to see his face in this movie.
Curious what they'll do for Doctor Doom tbh.Yeah, man, I know. It's no mystery.
I'm just saying that I'd like to see an attempt to act through masks and body language. It can be another valid avenue of acting. But everyone always defaults to prioritizing facial expressions for various reasons and I think it's a missed opportunity.
I mean, you've got Darth Vader, but again, he's supposed to be a mysterious faceless villain.Yeah, man, I know. It's no mystery.
I'm just saying that I'd like to see an attempt to act through masks and body language. It can be another valid avenue of acting. But everyone always defaults to prioritizing facial expressions for various reasons and I think it's a missed opportunity.
I honestly think we will never see that or Doc Ock after No Way Home to be honest.
But I think would actually be kind of cool though was to have Dafoe paint his face green after he became the goblin again. Much like Norman would do in the comics when he was the Iron Patriot.
I don't think we're going to get an MCU native Green Goblin. Or a Doc Ock. Or any of the villains used in NWH. They don't want to repeat themselves like that.
Will we see a Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin film again? Sure. But we'll probably have to wait for the next version of Peter Parker after Tom Holland.
Lmao facial expressions are the pillar of human interactionI actually don't really understand why Hollywood, atleast for certain kinds of characters, doesn't think to use masks more. They act like faces are paramount to enjoying a character, and I don't think they are. At the very least, you could definitely have mitigate some of the lost expression by emphasizing body language. And it would probably save on actors too. A lot of actors charge stupid high rates, so there is an implied need to use their face, but to me that's more of a justification to find a more obscure or up and coming actor whose more willing to act through body language to get the job done.
Not really. I mean, I grew up at a time when Darth Vader's entire history, childhood, sand hatred, etc, was known, but the Original Trilogy never played up his mystery, it built up his rage, remorse, and ominousness. There is no mystery to him in the first movie, there is no real mystery to him in the second because the entire twist comes from Luke's end, it's not like Vader, and the only mystery in the third is whehter there is enough good in him for Luke to turn him against the emperor.I mean, you've got Darth Vader, but again, he's supposed to be a mysterious faceless villain.
You both might be right but I do think we'll eventually see at least one of them in the MCU.
But I mean, I don't expect it for quite some time. Like, at least post-college trilogy if that's the next plan.
Not really. I mean, I grew up at a time when Darth Vader's entire history, childhood, sand hatred, etc, was known, but the Original Trilogy never played up his mystery, it built up his rage, remorse, and ominousness. There is no mystery to him in the first movie, there is no real mystery to him in the second because the entire twist comes from Luke's end, it's not like Vader, and the only mystery in the third is whehter there is enough good in him for Luke to turn him against the emperor.
Which is why I think this kind of acting is underrated. Vader isn't a mysterious villain in the slightest, and he works just fine. So, what other avenues of emoting are possible with body language but no face. I think it's worth exploring, but it would require Hollywood to take a risk, and we know they aren't wont to do that.
I wouldn't call Vader stoic in the first movie. Second and third, moreso, yes, but this is his first scene ever given.It seems to work more for stoic characters like Mandalorian and Vader, but not so much for more manic villains like Goblin.
I honestly think after the next batch of movies that Holland is done. They'll bring in Miles Morales after that.
There was no mystery with Darth Vader for you precisely because you knew his entire history.Not really. I mean, I grew up at a time when Darth Vader's entire history, childhood, sand hatred, etc, was known, but the Original Trilogy never played up his mystery, it built up his rage, remorse, and ominousness. There is no mystery to him in the first movie, there is no real mystery to him in the second because the entire twist comes from Luke's end, it's not like Vader, and the only mystery in the third is whehter there is enough good in him for Luke to turn him against the emperor.
Which is why I think this kind of acting is underrated. Vader isn't a mysterious villain in the slightest, and he works just fine. So, what other avenues of emoting are possible with body language but no face. I think it's worth exploring, but it would require Hollywood to take a risk, and we know they aren't wont to do that.
Oh, I definitely don't agree with that. Or rather, I don't think they'll replace Peter with Miles. If Holland is done after a potential college trilogy, I think this is a character they'll recast.
They can't always just kill off a character when the actor is done and Feige has mentioned in the past that they would "James Bond it" with characters when needed.
We'll get Miles but I don't think they take the Ultimate route and kill Peter. I actually think that Feige and Marvel Studios want to keep Peter in the MCU as a true constant from high school to college to post-college and beyond.
No, wondering what a characters backstory independently from the story at hand is something else.There was no mystery with Darth Vader for you precisely because you knew his entire history.
I wouldn't call Vader stoic in the first movie. Second and third, moreso, yes, but this is his first scene ever given.
He pissed. He's generally expressive through his vocals through the film imo.
Also, it can be really, really funny.
I guess a valid interpretation, but I honestly just don't see Vader as particular stoic in the first film. His body language or voice acting in is indicative of what he's thinking or feeling, and I don't get the sense that he holds anything back. But that's just me.I suppose with Vadar it's more the "trying to look stoic while failing at that and flying into explosive rages" dynamic, where he works better when you can't see the rage building until he's already choking a guy.