Saucycarpdog

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Florida Becomes Newest State To Propose Loosened Child Labor Laws: What To Know

If the bills go into effect, they would allow teenagers to work construction jobs, extend the hours teenagers can work a week and potentially eliminate work breaks for 16- and 17-year-olds.
Two bills that could loosen child labor laws are moving through the Florida legislature, making it easier for teens to work longer hours in more dangerous jobs, as the state battles a labor shortage which some critics say is made worse by a crackdown on undocumented immigrant workers.

A Florida bill that was passed by a state senate committee Wednesday could allow 16- and 17-year-olds to work on construction projects in residential areas, as long as the projects are lower than six feet, a revision from the original text that sought to allow the teens to work on roofs.

A separate bill called Employment and Curfew of Minors is moving through the state house legislature committee, and intends to allow 16- and 17-year-olds to work up to 40 hours a week (30 is the current law), even when school is in session.

The latter bill, introduced by Republican state Rep. Linda Chaney, would force 16- and 17-year-olds to be given the same amount of breaks as adults — and employers are not required under Florida law to give employees 18 and older paid or unpaid breaks — a change to the current law which requires 30 minute breaks every four hours. Minors who are 16- and 17-years-old who aren't enrolled in school or are enrolled in homeschool or virtual programs would be allowed to work during school hours if Chaney's bill becomes a law.
Non-partisan organization Florida Policy Institute issued a letter signed by around 100 other advocacy groups urging lawmakers to reject the child labor bills introduced into the legislature. The group said "overworking teens and denying them breaks" is not the answer to labor shortages that have affected industries like construction and hospitality.

Democratic state Rep. Anna Eskimi criticized the "hypocrisy" of Florida Republicans, saying they "don't think teens can handle learning about sexuality and gender identity—but [are] happy to stick them on the graveyard shift at a 7-Eleven, even if they have an exam the next day."

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) accused Republicans Wednesday of preferring lenient child labor laws over allowing "immigrants into their community" to work during job shortages.

At least 10 states have proposed bills to loosen child labor laws between 2021 and 2023, according to a report by the Economic Policy Institute. Youth labor force participation has been declining for 20 years as more minors are in favor of pursuing education, causing lawmakers to respond with more lenient labor legislation, according to the report.

After Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds passed a law in May 2023 rolling back child labor restrictions, the Department of Labor sent Iowa lawmakers a letter stating some of the regulations—like allowing 16- and 17-year-olds to operate dangerous power-driven machines and work in demolition—were "inconsistent" with federal law.

Wisconsin lawmakers proposed legislation in 2023 that would no longer require 14- and 15-year-olds to obtain a work permit or parental permission to work. New Hampshire passed a bill in 2022 extending the hours teenagers could work, and lowering the age minors could bus tables where alcohol was served to 14.
 

B-Dubs

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We really are just speed running the inter-war period aren't we? Jesus
 
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Soon they'll be put to work building bombs and war planes. Toss them in the mines, their young lungs are naturally resilient to the coal dust, or some such bullshit.
 

Tavernade

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"Oh is the cost of living too much? Now your child can drop out of school to help with bills"

Ahh, the classic 1800s poverty staple "we get paid so little we will literally starve if don't get income from our kids."

And that level of poverty definitely went well and didn't lead to any uprisings at all. Not even one. Certainly not hundreds.

But I'm sure the same Republicans who want to let 16 year olds use power tools for forty hours a week with no breaks think the drag shows are bad for children and Pokémon is turning them to Satan.
 

boontobias

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Instead of complaining about no living wages, have your children give up their lives for wages.
 

entremet

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A lot of states (especially red states) have huge worker shortages rn. Republicans want to keep labor cheap, so their solution is to get more children working.
A lot self inflicted. Florida passed a very restrictive immigration work law that basically hurt their agricultural industry. It won't recover.
 

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Apprenticeship program, Florida circa 2027.
 

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If we're going to speed run turning this country into mid-20th century America, at least bring back Smurfberry Cereal so I have something tasty to eat for my last meal while a mob of neighbors is burning down my house for having a pride flag and a half Jewish wife.
 

entremet

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I don't think this will work at all en masse. The demographics are looking bad unless we increase immigration.

Robotics are a better investment honestly.
 

Vourlis

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My first job was working as an assistant on a construction site when I was 14. Ain't exclusive to Florida or even spooky bad red states.

Did about 2 weeks of that before getting out though. No thanks!
 

Zombegoast

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A lot of states (especially red states) have huge worker shortages rn. Republicans want to keep labor cheap, so their solution is to get more children working.


Disney already has the College Program and in return work less hours, earn below minimum wage and have no Union and even get the roamer where they switch job positions in the middle of the day. But hey Disney provide them housing
 

Violence Jack

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The GOP taking away childhoods to speed run them having adult responsibilities is on par for them.
 

elenarie

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If we're going to speed run turning this country into mid-20th century America, at least bring back Smurfberry Cereal so I have something tasty to eat for my last meal while a mob of neighbors is burning down my house for having a pride flag and a half Jewish wife.

Should just skip that and speedrun back to companies adding sawdust into marmalade like the good old industrial ages.
 

Tuppen

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Had to look up what the rules for 16 year olds are in Sweden. It turns out that they're allowed to work 40 hours as long as it doesn't interfere with their school work. How that is supposed to be checked is pretty unclear.
 

Booshka

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I don't think this will work at all en masse. The demographics are looking bad unless we increase immigration.

Robotics are a better investment honestly.
Need less bullshit jobs, more immigrants (that become citizens asap) and robots to reduce labor not add on top of it. These kinda laws just show how fucked our relationship to labor is, and it's more acute in Red states with brain drain and prohibitive laws towards maternal health and immigration.

The contradictions continue to heighten.
 

PAFenix

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the state battles a labor shortage which some critics say is made worse by a crackdown on undocumented immigrant workers.

If the concern is over "the illegals" then we should be doing better at making immigrants "legal" and work on overhauling the path to citizenship.
 

entremet

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Need less bullshit jobs, more immigrants (that become citizens asap) and robots to reduce labor not add on top of it. These kinda laws just show how fucked our relationship to labor is, and it's more acute in Red states with brain drain and prohibitive laws towards maternal health and immigration.

The contradictions continue to heighten.
Weirdly enough this is mostly targeting migrant kids already. Lots of investigations have been found that many of these factories and meat processing plants employ migrant kids.
 

Booshka

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Weirdly enough this is mostly targeting migrant kids already. Lots of investigations have been found that many of these factories and meat processing plants employ migrant kids.
They're the easiest to exploit because other systems aren't tracking them as well. Form of underground exploited labor that always occurs in this country.
 

Tagovailoa

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This is also a way to indirectly attack school funding. If these students get jobs and are able to leave school, the funding that would come with them in many cases is also gone too. This is truly sinister.
 

j7vikes

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Good for Florida. I know some ten year olds that need to get off the tablet and into the factory.

Bout time they pulled themselves up by the boot straps.
 

haziq

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I guess Desantis is realizing trust since he won't be able to fuck up America, he'll at least be able to continue to fuck up Florida exclusively.
 

DarkJ

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We have a labor shortage what should we do?

Raise wages to attract people like the free market demands? No.
Allow these jobs to disappear like the free market demands? No.
Allow immigrants to come get a start with undesirable jobs? No.
Create a system that keeps average people poor and rollback child labor laws so their only recourse is putting their kid in the mines? 100%.

Hey parents its not enough your tax dollars subsidize big business. Now we are literally demanding your first born.
 

RiOrius

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If the concern is over "the illegals" then we should be doing better at making immigrants "legal" and work on overhauling the path to citizenship.

That would require Democrats and Republicans to cooperate at the federal level. And Republicans have no interest in doing that. They don't want to fix problems, especially in an election year.

Even after the election, though, there's no way the Dems get 60 Senators, and "we've gotta secure our border!" is one of the only talking points the GOP has left. No way they're going to give that up and actually make real progress solving the problem.